Thought he was pretty good. A-bit sloppy at times, but he's improved under ETH. Ended the game with an assist, too.
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As CM or midfielder in double pivot, being sloppy is not good enough when the manager wants the team to play from the back.
If Fred played for another club, and we watched him for 5 years, would anyone have him on our top transfers priority list? we paid £50 something million for him, would anyone want to spend that on him now? If he were an academy kid, I could understand, but he’s turning 30 next month and we’ve already seen his peak.
We already have him, and I think that’s why people are reluctant to get rid, but is he ideal for the role ETH wants him to play? The last two games he has been sublime and outrageously bad , often within minutes of each other.
People talk about Fred being more of an attacking midfielder, but if that’s not what he’s in the side to do, who cares? Against Leicester he let runners go past him far too often and wasn’t close enough to the player he was marking. Leicester created several great chances, 2 of which called for heroic saves from DeGea, and they created those chances because Fred wasn’t helping stop attacks, along with Garnacho of course.
Against Leeds he went to sleep for the 2nd goal, let his man run off him and was nowhere near him. Whatever he offers in attack is outweighed by his shortcomings. I sincerely hope his time at United is about done.
We already have him, and I think that’s why people are reluctant to get rid, but is he ideal for the role ETH wants him to play? The last two games he has been sublime and outrageously bad , often within minutes of each other.
People talk about Fred being more of an attacking midfielder, but if that’s not what he’s in the side to do, who cares? Against Leicester he let runners go past him far too often and wasn’t close enough to the player he was marking. Leicester created several great chances, 2 of which called for heroic saves from DeGea, and they created those chances because Fred wasn’t helping stop attacks, along with Garnacho of course.
Against Leeds he went to sleep for the 2nd goal, let his man run off him and was nowhere near him. Whatever he offers in attack is outweighed by his shortcomings. I sincerely hope his time at United is about done.
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Not many midfielders have engine like Fred. You go through teams in PL, not many can outperform off ball pressing like Fred in 90 minutes.
Engine just isn't enough.
Yeah a Renault Clio engine, and we frequently go and race Le Mans with it.
Great Post. People get on like he has some attacking mf superiority so it accounts for many many negativities. He doesn't even have a place in the team further forward never mind centre midfield. I think some fans may have forgotten over the years we are manchester united.
Clearly not the required standard.But he is Bruno and Casa's best mate though.So there is that.
Exactly we won it with clever
Say the same about fred. He is the worst regular midfielder I've ever seen for man united and I'm not exaggerating. Maybe I watch him a bit too closely as I can't stand him stealing 120k a week but I stand firm on that.
Exactly, we won won it with Cleverley. Unfortunately I don't think we will be able to
Say the same about fred. He is the worst regular midfielder I've ever seen for man united and I'm not exaggerating. Maybe I watch him a bit too closely as I can't stand him stealing 120k a week but I stand firm on that.
Stamina on him is insane. If only he didn’t give away the ball so much he’d be class
I would say he is ideal the way ETH wants him to play in opposition half, or close to it. He is really effective, I don't think it gets much better than what Fred does in this position. He's putting in some good numbers in terms of attack as well.
If you question if Fred is ideal in CM position for Ten Hag then no, but neither is Eriksen. Sabitzer has to prove himself still, can't be judged now.
Defensively in our own half he is a bit of a mess, but we knew that already. Eriksen gets outrunned easily, Sabitzer is far from being a good DM as well so the midfield looks fecked now without Casemiro. This is why I believe we should prioritize getting Casemiro backup this summer.
I think he's a decent midfielder and very good option to have. He offers something completely different to what Eriksen does, that gives us a nice alternative.
I get that people are disappointed with his overall quality, but I also think this season he is showing he's worth keeping as a squad player. Ideally both him and Eriksen will be squad players but that depends if we get a long-term b2b midfielder, but in that scenario Fred is still useful for us.
I do think the Cafe members are overly critical of Fred. He's not good enough in terms of a regular starter, but as a squad player it doesn't get much better and IMO it's not worth the risk.
Fred is simply too poor in too many areas of his game and we already have enough people in this squad that squander the ball. You can indulge Bruno because he wins you game after game and he usually loses the ball high up the pitch. You can't indulge Fred as well because he misplaces passes in front of his defence. He loses the ball a lot when put under pressure and he is very poor in front of goal 80% of the time.
Yes he delivers value in plenty of ways when he is having a good game but there are far better players out there who can do what he does better and without all the downsides. No other team in the top 6 would take Fred as anything but a squad player. As someone said above, would you sign Fred now for £50m? No.
Good engine, has always worked his socks off for the team but hes a limited player with far too many mistakes in him. I think that when we buy another CM he will be quite far down the pecking order especially if we keep Sabitzer.
Yes he delivers value in plenty of ways when he is having a good game but there are far better players out there who can do what he does better and without all the downsides. No other team in the top 6 would take Fred as anything but a squad player. As someone said above, would you sign Fred now for £50m? No.
Good engine, has always worked his socks off for the team but hes a limited player with far too many mistakes in him. I think that when we buy another CM he will be quite far down the pecking order especially if we keep Sabitzer.
There's a fair chance both will play (with one of them playing the role that Wout has the last couple games), but if it's between the two of them I would be hugely surprised if it's Sabitzer. I doubt ETH will risk a new partnership against either Barca or Newcastle. Quite likely West Ham will be Sabitzer rather than Fred though.
There's a place in our squad for him. He can be so bad at times that we shouldn't be relying on him as a starter, but good enough at times that we shouldn't rush to get rid.
I'd say if we're going to flogging any midfielders, McTominay needs to be the first on the chopping block. Fred's place should only come into question if we end up getting two midfielders in.
I'd say if we're going to flogging any midfielders, McTominay needs to be the first on the chopping block. Fred's place should only come into question if we end up getting two midfielders in.
You only had to look at his midfield partners for the last few years to see someone worse. He's been comfortably better than both Matic and McTominay.
Its kind of weird that Fred seems to have some kind of Jedi mind trick over ETH and he plays?
Fred doesnt pick himself. Good enough is subjective but I trust in the decisions this manager is making cause he is getting a lot right. In the summer, these decisions will take care of themselves and Fred isnt alone in that. That said, its not easy to find players that are internationals who are happy to give up their caps cause they are not playing.
Until then for me, I'd sooner support those that are coming in to cover those that are rested, suspended or injured. Dont see any point criticism being pointed at players that clearly wouldnt start if everyone is fit. Lets no forget, Fred has played pretty much every 3 games whilst others have been out. What midfield would we have had without him, Lindelof and Sab?
That said, arguably Fred hasnt cost us any games since under ETH but for me he has definitely contributed to us winning them. The assist against Barca and yesterday was crucial to both games. Our best game of the season (and many thoughts beyond that) Fred was MOTM. When he plays with Cas, hes been very good. In the big games, are his best performances.
Also we have had at this club players with more talent that have given less. I believe Fred gives everything to the club, the players and the fans. Seems to have good values and beliefs. Always available to play and rarely injured. Maybe its me and Im a bit old school, but that use to make players like Fred 'fans favourites'.
Might not be everyones cup of tea but he deserves a bit more respect on his name.
Fred doesnt pick himself. Good enough is subjective but I trust in the decisions this manager is making cause he is getting a lot right. In the summer, these decisions will take care of themselves and Fred isnt alone in that. That said, its not easy to find players that are internationals who are happy to give up their caps cause they are not playing.
Until then for me, I'd sooner support those that are coming in to cover those that are rested, suspended or injured. Dont see any point criticism being pointed at players that clearly wouldnt start if everyone is fit. Lets no forget, Fred has played pretty much every 3 games whilst others have been out. What midfield would we have had without him, Lindelof and Sab?
That said, arguably Fred hasnt cost us any games since under ETH but for me he has definitely contributed to us winning them. The assist against Barca and yesterday was crucial to both games. Our best game of the season (and many thoughts beyond that) Fred was MOTM. When he plays with Cas, hes been very good. In the big games, are his best performances.
Also we have had at this club players with more talent that have given less. I believe Fred gives everything to the club, the players and the fans. Seems to have good values and beliefs. Always available to play and rarely injured. Maybe its me and Im a bit old school, but that use to make players like Fred 'fans favourites'.
Might not be everyones cup of tea but he deserves a bit more respect on his name.
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Good player. Better than Herrera for me.
I see what you're insinuating but it's kind of mental to blame the 18 year old left winger and not the veteran full back for the issues down the left flank. Shaw was getting too close to his man and not winning the ball leaving the CBs isolated and exposed, then not dropping back and covering the space. Fred also wasn't blameless as he gave the ball away twice which lead to counters. They stopped creating because they got overconfident in the second half, stopped playing on the counter where they were getting all their chances and started playing a high line which Rashford exposed by exploiting the space in behind, which was incredibly poor management by Rodgers.
I’m not putting all the blame on Garnacho. The whole left side was a mess. Martinez didn’t cover himself in glory either. The MOTD analysis singled him and Shaw both out for getting sucked infield and too far up the pitch. Garnacho didn’t help, mind you. Repeatedly let his fullback run past him. ETH obviously fixed the issue with the changes he made and whatever tactical advice he gave Shaw and Martinez.
Anyway, the point I’m making is that singling out Fred as responsible for our issues on the left is classic scapegoating. Yes he was guilty of giving the ball away carelessly a couple of times and that created dangerous situations (mainly through the middle, as it happens) but he was only partially, at worst, responsible for the left sided cluster feck.
I think ETH also said Sab is still coming to terms with positioning and spacing which created some issues in the midfield. Second half, Fred played much further on the left, which incidentally is where he assists for the goal I believe..
The first 20 minutes was genuinely a 0/10 performance. You don't see them often.
ETH did a mistake with this setup IMO. Too offensive approach, Fred was too far away from Sabitzer (who isn't a DM specialist), Garnacho was clearly positioning himself to hit them on the counter and he was not tracking back (he's not good defensively but that's hardly an issue now), Wout couldn't hold to the ball in the center when dropping deep etc. It may have worked if we had Casemiro shielding the back 4, but since he was out the defenders were constantly facing Leicester attackers running at them and we were having troubles getting the ball back.
It's similar to Pogba-in-midfield situation, a bunch of people thought we will be better with him in midfield because he's so creative from deep, while in reality we were better with McFred simply because we were more effective at getting the ball back and quick turnovers/counter attacking.
It's all about the balance. Ten Hag got it wrong yesterday but quickly recognized the situation and adapted nicely. Blaming a single player, whether that is Fred, Garnacho or Sabitzer, is silly.
Don't have a right lot of choice considering how many injuries we've had in midfield.
He doesn't but I think he sees his value. Fred can be upgraded no doubt, for me its whether you can find someone who is happy coming off the bench as maybe 4th or 5th choice?
Interesting to see if he starts tomorrow.
I'd personally play Casemiro & Sabitzer as the deeper two. Wouldn't be hugely surprised if he plays at 10 to press Busquets/de Jong and Weghorst drops out.
I'd personally play Casemiro & Sabitzer as the deeper two. Wouldn't be hugely surprised if he plays at 10 to press Busquets/de Jong and Weghorst drops out.
Okay this is cute and adds to Fred being very likable despite being so up and down as a player.
Imagine not to play your best player from that game who absolutely outplayed so called "an upgrade in midfield we need" mr. invisible de Jong. He was saved to get unleashed at home, the last league game, so I would expect he starts. It would be criminal not to start your 3 out of last 6 games MOTM player too who is in top form. I wouldn't be surprised from ETH to do something stupid there though like playing McTominay for the "steel" or good attitude.
We need to play front foot football, and Fred alone can win us the ball in great areas and create one big opening after another like in the last few games. Ifhe has Casemiro as a no6 we don't have to worry about that he miss some pass from deep that much too. Every midfielder does, including Casemiro himself or our ball playing CB Martinez..
Hope the Old trafford helps us to get the best out of all players..
It's only the fans which make him look like up and down yet he's one of our most consistent players. Fred has been brilliant 8/10 games ever since moving to a no8 role where he belongs. It's like playing Rashford as a no9 or Pogba deeper as a no6, they can play there and have great games there but they are not fully reliable because we don't play them to their strength, same as Fred played deeper for so long in his United career, because noone else was really available to cement that place.
He's been so bad on 1st half, every time he started the game lately. He probably should be in on 2nd half only, as that's when he's on Lord Fred mode.
When we buy another CM which we absolutely must there will be a place for him as a sub surely.
Is that his wife?
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