He is a centre half. period. All his major cock-ups have been done at right-back where his positioning sense and reading of the game just falls apart.
Partner him with Rio.
Partner him with Rio.
Gary Neville at RB? No Way!
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sorry, dont agree. Yes, he made a major cock-up on Saturday. I still believe though that hes consistently one of our best defenders in an unsung way. He's vocal and a good organiser. The main thing we would lose though if he wasnt RB is the almost telepathic understanding him and Beckham have on the right flank when they play together.
Analyse mistakes, sure, but look at the bigger picture.
Analyse mistakes, sure, but look at the bigger picture.
You obviously weren't watching his performances at RB closely enough. Especially last season and the present one - major blunders which have to do with a poor reading of the game and he lacks the lightning pace to make up for it unlike silvestre.
At centre half, he is a lot more assured and his organizational skills can be brought forth to the max.
At centre half, he is a lot more assured and his organizational skills can be brought forth to the max.
he had was good at RB last season
The problem is lchk is that we need a good flexible fullback as it is. If you want Gary to play as a centre back we would then have 6 of them, one full back in Silvestre, and Phil Neville. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
I have always preferred him at CB. He has good pace and his covering is good.
With Rio he would be good. Better than Larry at the moment. At least GNev would mark players.
With Rio he would be good. Better than Larry at the moment. At least GNev would mark players.
plus... i like the way he overlaps becks for crosses.. he and beckham work well in tandem.
A central back role requires More responsability than that of a right back.
So if he do silly mistakes on the right believe me he will be more rubbish in the heart of the defense
So if he do silly mistakes on the right believe me he will be more rubbish in the heart of the defense
Hes a great right back. Playing him at cb isnt going to change a hapit for concentration lapses, if anything it would expose it more.
Murt, I'm not being funny, but is there anyone currently playing regularly for United who you don't consider to be great?
His height will be a big hinder for him to play in centre. Anyway we already have O'shea and Wes so there is no reason why we need to play Gary there.
When was the last time Gary made a mistake like Saturday's?
It was against Liverpool at OT (volleyball incident). This to me suggests that Gary is more consistent than he is given credit for. This defeat will hurt Gary more than anyone, did you see his face in the tunnel? He understands how each and every one of us feels this morning, he is a true red after-all.
The defensive problem at United right now IMO is that we lack a solid utility player.
Gaz although can play both RB and CB, he's not exactly flexible to do both positions very effectively. Many complain he hasn't been a good RB, some say he doesn't have enough quality to be a CB.
Phil lacks all quality, according to many posters. I tend to agree, although he is our only utility player - who has proven crucial at times like this when both Keane and Butt are out.
Silvestre, although prefers to play CB, there's clearly no space for him there as there are many in the team that are better than him in that position. Many also complain about his ability at left back.
O'Shea, though can play on the right side, and was played on the left, is not flexible enough. Clearly he was brought up to play only at CB.
Rio, no better place for him than in CB.
Blanc, someone suggested in another thread to put Blanc in CM. i think that's sort of rubbish.
Brown, great potential this one, but isn't strong enough to play either CB or RB full time just yet.
Overall, i think we need a solid utility player who can rotate around and do different things properly. a straight LB won't do the job IMO.
Maybe someone like Chivu has this quality. Just a thought. Although with limited knowledge about players, i happen to know that Kevin Nolan can play 6 positions on the field.. maybe he could be a quick fix answer to our bench.
Gaz although can play both RB and CB, he's not exactly flexible to do both positions very effectively. Many complain he hasn't been a good RB, some say he doesn't have enough quality to be a CB.
Phil lacks all quality, according to many posters. I tend to agree, although he is our only utility player - who has proven crucial at times like this when both Keane and Butt are out.
Silvestre, although prefers to play CB, there's clearly no space for him there as there are many in the team that are better than him in that position. Many also complain about his ability at left back.
O'Shea, though can play on the right side, and was played on the left, is not flexible enough. Clearly he was brought up to play only at CB.
Rio, no better place for him than in CB.
Blanc, someone suggested in another thread to put Blanc in CM. i think that's sort of rubbish.
Brown, great potential this one, but isn't strong enough to play either CB or RB full time just yet.
Overall, i think we need a solid utility player who can rotate around and do different things properly. a straight LB won't do the job IMO.
Maybe someone like Chivu has this quality. Just a thought. Although with limited knowledge about players, i happen to know that Kevin Nolan can play 6 positions on the field.. maybe he could be a quick fix answer to our bench.
Perhaps our defenders suffered a bit from having no notable ball-winning midfielders in front of them. Lets not get at the defenders for one bad game, our lack of goals has been a bigger problem all season.
I think he is the best for this position for now, and he is one of the most consistent defenders in the squad. About the 'telepathy' he has with Becks though, nowadays it is rarely observed. However on the other hand, Silvestre seems to have developed quite a good understanding with Giggs down the left.
Originally posted by lchk:
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Great at RB?
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Did you watch last Sat's derby with your blinkered specs on?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Name a more consistent right back inthe premiership over the last 6 years?
He played poorly on Saturday, even Maradona had off days.
Btw your talking about Gary Neville not being brilliant at CB. Name a couple of games where he performed great at cb because ill name 2 where he didnt. At Anfield last season and in the West Ham game @ home.
Looks like your talking through your anus,,,, as usual<img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />
Originally posted by Murt:
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Name a more consistent right back inthe premiership over the last 6 years?
He played poorly on Saturday, even Maradona had off days.
Btw your talking about Gary Neville not being brilliant at CB. Name a couple of games where he performed great at cb because ill name 2 where he didnt. At Anfield last season and in the West Ham game @ home.
Looks like your talking through your anus,,,, as usual
So is he a better centre half than a right back?
Or have you noticed how he has played at RB starting from last season until now?
Without your blinkered specs that is.
Originally posted by Murt:
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Well me, Sven Göran Eriksson and Sir Alex Ferguson seem to think so. But youd probably know better than the three of us.
Point out the games where he played well in the middle, as it stands im winning 2:0.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps I should point out how many matches Gary has screwed up at RB?
I'm sure it's more than your two
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>Perhaps I should point out how many matches Gary has screwed up at RB?
I'm sure it's more than your two
How many times have you seen him play at CB, never judging by the way your tapdancing around questions, as usual.
Btw didnt you want rid of Gary Neville just a few months ago?
Originally posted by Murt:
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How many times have you seen him play at CB, never judging by the way your tapdancing around questions, as usual.
Btw didnt you want rid of Gary Neville just a few months ago?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Like the way you tapdance around mine? Or to put it plainly, maybe I think it's a stupid question which doesn't deserve an answer. Of course it's all a matter of perception.
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>Like the way you tapdance around mine? Or to put it plainly, maybe I think it's a stupid question which doesn't deserve an answer. Of course it's all a matter of perception.
Talking bull as usual and nothing to back it up with.
Your saying Gary Neville is a great CB and a useless RB, im just asking why do you think this?
maybe someone can help me here ... yes gary neville screwed up but was anyone shouting at him telling him what to do? living in canada now i only see the games on the telly but apart from gary and john o'shea (who wasnt on the field)it doesnt seem the defence talks to one another. Not picking on the french but i rarely see BArthez move his lips and silvestre even less. Maybe someone whos close enough to the field can confirm or deny what i suspect. thanks.
I think Gary Neville has been a great RB for us over the years.
But he did cock-up up big-time on Saturday. Like everyone in the team, he's now fighting for his place. The problem is that his performances over the last season or so have been at a level...the quality of the premiership has improved. If the previously solid players are starting to make howlers, then they'll fail to keep their place.
Gary needs to prove he's a better RB than Wes Brown, John O'Shea, or even Phil Neville. My guess is Fergie is giving no free rides for the rest of the season, and no places based on history rather than current performance.
But he did cock-up up big-time on Saturday. Like everyone in the team, he's now fighting for his place. The problem is that his performances over the last season or so have been at a level...the quality of the premiership has improved. If the previously solid players are starting to make howlers, then they'll fail to keep their place.
Gary needs to prove he's a better RB than Wes Brown, John O'Shea, or even Phil Neville. My guess is Fergie is giving no free rides for the rest of the season, and no places based on history rather than current performance.