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Yesterday was almost a 'peak' Fred performance... an awful, wayward first half, sloppy and all over the place... and then a second half where he just did what he should do, which isn't 'think', just battle, close down, win back possession, carry the ball, and occasionally arrive late in the box. He was superb second half, he harrased their midfield, and was a key protecting player.

Very frustrating player. I hope he can use that second half as a blueprint. We will have to see.
 
I cannot fully agree. Yes he's become a bit of a whipping boy, but there's some valid basis to the stereotype. It's not just a perpetuated narrative.

For me, it's a statement of fact that cagey games don't suit Fred's skillset. His first touch, control and pass accuracy let him down when there's little space. He's no Eriksen, there's no shame in that. Because, when the game begins to open up and get stretched in the second half of games, he simply shines. Suddenly he is everywhere, supporting attacks and covering brilliantly in defence and exploiting all the open spaces. First half yesterday was very slow and cagey, he couldn't offer more than he did, he's an average midfielder in those conditions. Second half, spaces opened and he was filling them all brilliantly, becoming motm. That's just who Fred is.
Hes is no Eriksen but Eriksen is no Fred. Eriksen def better footballer without doubt but its 'horses for courses', and as you say, Fred used in the right way can be a game changer. This is so valuable given he appears to be happy to be a squad player.
 
Quickly becoming my favorite player. Because his flaws make him more human.
Lisandro for instance- he is like a machine. never puts a foot wrong. Yeah i like him like I like my car. Fred is like a pet who pisses on the floor one minute and licks your face seconds later.

:lol::lol:
 
Hes is no Eriksen but Eriksen is no Fred. Eriksen def better footballer without doubt but its 'horses for courses', and as you say, Fred used in the right way can be a game changer. This is so valuable given he appears to be happy to be a squad player.
He's just inconsistent and quite a strange footballer. GREAT energy, reads the game quite well defensively, good tackler, really good character on the pitch. He's also really skillful and a good dribbler. He's just a terible passer over 10-15 years - the intermediate short passes, and sometimes seems to not understand the importance of not giving the ball away there. No doubt he's really been used well by ETH though and he's becoming a secret little favourite of mine - my average rating for him this year is 6.2 for example, well above the Caf's 5.6.
 
He's just inconsistent and quite a strange footballer. GREAT energy, reads the game quite well defensively, good tackler, really good character on the pitch. He's also really skillful and a good dribbler. He's just a terible passer over 10-15 years - the intermediate short passes, and sometimes seems to not understand the importance of not giving the ball away there. No doubt he's really been used well by ETH though and he's becoming a secret little favourite of mine - my average rating for him this year is 6.2 for example, well above the Caf's 5.6.
Football is a running game.

There's no point having all the technique in the world if you can't run.

Eriksen in a CM duo has shown numberous times this year he can't handle it. He gets ran passed too easily, he isn't aggressive enough.

In games where we have control he's excellent, but 50/50 matches he's a liability.
 
Yeah, wouldn’t disagree with much of that. It’s more the idea that he alone is absolutely shit in the first half and great after half time. When in reality, it’s usually part of a bigger picture where our whole team have been under the cosh, then find their feet when ETH fixes issues unrelated to Fred. Once the team as a whole starts to function then Fred (and everyone else) look like better players.

I don’t think he was shit at all. He was just Fred in a cagey half. You have a player with a certain skill set and if the game doesn’t suit him, he appears shit in comparison. Horses for courses, it is what it is.

There were obviously underlying reasons why the game was the way it was yesterday in the first half, not related to Fred. We had no pace up top. We couldn’t play balls behind their defence, we played in front of it, and the spaces got narrow. Add to it that both teams have fresher legs closing down all the spaces.

But even if Antony had started over Wout there’s no guarantee that the first half would be too open. Like I keep saying everyone is physically and mentally sharper in the first half. And Barca have players that can slow down the tempo. So it’s was always very likely that the first half wouldn’t suit Fred, regardless of our tactics. When the legs and mental sharpness start to go and the game becomes more frenetic, Fred thrives.

You can’t blame Fred. You can’t blame a wrench for not being a screwdriver. You have to accept the risks involved when you start him and the distinct possibility that he might do something stupid if he’s getting pressed a lot and he’s under the cosh.
 
Hes is no Eriksen but Eriksen is no Fred. Eriksen def better footballer without doubt but its 'horses for courses', and as you say, Fred used in the right way can be a game changer. This is so valuable given he appears to be happy to be a squad player.

100%. Each one gives something different and hugely valuable. Which is why I (and seemingly ETH) generally prefers to start Eriksen. Because games tend to be tight at the beginning and Eriksen has the touch, control, vision and pass execution to unlock tight games, that Fred doesn’t. But then Eriksen usually tires around 60-65’ and the game opens up and he can’t keep up with the tempo and that’s when you need Fred who thrives in that chaos.

So long as his legs hold, Fred has a big part to play in this team.
 
Football is a running game.

There's no point having all the technique in the world if you can't run.

Eriksen in a CM duo has shown numberous times this year he can't handle it. He gets ran passed too easily, he isn't aggressive enough.

In games where we have control he's excellent, but 50/50 matches he's a liability.
Agree 100%.
 
Football is a running game.

There's no point having all the technique in the world if you can't run.

Eriksen in a CM duo has shown numberous times this year he can't handle it. He gets ran passed too easily, he isn't aggressive enough.

In games where we have control he's excellent, but 50/50 matches he's a liability.
Exactly this. Our play on the ball is more smooth with Eriksen in the team, we use the space better as well. But Fred gives us more turnovers and we had some very dominant games/periods with him in midfield in many games. We've also seen Eriksen can't handle the intensity very well, what is hardly his fault. Every player has his limitations. I guess we hope Sabitzer will be the man in the middle between Fred and Eriksen, but all of them are very useful.

Eriksen might turn into the mythical player we thought Pogba can be - a starter in midfield in 50% of the games we play. But recent games (Leeds, Barca, Leicester, even CP) were made for Fred more than Eriksen.
 
Credit where credit is due. There were times in the second half when he was channelling his inner (peak) Paul Ince.
Football is a running game.

There's no point having all the technique in the world if you can't run.

Eriksen in a CM duo has shown numberous times this year he can't handle it. He gets ran passed too easily, he isn't aggressive enough.

In games where we have control he's excellent, but 50/50 matches he's a liability.

Yeah, for example, look at these tossers who can't sprint to save their lives. No chance this team can go far in a tournament and win the final 4-0...

 
It’s funny the way Fred so often gets singled out as a problem when the team as a whole is playing poorly. It’s a big factor in the whole “shite in the first half, world class in the second” meme. He’s so well established as a whipping boy the majority of the frustration which should be aimed at the team in general gets aimed at him, specifically. Throw in one or two obvious errors from Fred (over 45 minutes of football) and he’s immediately the worst player in the world.

In our last two matches ETH made half time tweaks that had almost nothing to do with Fred and the team performance improved dramatically, the feel good vibes began and suddenly everyone starts recognising all the good stuff that Fred is doing. I’m willing to bet that a statistical analysis of his performance in the first and second half of these matches would reveal nowhere near as much of a difference as you’d think.

Yup.
 
Credit where credit is due. There were times in the second half when he was channelling his inner (peak) Paul Ince.


Yeah, for example, look at these tossers who can't sprint to save their lives. No chance this team can go far in a tournament and win the final 4-0...

Who said that Barca team couldn't run? anyway, they were an extremely unique team, NOBODY pressed better than they did. None of them had to run further than 10 metres.

Eriksen was literally dead a few years ago and plays with a playmaker, it's astonishing he's even got back to this level. It's not unfair to say though he struggles when the game is played at a higher intensity now.
 
Football is a running game.

There's no point having all the technique in the world if you can't run.

Eriksen in a CM duo has shown numberous times this year he can't handle it. He gets ran passed too easily, he isn't aggressive enough.

In games where we have control he's excellent, but 50/50 matches he's a liability.

Horses for courses.

Fred is great in these type of games in the box to box number 8 where he can run and Harry and hassle win the ball back and start fast transitions against more positive teams who are willing to come forward take risks and leave space in midfield and behind.

He isn't as great in games against teams that sit in bypass midfield go physical and direct. Suddenly all his running around looks a bit like a headless chicken, getting bullied of the ball by physical opponents unable to pick passes through tight areas because his technique and vision can be found wanting.

Football is most definitely not just a running game. It helps at times but it isn't the be all and end all.

Full credit to Fred for his performance last night, excellent and played a huge part in a great win for us.
 
I don't think he had a bad first half. He gave away couple free kicks, but otherwise he was still hunting for the ball and tried to start attacks. His main job was to silence De Jong - and he did it perfectly.

We were poor as a team and when our front 4 changed - Fred was unleashed. I think when Bruno plays as a 10, it suits better for Fred.

He was as good in other roles - breaking up the play (what the heck how many tackles), providing support into the opponents box and linking up the front 3 with midfield. His movement and quick passing between the lines were amazing.

Please someone share that video or GIF of his run he did where he carried the ball and passed it to Rashford into the box. I wish we'd finished it with a goal. That was something else.
 
Second half probably matches any 45 mins he's played for us in terms of all-round excellence. He'll have put in a handful of equally good showings over the years but none better.
 
Who said that Barca team couldn't run? anyway, they were an extremely unique team, NOBODY pressed better than they did. None of them had to run further than 10 metres.

Eriksen was literally dead a few years ago and plays with a playmaker, it's astonishing he's even got back to this level. It's not unfair to say though he struggles when the game is played at a higher intensity now.

It was actually the Spanish side that battered Italy 4-0 under Del Bosque. Hardly the pressing machine Pep's Barça was, but their positioning, vision and passing were exquisite. They dominated NT tournaments by forcing the opposition to do all the running by chasing the ball all around.

I'm not disagreeing with you on how important Fred's contribution to this side, under certain circumstances. I'm just not fond of sweeping generalizations when they're presented as ancient truths. Football isn't a running game. It's not a possession game, either, for that matter. First and foremost, football is a game of spaces: How you try to control and exploit them. I know it doesn't say much, but that's all there is to it.

Someone wrote a couple of pages back that it's not Fred's fault when the game and the tactics don't suit him. If this is the case, no player would ever be criticized. I mean, it's not Maguire's fault that he can't play in a high line or Lindelof's that he can't defend in the air. Yet, we didn't stand still. We looked for players who can serve the manager's plans better. It doesn't mean that they don't have their uses or that the internet mob has the right to shite on them after a bad pass. The point is, you can have players who can "do the job" and still think that the team should look to add more qualities to their positions on the pitch.

There's a reason why Fred rarely left the bench while Eriksen was available for selection. There's also a reason why we try so hard to ease a limited footballer like WW into the side. It doesn't have to do with running, physicality or energy. The side was planned with Rashford as its main attacking force, coming from the left side to attack the spaces in-behind. We were also designed to have Martial dropping between the lines to receive the ball and spread play, with Bruno coming from deep to attack the box. On the right (the "weak" side) we can have Antony as a "possession safe" player (something that led to Dalot being preferred to AWB as an overlapping/underlapping FB) or someone who can either create or go 1v1 (Bruno, Rashford have been tried there and due to the nature of their game, the more defensive AWB has come to the fore again).

In the set-up with our best attacking players in their best roles on the pitch (Rashford/Martial), the midfield areas get congested and we expect from the deep midfielders and Martinez to find the right passes and there's also the FBs (mainly Shaw, who's a beast at carrying the ball through the lines). The WW loan is an attempt to not stray far from Plan A midseason. We can admit that Fred's not in his element in these conditions. He doesn't "see" the spaces most times, he doesn't react well when he's not afforded time on the ball. But when Rashford goes up front to stretch defences, and when both wingers are being aggressive and try to keep the opposition FBs in check (especially when Garnacho gets subbed in), Fred's tenacity and work rate can be very useful to us. So, if someone argues that Fred's been essential to our season with Martial always absent and WW being a championship player, hardly anyone would disagree.

But, last night, we happened to see the player ETH actually wanted for the role in our midfield. Especially in the last 15–20 minutes, it was plain for all to see why he did. The Catalans were chasing the game, they couldn't cope with our pace, they had trouble establishing control... and they were still getting constantly in our third. It wasn't because Fred is "chaos" and all the other malarkey. It was FdJ getting on the ball and carrying forward in the attacking half. Again, and again, and again... This is a skill that can be invaluable to us. In modern football, it's worth more than being "tough" or running up and down the pitch for 90 minutes. Eriksen doesn't possess the ability but he has the vision and the passing range to make up for it (not always, but you get the picture). ETH is a team builder, he always tries to see the bigger picture.

Who knows? Maybe Garnacho will make the LW spot his, Rashford will be moved to the centre, the whole plan will change and the role for the #8 position will have requirements that suit Fred's skill set better. Then, he'll be given a new contract and he'll probably have a more active role. But there is a discussion to be had without the player being scapegoated. There was another, more daring thread, about Bruno. The title didn't do it much justice, truth be told, because it was all about the best way to move forward in the near future. The OP got ridiculed, but with the reintroduction of Sancho to the side (and before that), we see that the manager himself is actively trying to create midfield combinations without Bruno. It doesn't mean it will happen, but it wasn't outlandish to think about it.
 
Yesterday was almost a 'peak' Fred performance... an awful, wayward first half, sloppy and all over the place... and then a second half where he just did what he should do, which isn't 'think', just battle, close down, win back possession, carry the ball, and occasionally arrive late in the box. He was superb second half, he harrased their midfield, and was a key protecting player.

Very frustrating player. I hope he can use that second half as a blueprint. We will have to see.
I agree. Hopefully ETH knows how to make second half Fred more of a standard and fix first half Fred.

Key player for us against one of the best teams in Europe. That says a lot about what he can do.
 
I don't think he had a bad first half. He gave away couple free kicks, but otherwise he was still hunting for the ball and tried to start attacks. His main job was to silence De Jong - and he did it perfectly.

We were poor as a team and when our front 4 changed - Fred was unleashed. I think when Bruno plays as a 10, it suits better for Fred.

He was as good in other roles - breaking up the play (what the heck how many tackles), providing support into the opponents box and linking up the front 3 with midfield. His movement and quick passing between the lines were amazing.

Please someone share that video or GIF of his run he did where he carried the ball and passed it to Rashford into the box. I wish we'd finished it with a goal. That was something else.

It’s like that post came from my subconscious. Agree with every word. Especially the last bit. That run was outrageous. If Rashford had somehow converted it would have been one of our all time greatest ever goals.
 
This. Fred is levels and levels above him.

At his best, Fred is superior. At his worst he is below. Herrera was more consistent, could play better as a 6,but a bit more injury prone. Eventually, they are equal in my opinion.
 
Probably tied with Bruno as our best player out of possession, he's a pressing, ball-winning beast. Still one of our worst players in possession mind, but he was better on the ball than usual yesterday.
 
He is the ultimate big game player. He is so annoying to play against so when we play teams that want to have the ball like Barca and City, he should be one of the first names on a team sheet as his work rate and pressing in the middle of the field is unmatched. When he and Bruno can press high up the field, it is suffocating for the other team. FdJ had no impact on this game and Fred had a huge part in that.

I think that he is a wonderful 3rd midfielder for us. He can come on late in games when we play teams that sit back to be a spark or he can start against teams that we want to press for 90 minutes. Now that he doesn't have to try to play the DM role and can use his strengths, you are seeing why we spend $47 mil on him.
 
Yeah, wouldn’t disagree with much of that. It’s more the idea that he alone is absolutely shit in the first half and great after half time. When in reality, it’s usually part of a bigger picture where our whole team have been under the cosh, then find their feet when ETH fixes issues unrelated to Fred. Once the team as a whole starts to function then Fred (and everyone else) look like better players.
People are definitely going way overboard about it recently but there is an element of truth in it. Going back throughout all his time here Fred has regularly started games slowly and can be quite poor for the first 20 minutes or so (not the entire first half as some are now saying), before getting better and better as matches wear on. I think it's part of the reason for people completely disagreeing about whether he was good or shit in individual matches. The people who don't like him watch those first 10-20 minutes and get so frustrated, then it colours their opinion and they end up ignoring the fact he was one of our best players throughout the rest of the match.

People are now combining that tendency for him to start games slowly with the fact that the team as a whole has looked a lot better in the second half in a few games recently after some tactical tweaks, and coming away with the opinion that Fred was terrible throughout the entire first half before coming to life in the second. I think there was one match recently where it was a fair criticism, but it certainly wasn't the case in this match against Barca. Even in the first half he was at least ok and certainly not one of our worst.
 
People are definitely going way overboard about it recently but there is an element of truth in it. Going back throughout all his time here Fred has regularly started games slowly and can be quite poor for the first 20 minutes or so (not the entire first half as some are now saying), before getting better and better as matches wear on. I think it's part of the reason for people completely disagreeing about whether he was good or shit in individual matches. The people who don't like him watch those first 10-20 minutes and get so frustrated, then it colours their opinion and they end up ignoring the fact he was one of our best players throughout the rest of the match.

People are now combining that tendency for him to start games slowly with the fact that the team as a whole has looked a lot better in the second half in a few games recently after some tactical tweaks, and coming away with the opinion that Fred was terrible throughout the entire first half before coming to life in the second. I think there was one match recently where it was a fair criticism, but it certainly wasn't the case in this match against Barca. Even in the first half he was at least ok and certainly not one of our worst.

Yeah, that’s probably correct. He does tend to be a slow starter. Takes a while to get to the pace of the game.
 
It was actually the Spanish side that battered Italy 4-0 under Del Bosque. Hardly the pressing machine Pep's Barça was, but their positioning, vision and passing were exquisite. They dominated NT tournaments by forcing the opposition to do all the running by chasing the ball all around.

I'm not disagreeing with you on how important Fred's contribution to this side, under certain circumstances. I'm just not fond of sweeping generalizations when they're presented as ancient truths. Football isn't a running game. It's not a possession game, either, for that matter. First and foremost, football is a game of spaces: How you try to control and exploit them. I know it doesn't say much, but that's all there is to it.

Someone wrote a couple of pages back that it's not Fred's fault when the game and the tactics don't suit him. If this is the case, no player would ever be criticized. I mean, it's not Maguire's fault that he can't play in a high line or Lindelof's that he can't defend in the air. Yet, we didn't stand still. We looked for players who can serve the manager's plans better. It doesn't mean that they don't have their uses or that the internet mob has the right to shite on them after a bad pass. The point is, you can have players who can "do the job" and still think that the team should look to add more qualities to their positions on the pitch.

There's a reason why Fred rarely left the bench while Eriksen was available for selection. There's also a reason why we try so hard to ease a limited footballer like WW into the side. It doesn't have to do with running, physicality or energy. The side was planned with Rashford as its main attacking force, coming from the left side to attack the spaces in-behind. We were also designed to have Martial dropping between the lines to receive the ball and spread play, with Bruno coming from deep to attack the box. On the right (the "weak" side) we can have Antony as a "possession safe" player (something that led to Dalot being preferred to AWB as an overlapping/underlapping FB) or someone who can either create or go 1v1 (Bruno, Rashford have been tried there and due to the nature of their game, the more defensive AWB has come to the fore again).

In the set-up with our best attacking players in their best roles on the pitch (Rashford/Martial), the midfield areas get congested and we expect from the deep midfielders and Martinez to find the right passes and there's also the FBs (mainly Shaw, who's a beast at carrying the ball through the lines). The WW loan is an attempt to not stray far from Plan A midseason. We can admit that Fred's not in his element in these conditions. He doesn't "see" the spaces most times, he doesn't react well when he's not afforded time on the ball. But when Rashford goes up front to stretch defences, and when both wingers are being aggressive and try to keep the opposition FBs in check (especially when Garnacho gets subbed in), Fred's tenacity and work rate can be very useful to us. So, if someone argues that Fred's been essential to our season with Martial always absent and WW being a championship player, hardly anyone would disagree.

But, last night, we happened to see the player ETH actually wanted for the role in our midfield. Especially in the last 15–20 minutes, it was plain for all to see why he did. The Catalans were chasing the game, they couldn't cope with our pace, they had trouble establishing control... and they were still getting constantly in our third. It wasn't because Fred is "chaos" and all the other malarkey. It was FdJ getting on the ball and carrying forward in the attacking half. Again, and again, and again... This is a skill that can be invaluable to us. In modern football, it's worth more than being "tough" or running up and down the pitch for 90 minutes. Eriksen doesn't possess the ability but he has the vision and the passing range to make up for it (not always, but you get the picture). ETH is a team builder, he always tries to see the bigger picture.

Who knows? Maybe Garnacho will make the LW spot his, Rashford will be moved to the centre, the whole plan will change and the role for the #8 position will have requirements that suit Fred's skill set better. Then, he'll be given a new contract and he'll probably have a more active role. But there is a discussion to be had without the player being scapegoated. There was another, more daring thread, about Bruno. The title didn't do it much justice, truth be told, because it was all about the best way to move forward in the near future. The OP got ridiculed, but with the reintroduction of Sancho to the side (and before that), we see that the manager himself is actively trying to create midfield combinations without Bruno. It doesn't mean it will happen, but it wasn't outlandish to think about it.
Great Post

I thought FDJ was magnificent in that game and finally saw what all the fuss was about
 
I cannot fully agree. Yes he's become a bit of a whipping boy, but there's some valid basis to the stereotype. It's not just a perpetuated narrative.

For me, it's a statement of fact that cagey games don't suit Fred's skillset. His first touch, control and pass accuracy let him down when there's little space. He's no Eriksen, there's no shame in that. Because, when the game begins to open up and get stretched in the second half of games, he simply shines. Suddenly he is everywhere, supporting attacks and covering brilliantly in defence and exploiting all the open spaces. First half yesterday was very slow and cagey, he couldn't offer more than he did, he's an average midfielder in those conditions. Second half, spaces opened and he was filling them all brilliantly, becoming motm. That's just who Fred is.

The thing is, he is often involved in those miscontrols, bad passes and turnovers because he is a magnet to the ball and he doesn't shy away from giving an option (even to his own disadvantage) to his teammates.

Ok sure, sometimes or often times, it's a net negative because he then gives it away or makes mistakes in bad areas but it's part of his enduring appeal and a very underrated 'asset' of his. Of course he should know/learn when and when not or how to get involved but I don't think that's going to change at his stage of his career.

That is the one thing I really do appreciate and admire even if you can sometimes see it happening a mile away but it's also why we get these miraculous bits of skill, composure, dribbles and assists/goals. He's the central midfield version of Bruno. You gotta take the good with the bad.
 
Interesting stat in Guardian article about Casemiro.

Opta has a statistic called shot-ending sequences started; in other words, ball recoveries that lead to chances, and Casemiro is second in the league on this. As an aside and an insight into Ten Hag’s style, United have two others in the top five – Fred (first), Fernandes (fifth).
 
This shit again, he wasn't the worst player on the pitch why do you keep stirring this shit, if anything he was one of our better players in the first half in overall timid/poor performance of the whole team in the first half. Hate this lazy assessement.

We absolutely need a player who never stops fighting and winning the ball in key areas, he even added assists and goals lately quite obviously thanks to playing higher up the pitch to show even the most stupid fans on and off this forum, that he can do that too.

If you look at some of his defensive duels today alone and in every game he's joy to watch because he's really clever and dedicated to the task, pressing forcing errors, blocking at key areas and when on the ball playing with a speed of light and Brazilian quality as well..
Few great and sensible posts in this thread now. Gives me some hope for the site. I think I’ll just put every drivel-spouting Fred-Carp-Expert on ignore. But your contribution is thoughtful and well-written, and sharply puts the boot in. Applause.
 
I just love this guy! I’ve cursed his name over the years but his attitude is so top-notch.
 
Don't underestimate the togetherness of this squad and Fred is an important part of that which contributes to his selection,as well as one hell of an engine.Nice one Fred,got us back in to the game at the right time.
Good point
 
Going off on a tangent but ETH would have loved Herrera as a player and he would have suited playing next to Casemiro and behind Bruno. He had all the qualities to be a good to very good, well rounded no 8 option.

He wouldn't have taken us to 'next level' but I'd argue it's probably a better or rather different balance compared to someone like Fred/Eriksen. People forget Herrera had a good touch, a shimmy to get out of tight spaces, worked hard and forget he had the typical Spanish technical qualities. He was also clutch in delivering final passes when it mattered and was quite productive a goal threat.

Fred has been good for us but no need to shit on Herrera or tbh a lot of our past players; I'd say a lot of them played under shit managers that didn't exactly give them the platform to succeed or shine. You can look at this current group of players to see the difference a top coach makes.
I always liked Herrera. Was at that end when he scored at OT v Arsenal. You are right, would have been interesting to see him w Ten Hag.
 
It’s funny the way Fred so often gets singled out as a problem when the team as a whole is playing poorly. It’s a big factor in the whole “shite in the first half, world class in the second” meme. He’s so well established as a whipping boy the majority of the frustration which should be aimed at the team in general gets aimed at him, specifically. Throw in one or two obvious errors from Fred (over 45 minutes of football) and he’s immediately the worst player in the world.

In our last two matches ETH made half time tweaks that had almost nothing to do with Fred and the team performance improved dramatically, the feel good vibes began and suddenly everyone starts recognising all the good stuff that Fred is doing. I’m willing to bet that a statistical analysis of his performance in the first and second half of these matches would reveal nowhere near as much of a difference as you’d think.
Top post. Again, lifts the thread into the area of sensible.
 
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