[RedorDead21]

I thought EtH liked Fred why doesn’t he feature much these days?

 

[monkfish]

Played great today. Zero excuse for him not to start in the final.

 

[Dominos]

Fred out, Rabiot in?

Have to remember Mctominay is even more likely to leave than Fred is, Mctom barely gets any minutes.

So we'll need 2 midfielders this summer. Personally hope we manage to ship out VDB and make it 3.

 

[Red in STL]

I don't think he has had a better season than Eriksen. Eriksen played a lot better before his injury. Fred has been up and down, but his good games have been really good. Fred won't start the final. You all know it.

Fred will almost certainly start against City, the team needs his energy

 

[bosnian_red]

Must start in the cup final.

 

[El Jefe]

Hopefully he starts the cup final and plays the game of his life which also happens to be his last as a United player.

 

[CloneMC16]

Fred will almost certainly start against City, the team needs his energy

I have thought that for many of our games and he never did. I would 100% start him, but I expect him to be on the bench.

 

[Borys]

Probably is the case, there’s been no news of an extension. Right call, but he has to be replaced. McTominay too.

If you are going to let him go, you better be upgrading in that area.

I'd would be a "right call" if he was first choice midfielder. But he's not, he's actually a very good squad player. If we let him go we better get someone who we can bring for the last 20-30' when we're struggling, because I don't see Eriksen being that guy.

I'd like him to stay unless we have 2 midfielders lined up. Even then, Fred has his uses as squad player.

Heavily underrated player because he was asked to play a role that never suited his game.

 

[Red in STL]

I have thought that for many of our games and he never did. I would 100% start him, but I expect him to be on the bench.

He's played 35 times - he's been used a lot to try and close games out, he's too inconsistent to be a regular starter but he's a useful player to come on

 

[Red in STL]

I'd would be a "right call" if he was first choice midfielder. But he's not, he's actually a very good squad player. If we let him go we better get someone who we can bring for the last 20-30' when we're struggling, because I don't see Eriksen being that guy.

I'd like him to stay unless we have 2 midfielders lined up. Even then, Fred has his uses as squad player.

I concur, he's under contract for next season and TBH if left after that on a free it wouldn't really matter because we'd not get much for selling him now

 

[11101]

He needs to play against City. Eriksen wouldn't see which way they went if he starts.

He's not perfect but he's the best we have in that area; see how we have gone to shit since Eriksen came back and Fred has been dropped. We need the energy.

 

[Borys]

I concur, he;s under contract for next season and TBH if left after that on a free it wouldn't really matter because we'd not get much for selling him now

We wouldn't get much but mostly because he has a year on his contract. That is why we can sign him up for another 3 years and even after one season I reckon we can get real money for him.

 

[Irwin99]

I certainly hope he plays in the cup final. I just cannot see where we get any energy for pressing without him in there.

 

[Yorkeontop]

He's been treated like that from the start. It was quite clear from early on ETH didn't fancy him.

It only felt very apparent to me within the last 2 odd months.

 

[CM]

Hope he starts ahead of Eriksen for the cup final. We'll get badly overrun if we don't have a bit of energy in midfield

 

[Oranges038]

It only felt very apparent to me within the last 2 odd months.

Best thing ETH did was remove Fred and McT from midfield as soon as he possibly could.

Now hopefully the next step is that they are removed form the club.

 

[ThinkTank@Cafe]

Fred is a brilliant player on his day but his consistency and reliability is not up to Utd standard

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

 

[Red in STL]

We wouldn't get much but mostly because he has a year on his contract. That is why we can sign him up for another 3 years and even after one season I reckon we can get real money for him.

No that's not gonna work, he is 30 you know!

 

[criticalanalysis]

Would swap for Palhinha but that's unlikely to happen so if they buy Fred, they could have a fecking pretty decent midfield trio with Pereira next season.

 

[city-puma]

He has one year extension option exercised by the club a few months ago. Why did everyone here kept saying he is gone?

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

He was our best player last year and a good season just now.

His problem has always been the brain brainfarts. But his midfield play has always been very good. Good amount of goals and assists this and last year along with crazy energy, tackles and interceptions.

Funny how this club gives contracts out to everyone except Fred and Herrera who actually earned one.

 

[jesperjaap]

Hopefully he starts the cup final and plays the game of his life which also happens to be his last as a United player.

Agree, I would start him over Eriksen for his energy for sure and its the kind of game he has the possibility of being a key player..or liability

But I think his career here should end. When you consider the huge fee we paid for him, he has been hugely underwhelming. Strange player as never been able to warm to him really, nor hate him at hte same time. But how long has he been here now and how often has he really performed, can remember two short periods where he has been really good, yet he seems to have escpaed a lot of criticism from fans and been valued, which always found strange personally as think he has been dreadful far too often, really its a surprise McFred have lasted this long and also been given so much praise from past managers and fans.....when for me the pundits are the ones who have got it right in this case, as neither have been anywhere good enough....its pure cringe to think oly 2/3 years ago large sections of this forum though McTominay was better than Rice....more in the case of Rice not being very good,nuts though

 

[Sylar]

He had a good game overall and his drive into the box lead to the first goal and his pass for the second was beautiful

I also think he's had a decent season. His lows have been really really bad but he's had some great moments too Including scoring v Barca and thought he did well v city at old Trafford too.

 

[Mr Smith]

Have him man-mark Rodri in the cup final.

 

[Red Shorts]

Some of the comments in the match thread are very unfair. People ale like "where did he pull that performance from?", while he's been serving a nice level often this season. For whatever reason he's not been in ETH plans. I always argued we look more balanced side with him instead of Eriksen.

It's a wearing argument, isn't it. The guy has been putting in these games more often than not yet gets lambasted every time he puts a pass wrong.

 

[moodyred]

With a proper setup, especially with casemiro covering the midfield, Fred performs better as he drives forward and press high up. Without a proper setup, he can be like a headless chicken charging around in midfield. ETH had managed the bring the better side out of him.

 

[Red in STL]

Would swap for Palhinha but that's unlikely to happen so if they buy Fred, they could have a fecking pretty decent midfield trio with Pereira next season.

The Paulinha that's been booked 14 times this season?

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I thought EtH liked Fred why doesn’t he feature much these days?

Playing Fred is like coin tossed. You can only randomly either get head (9/10) or tail (1/10).

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I think it's time to move him on. He only has 1 year left in his contract. Time to rebuild the whole midfield, sell McFred and VDB.

 

[criticalanalysis]

The Paulinha that's been booked 14 times this season?

Not sure what's your point? Palhinha has been a defensive beast this season and I also think he's a decent passer of the ball too. He'd be a good Casemiro back up and also as a pair of a two although it's quite clear ETH doesn't like that sort of setup.

I like Fred and hope he stays because we need someone like him but the profile of Palhinha as a specialist is probably a 'better' swap considering he's younger too. Anyways it won't happen.

 

[Red in STL]

Not sure what's your point? Palhinha has been a defensive beast this season and I also think he's a decent passer of the ball too. He'd be a good Casemiro back up and also as a pair of a two although it's quite clear ETH doesn't like that sort of setup.

I like Fred and hope he stays because we need someone like him but the profile of Palhinha as a specialist is probably a 'better' swap considering he's younger too. Anyways it won't happen.

Some of the CAF has been moaning about Casemiro's disciplinary record, no way can we afford to have a back-up who's even worse!

 

[Red Shorts]

I think it's time to move him on. He only has 1 year left in his contract. Time to rebuild the whole midfield, sell McFred and VDB.

Explain in a sensible fashion how we can do that, whilst we have to think of other positions?

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Explain in a sensible fashion how we can do that, whilst we have to think of other positions?

Assume if what Orsntein reported is legit (which he is one of the most reliable journalist out there), then we can say ETH wants Mount to upgrade the midfield. For the second midfield is Rabiot is available for free. Signing these two is realistic and going to upgrade McFred and VDB.

What other positions are you referring to? Upgrading our midfield depth should be one of the priority IMO, it's actually in my top 3.

 

[Red in STL]

Assume if what Orsntein reported is legit (which he is one of the most reliable journalist out there), then we can say ETH wants Mount to upgrade the midfield. For the second midfield is Rabiot is available for free. Signing these two is realistic and going to upgrade McFred and VDB.

Gawd I hope not Mount, Rabiot not so adverse as long as his Mum stays away!

 

[Borys]

Best thing ETH did was remove Fred and McT from midfield as soon as he possibly could.

Now hopefully the next step is that they are removed form the club.

It's one thing getting them relegated to squad options, and another to get rid completely.
McTominay should be gone because he's kept mainly for his physical attributes (he's NOT a Casemiro backup) which hopefully we won't need next season. But getting rid of Fred makes sense only if we get a decent amount of money for him. Otherwise, it's worth keeping him IMO.

No that's not gonna work, he is 30 you know!

He's also one of a few players who can last 90' of intensive football. He'll be fine for another few years. He's also never injured. He is worth 5years contract for some clubs surely.

He has one year extension option exercised by the club a few months ago. Why did everyone here kept saying he is gone?

Because he's been getting silent treatment from Ten Hag. Even after some good performances he's been dropped as soon as Eriksen got back, and featured very little. There's also no talk over contract extension and I doubt we will run down his contract.
Safe to assume Erik made up his mind about a few players and they've been told to look for a club.

Agree, I would start him over Eriksen for his energy for sure and its the kind of game he has the possibility of being a key player..or liability

But I think his career here should end. When you consider the huge fee we paid for him, he has been hugely underwhelming. Strange player as never been able to warm to him really, nor hate him at hte same time. But how long has he been here now and how often has he really performed, can remember two short periods where he has been really good, yet he seems to have escpaed a lot of criticism from fans and been valued, which always found strange personally as think he has been dreadful far too often, really its a surprise McFred have lasted this long and also been given so much praise from past managers and fans.....when for me the pundits are the ones who have got it right in this case, as neither have been anywhere good enough....its pure cringe to think oly 2/3 years ago large sections of this forum though McTominay was better than Rice....more in the case of Rice not being very good,nuts though

Huge fee and hugely underwhelming? We paid 60m €, he's been a good servant for the last 4 years. He actually has the same number of goals contributions as Antony and he played 30% less football! He actually contributes to a goal every 180 minutes, that is a good return for any midfielder.

He escaped a lot of criticism? If you read through this thread you will see people are surprised by his high level like this never happened before. He's been criticized plenty, in fact our fans seem to remember only the bad stuff as he is the symbol of Ole era when we played dreadful footbal, BUT him and McTominay had to cover for Rashford, Greenwood and Martial doing ZERO defensive work.

Reading this thread and match day, I feel like people still judge him as first XI player. He's not good enough to be the main player = get rid. Fred is actually a perfect squad player, I bet he isn't on high wages, contributes in every area of the pitch, never complains, and always gives his best. I don't know if he deserves a new contract, depends on who we bring in.
Do you think we should get rid of Fred and rely on Eriksen to bring in for the last 20-30mins, for example in a game like yesterday? It's quite interesting how are we planning to use Christian next season by the way.

 

[Oranges038]

It's one thing getting them relegated to squad options, and another to get rid completely.
McTominay should be gone because he's kept mainly for his physical attributes (he's NOT a Casemiro backup) which hopefully we won't need next season. But getting rid of Fred makes sense only if we get a decent amount of money for him. Otherwise, it's worth keeping him IMO.

He's also one of a few players who can last 90' of intensive football. He'll be fine for another few years. He's also never injured. He is worth 5years contract for some clubs surely.

Because he's been getting silent treatment from Ten Hag. Even after some good performances he's been dropped as soon as Eriksen got back, and featured very little. There's also no talk over contract extension and I doubt we will run down his contract.
Safe to assume Erik made up his mind about a few players and they've been told to look for a club.

Huge fee and hugely underwhelming? We paid 60m €, he's been a good servant for the last 4 years. He actually has the same number of goals contributions as Antony and he played 30% less football! He actually contributes to a goal every 180 minutes, that is a good return for any midfielder.

He escaped a lot of criticism? If you read through this thread you will see people are surprised by his high level like this never happened before. He's been criticized plenty, in fact our fans seem to remember only the bad stuff as he is the symbol of Ole era when we played dreadful footbal, BUT him and McTominay had to cover for Rashford, Greenwood and Martial doing ZERO defensive work.

Reading this thread and match day, I feel like people still judge him as first XI player. He's not good enough to be the main player = get rid. Fred is actually a perfect squad player, I bet he isn't on high wages, contributes in every area of the pitch, never complains, and always gives his best. I don't know if he deserves a new contract, depends on who we bring in.
Do you think we should get rid of Fred and rely on Eriksen to bring in for the last 20-30mins, for example in a game like yesterday? It's quite interesting how are we planning to use Christian next season by the way.

He's not worth keeping at all, he should have been binned off years ago.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He’s an absolute enigma. He’s got the talent to do most things really well but his level oscillates far too much to be relied upon if you have big ambitions. Given that, I wouldn’t mind him being moved on but only if we sign high quality midfielders who are assured on the ball to replace him. Would be fine if he stayed too but again we need to ensure we have the possession based midfielders to make up, in the squad.

 

[Borys]

He's not worth keeping at all, he should have been binned off years ago.

You don't rate him at all, even after he contributed to 11 goals this season on top of all the defensive effort, and doing that as a fringe player?
Again - he is not good enough as a starter. But he is certainly good enough as a squad player.
Fred has better G+A/90' contribution (0,45) than Eriksen (0,36) and still he should be "binned". I understand he's not your favorite player but you must see he's doing really decent job?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Agree, I would start him over Eriksen for his energy for sure and its the kind of game he has the possibility of being a key player..or liability

But I think his career here should end. When you consider the huge fee we paid for him, he has been hugely underwhelming. Strange player as never been able to warm to him really, nor hate him at hte same time. But how long has he been here now and how often has he really performed, can remember two short periods where he has been really good, yet he seems to have escpaed a lot of criticism from fans and been valued, which always found strange personally as think he has been dreadful far too often, really its a surprise McFred have lasted this long and also been given so much praise from past managers and fans.....when for me the pundits are the ones who have got it right in this case, as neither have been anywhere good enough....its pure cringe to think oly 2/3 years ago large sections of this forum though McTominay was better than Rice....more in the case of Rice not being very good,nuts though

It’s a tough decision to make. On one hand players go past Eriksen easily and Fred is great at hassling and harrying. On the other, Eriksen is great at picking holes in defences on the break.