He looked great in pretty much every game he came on, he's just "unlucky" that Aguero is in such form.
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Time for a cheeky bid?
You don't say Pep is ruining anyone here.
Not sure how you can say Pep is ruining either of these players, especially not Sané, who might be the best direct winger in the Premier League already? (I say "direct" because Salah and Hazard are both inverted wingers, or like to play off the shoulder).
But having said that, Jesus is in a critical and confusing stage of his career. He's going to have to decide what type of striker he is, and he's going to have to decide pretty soon. He looks like an expert poacher one week but will then regularly find himself offside or struggle to finish a simple chance. Then there are games where he looks like a brilliant ball-carrier, but he has a tendency to go down easy or just get shrugged off the ball. He has all the attributes to be a genuinely world class player, but he's running out of time to grow into one.
Iheanacho's ceiling was always lower than Jesus', and the fact that Jesus knows Pep's system and plays it well shows that he's maturing into a good striker at the very least, but we've had this before and we need to be wary. When Iheanacho broke out on that US tour in 2014, he had a great first touch and real confidence in possession. Come the winter of 2017, he failed to win a header on the halfway line at Leicester, ten seconds later we were 1-0 down, and Iheanacho never started another game for the club.
I doubt Jesus' case will be that extreme, but what happened to Iheanacho was caused by him never quite pinning down an identity as a striker. He started his City youth career as something of an advanced-#10-cum-striker, but look at the video below and you'll see that his true instincts were to be a poacher. That side of his game improved but his ability to hold onto the ball completely collapsed. Hoping this won't happen to Jesus but there is a chance it might.
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Remember when Pep ruined Agüero?
He should be playing in a similar way Lucas is playing off Kane. I think he's really talented, that double dribble he had, that lead to a penalty(?) claim against Liverpool is what he was a master of doing, like in the 2015 U20 world cup where I thought he was heads and shoulders the best player in that tournament.
The problem is that he's playing in that Pep system where the front players always has to take a fall for the system.
Has to be one of the most overrated players around. Misses so many sitters and his overall play isn't particularly good either.
I think he's suffering from a lack of confidence and not being in the team is making it worse. In reality he has 7 goals in 12 starts this season. He's not a WC player by any stretch but he's not terrible either.
Next R9 I heard
Brazilian Iheanacho
Where'd you hear that? Must have been talking to his mother...
Best youngster since Messi according to Danny Murphy.
That aged well.
That aged well.
Probably on here where rival signings get hyped up beyond belief.
Goal machine.. 
May be in a sulk due to contact negotiations not going his way. He & Sterling both chose to start negotiations after the WC to leverage better deals. They both had poor tournaments. On negotiation though Sterling got close to what he asked for whereas Jesus only received a modest increase.
Still on for 15 goals this season which isn't a bad return considering he's a second striker who's struggled for form.
It’s still a good return, I’d say. I rate him quite a bit, and people forget how young he still is.
For a side who have scored 87 goals in 32 games, it’s not really. I don’t particularly rate him. Think he’s the least talented by some distance in City’s crop of star studded attackers.
I don’t rate him that high. Whenever I’ve watched him, he’s hardly ever impressed.
Bit of a Fox in the box, but even then, he’s not a lethal finisher.
Bit of a Fox in the box, but even then, he’s not a lethal finisher.
He was fairly cheap with all the crazy fees going around, at worst he'll be a reliable rotation option for them for quite a while.
Where are the folks who were sad when Aguero got injured last year, thought he won't fit in Guardiola's system? You don't need system when one player is significantly better than others.
He is also very unlikeable guy, these Brazilian players are either very likeable or very unlikeable players for some reason, at least for me.
He is also very unlikeable guy, these Brazilian players are either very likeable or very unlikeable players for some reason, at least for me.
Started only 8/33 league games. His goal ratio is still very high, but I hope he can leave to an Inter or a Spurs so he can play more often and develop. I thought he was a great talent in U20 world cup back in 2015. Pep really destroys center forwards huh.
Pep doesn't like forwards or defenders, he wants them to be midfielders. Feck, he even wants his goalkeeper to be able to play it out.
Can I remind you again that many said he fits their system better than Aguero? Even Pep thought the same 
In a 4-3-3 we play with one striker. Jesus is unlucky enough to be competing for one starting position against one of the greatest striker's in PL history, who is leading the scoring charts this season. I don't really see that you can criticise Guardiola too much for this one. If Mendy had been fit this season, we'd likely have played 3-5-2 more often, which would've given more opportunity for Aguero and Jesus to start together. But he hasn't, so 4-3-3 has been the order of the day.
It will be interesting to see with Jesus though. Aguero probably has one more season in him, so if he can stay patient for a little bit longer then he'll be in prime position to take over.
Aguero and Lewandowski haven't done too badly.
Yeah and he benched Lewandowski and he made him put him back on the line up
Was never the case.
The reason why Aguero and Sterling play over Jesus and Sane is not related so much to productivity (Sane has a better goals/assists to played minutes ratio than Sterling) but to the fact that Aguero and Sterling are better at not giving possession away which is quite important for Guardiola's system. Latest example: Jesus lost the ball for Palace goal recently.
That said, it's not a bad season for Jesus, he will probably hit 20 goals in all compets for 1st time in his career and is only 22. Aguero's been in sensational form since January.
That said, it's not a bad season for Jesus, he will probably hit 20 goals in all compets for 1st time in his career and is only 22. Aguero's been in sensational form since January.
Out of all the clubs you could have chosen you've picked two where Jesus wouldn't even start anyway. Jesus has suffered from his own drop off in form and Aguero's rebirth under Pep, which doesn't really tally with your last sentence.
Can I remind you again that many said he fits their system better than Aguero? Even Pep thought the same
Jesus is a more natural fit for Pep's system, that's never really been in question. Aguero's experience, his far superior quality and his ability to adapt are the reasons he's become undroppable this season and meant Jesus is only getting games purely when we can afford to rest Aguero.
Of course he is better fit, but that doesn't mean Aguero is still twice the player and brings far more even if he walks entire game.
Aguero hardly changed his game, every player changes some details in his game but Aguero's main attribute and style of play remained the same, which is more than enough to make him better player than Jesus in any system in football.
It's like when people were saying that Ronaldo wouldn't fit in Barca's system ahead of Pedro.
A swap between Icardi and Jesus would be fantastic, I'd love to see Lautaro Martinez-Gabriel Jesus playing together.
Icardi is useless for Pep
Of course he is better fit, but that doesn't mean Aguero is still twice the player and brings far more even if he walks entire game.
Aguero hardly changed his game, every player changes some details in his game but Aguero's main attribute and style of play remained the same, which is more than enough to make him better player than Jesus in any system in football.
It's like when people were saying that Ronaldo wouldn't fit in Barca's system ahead of Pedro.
Aguero now runs harder, press the defenders more than he used to do in Peps first season
Aguero was always a good marksman but he added the running, passing and pressing to his game in the past 2 seasons
Before Pep, Aguero mainly played in a 2 striker formation and to reform him to a lone striker and still get him to retain his marksman skills
I'd love Icardi to go to City and bring all his drama with him
Phenomenal copa america by him. He was not boxed into a role by Guardiola and showed his dribbling and explosive runs he was showing before City.
Some compared him to Chicharito here.. Hah..
Some compared him to Chicharito here.. Hah..
Which one is worse?
1st one is a narrow miss but goalkeeper guesses right way.
2nd one he disguises it better but misses it wider than the first.
2nd is a worse miss.