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He needs an extended period concentrating on lifting in the gym.Going to be interesting visiting this thread at the end of the season
From what I've seen of him, I just can't think who in their righteous mind saw him play and though this is a 50m player.Our most stupid midfield signings in recent years for me have been Schneiderlin and paying over the odds for fecking Fellaini on transfer deadline day. Fred hasn't played enough to be properly considered a bad signing
`Spent 50m on a downgrade for Herrera. Ridiculous money spending. Things like these make our spending go sky rocket without nothing to show for.
Another Morgan Schneiderlin for me. we needed a Carrick replacement not a downgrade on Herrera.
I sadly doubt there are many cases of player developing a football brain at 25. You either have it or don’t.Needs help with developing a football brain. I’d keep him in side and be patient- he could grow once he’s settled ... in and out won’t help him.
Maybe it's a language issue but he needs to get with the program quickly.
They are both Portuguese speakers so shouldn't be a language problem.
The guy can't defend for shit. No he certainly shouldn't be anchoring the midfield.There's no point in playing him in a non-defensive position. Pereira would be better than him in the position he is being played while Fred should be played in the position that Pereira was playing at the start of the season.
The guy can't defend for shit. No he certainly shouldn't be anchoring the midfield.
The only thing he's got going for him is his attacking through balls.
Very good post. Lindelof this time one year ago looked suspect as hell and now look after a season to acclimatise with the PL and understand how the team play. A lot of Fred's issues are with timing. He's late into some tackles, sometimes his pass is rushed but I like his intentions. he'll bring a lot of quality once he settles in properly. Way more potential than Herrera going forward imo.The role he is expected to play requires the maximum amount of integration with the rest of the team. He needs to be aware of the runs by opposing full backs , his holding midfielder and keep track of forward runs by our wingers. To play this effectively he'll need a lot more time training and playing within this team.
He does have the technical ability but seems to lack the awareness and that seems like a direct result of not playing much. I believe he'll be much much better if played regularly and quite certain that even OGS knows that.
Your post was shit then and it still is. Making a tackle doesn't make you a midfield anchor. He wasn't an anchor at Shaktar and he won't be an anchor here. Being shit going forward has no bearing on him being shit defensively. Pogba made more tackles too. Let's have him anchor the midfield shall we?Here's the post I made last time you tried to argue this. Ignore it again if you want.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/fred-2018-19-performances.439205/page-38#post-23406956
Yesterday Fred made the same number of tackles and more interceptions than Matic (our defensive midfielder) despite playing 40 minutes less. Offensively he managed zero shots, zero chances created and zero through balls. He is not an offensive player at all, he wasn't at Shaktar, he isn't for Brazil and he will most likely flop at United if we expect him to play like this. We should utilise his strengths and play him in a defensive position just like Guardiola would have done if Shaktar had accepted City's bid for him.
His first touch is like a grenade.
In theory, I like what he’s supposed to add to the team. Especially on the counter attack. But I can’t shake the feeling that he’s just a bit shite. I said as much at the start of the season and I’ve certainly seen enough now; he’s got a mountain to climb to get ahead of Herrera, for me.
I’ll caveat that by saying he’s clearly better than what he’s showing so far. He must be...
No manager used KDB and Silva as central midfielders before pep. They got converted from wide players/number 10 players into central midfielders orchestrating the game from deep. Fred has the attributes to play in that system for pep as DM. But maybe not for the other managers. And there's not a problem with both approaches. If City strucure out of possession is mostly solid enough with two attacking mids in the centre then it shouldn't be a problem with more box to box mid in the DM.Your post was shit then and it still is. Making a tackle doesn't make you a midfield anchor. He wasn't an anchor at Shaktar and he won't be an anchor here. Being shit going forward has no bearing on him being shit defensively. Pogba made more tackles too. Let's have him anchor the midfield shall we?
You can keep living in fairyland where Guardiola apparently rates him as the best anchor in the world too. Despite you know, no manager ever using him as an anchor.
Or you can just watch him play and see he can't read the game defensively for shit.
Your post was shit then and it still is. Making a tackle doesn't make you a midfield anchor. He wasn't an anchor at Shaktar and he won't be an anchor here. Being shit going forward has no bearing on him being shit defensively. Pogba made more tackles too. Let's have him anchor the midfield shall we?
You can keep living in fairyland where Guardiola apparently rates him as the best anchor in the world too. Despite you know, no manager ever using him as an anchor.
Or you can just watch him play and see he can't read the game defensively for shit.
Maybe it's a language issue but he needs to get with the program quickly.
Language problems understanding Ole’s instructions you dimwit.
Hardly going to be a language issue, as they both speak Portuguese! Lack of basic insight into our players is astonishing at times!!!
Language problems understanding Ole’s instructions you dimwit.
It's no wonder you think Fred is bad defensively when you refuse to accept that actual defending like making tackles and intercepting opposition passes don't count towards being good in that role. The praise that Kante got when he played there for Leicester and Chelsea and Herrera got when he won our POTY in that position must have blown your mind.
Fred did play in a defensive role for Shaktar and the best available source for City news on the Internet said that Guardiola wanted him to play defensive midfielder for his team too. What exactly is your rebuttal to these points? Just insisting they aren't true and everyone is wrong but you? Do you think the youtuber who made a 17 minute video about Fred which repeatedly emphasised his defensive skills and how he was most useful in deep positions did no research and just made it all up? Do you also think that Sam Lee lied about Guardiola wanting Fred to replace Fernandinho for City? Was the Shaktar president also lying when he went on record that City bid for Fred in January? When sites like whoscored.com take objective measures of a player's contribution to a football match and use them characterise Fred's strongest attribute as being his 'defensive contributions' are they also wrong or lying?
Your arguments are ridiculous and seem to agenda driven rather than based on any fair assessment of the player. Clicking your profile tells me you have Fred as your lowest rated player this season with a clearly unbiased 3.2... massively out of sync with this forum's average rating of the player. Go ahead and tell me everyone on this forum is also shit and wrong for not agreeing with you about how terrible Fred is.
It's interesting to note that Jose didn't think Fred could play in our side till we were defensively better. It's not exactly good to hear that your holding /defensive midfielder needs a better defense to be able to play effectively.
