[Litch]

Sorry my ability to assess any player coming here is zero cause the moment they put on a Utd shirt, they turn to shit. It's like a magic trick cause they weren't shit before they were here...Sorry it's hard enough coming from a different country into a new league but this is not the easiest of places to kickstart your PL career.

 

[bucky]

Gotta love the weird mental gymnastics of people who are so desperate to convince themselves that replacing Mourinho will immediately fix everything they’re going down the path of assuming that he’s somehow an absolutely terrible manager, while also not making any mistakes in the transfer market. I suspect the “sack Mourinho and Bailly and Fred will become world class” crew are in for bitter disappointment.

Fred was making the Brazil squad ahead of players like Fabinho and Allan. Both have been very good players over the years.

Edit: Not saying that he'll become world class or that I wanted us to sign him.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Whenever i see him playing, he often loses the ball. Not a good trait for a CM.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Fred was making the Brazil squad ahead of players like Fabinho and Allan. Both have been very good players over the years.

Edit: Not saying that he'll become world class or that I wanted us to sign him.

I don’t really have an opinion on him. He doesn’t look great so far and read mixed reports about how well he’d cope in the PL. Plus Mourinho’s recent transfer record (not to mention the record of the club overall!) is a big black mark against him. He might come good but you’d have to say that’s unlikely.

Sometimes I think a new manager will fix everything but I’m increasingly coming round to the idea we’ll need to tear the whole thing down and start again, building a whole new team from scratch.

Ok, maybe Rashford could become a future member of a title winning team at United... but after him? Feck knows...

 

[Litch]

If some are having the debate about whether Pogba is any good then Fred has fecking no chance. The only players I can successfully assess are the ones that were shit before Jose got here that somehow are still in the first team....the new ones, God knows but they look nothing more that squad players to me.

 

[Adisa]

Fred has himself said Mourinho was personally involved Ed in bring him here. What the feck is this all about?

 

[Canagel]

A quick reminder of what we could see under a progressive attacking manager.

 

[el3mel]

A quick reminder of what we could see under a progressive attacking manager.

Depay videos were better at PSV. Not that it means anything. The guy's style is completely erratic and chaotic. He's just a downgrade version of Herrera when we needed a Carrick replacement.

 

[Adisa]

City bid £50m for him. I have trouble believing he's as poor as people are saying. Even if you have no confidence in our ability to sign players, another club with a great recent record at big signings, bid similar amount for him.

 

[el3mel]

City bid £50m for him. I have trouble believing he's as poor as people are saying. Even if you have no confidence in our ability to sign players, another club with a great recent record at big signings, bid similar amount for him.

The scouted him then backed off from this deal just like when they backed off from Sanchez because they thought he's not worth the money asked for him. Only morons were gonna pay 50m for him and City aren't morons. He's a 20m midfielder you buy as a squad option as best, but here we're, we paid 50m for him and made him look like a world class with such fee. The only thing I conclude from this is any player City back off from isn't worth getting because their eye in players value is excellent, Sanchez and now this.

 

[bucky]

I don’t really have an opinion on him. He doesn’t look great so far and read mixed reports about how well he’d cope in the PL. Plus Mourinho’s recent transfer record (not to mention the record of the club overall!) is a big black mark against him. He might come good but you’d have to say that’s unlikely.

Sometimes I think a new manager will fix everything but I’m increasingly coming round to the idea we’ll need to tear the whole thing down and start again, building a whole new team from scratch.

Ok, maybe Rashford could become a future member of a title winning team at United... but after him? Feck knows...

Just saying that it's a bit early to write him off, especially since other managers than Mourinho rate him.

 

[Adisa]

The scouted him then backed off from this deal just like when they backed off from Sanchez because they thought he's not worth the money asked for him. Only morons were gonna pay 50m for him and City aren't morons. He's a 20m midfielder you buy as a squad option as best, but here we're, we paid 50m for him and made him look like a world class with such fee. The only thing I conclude from this is any player City back off from isn't worth getting because their eye in players value is excellent, Sanchez and now this.

Shaktar's president said they rejected a bid from City for him cause they didn't want to sell in January. Unless, you're saying he's lying.

 

[Canagel]

Depay videos were better at PSV. Not that it means anything. The guy's style is completely erratic and chaotic. He's just a downgrade version of Herrera when we needed a Carrick replacement.

Nani was erratic and chaotic but he played with a skill and flair and it didn't stop us from winning titles. The difference is you put safer players on the ball behind them to give them that platform. Sadio Mane is erratic and chaotic. Liverpool doesn't have a problem accomadating him , keita lost some balls yesterday too but they play attacking football and when you play on the front foot it can be overlooked because these are the players that will unlock teams. Fred is a player that should be helping us break down smaller teams and I hope to see it under a different manager

 

[Pogue Mahone]

City bid £50m for him. I have trouble believing he's as poor as people are saying. Even if you have no confidence in our ability to sign players, another club with a great recent record at big signings, bid similar amount for him.

I really really hope you’re right. Because then Sanchez will come good too.

And tbf I’m actually not ruling out that possibility myself. Just finding it incredibly hard to be optimistic about anything at the club right now.

 

[el3mel]

Shaktar's president said they rejected a bid from City for him cause they didn't want to sell in January. Unless, you're saying he's lying.

I'm not saying he's lying. I said they thought he's not worth the money and backed off, which is literally what you said. Probably their president told them he wants 50m and they told him to feck off and left, then some morons came with that fee and you know how that went. If City felt with all their money he's not worth coming off with a higher offer then that tells us they wanted him just as a squad option at best and decided he's not worth any more.

 

[AltiUn]

I don’t really have an opinion on him. He doesn’t look great so far and read mixed reports about how well he’d cope in the PL. Plus Mourinho’s recent transfer record (not to mention the record of the club overall!) is a big black mark against him. He might come good but you’d have to say that’s unlikely.

Sometimes I think a new manager will fix everything but I’m increasingly coming round to the idea we’ll need to tear the whole thing down and start again, building a whole new team from scratch.

Ok, maybe Rashford could become a future member of a title winning team at United... but after him? Feck knows...

That's my worry too, I know a lot here think we have loads of really good players and Mourinho's the sole reason they aren't doing well, he's a big part of it but I do think a lot of them just aren't that good. To be honest, I think the board room / Woodward / Mourinho could all do with either shaking up or replacing but obviously that's very unlikely unless the club is sold, I fear we'll see more of the same for the foreseeable future.

 

[Litch]

The scouted him then backed off from this deal just like when they backed off from Sanchez because they thought he's not worth the money asked for him. Only morons were gonna pay 50m for him and City aren't morons. He's a 20m midfielder you buy as a squad option as best, but here we're, we paid 50m for him and made him look like a world class with such fee. The only thing I conclude from this is any player City back off from isn't worth getting because their eye in players value is excellent, Sanchez and now this.

There's something to say about teams being interested in the first place and this would have been based on scouting him over many games. The jury is out on him but equally how can we judge players against the backdrop of the club at present. City haven't always got it right but I 100% believe we wouldn't be having this conversation about his quality if he wore a City or even a Liverpool shirt. Qualification as 'Utd quality' means feck all 19 points behind the leader a week before Christmas so ironically maybe he is.......

 

[el3mel]

Nani was erratic and chaotic but he played with a skill and flair and it didn't stop us from winning titles. The difference is you put safer players on the ball behind them to give them that platform. Sadio Mane is erratic and chaotic. Liverpool doesn't have a problem accomadating him , keita lost some balls yesterday too but they play attacking football and when you play on the front foot it can be overlooked because these are the players that will unlock teams. Fred is a player that should be helping us break down smaller teams and I hope to see it under a different manager

Except for 2010/2011, I don't think there was any universal agreement about Nani among United fans tbh and his inconsistency was always something to argue. Mane has been getting the boot for his selfishness from Pool fans for some time now, and well, the point you're missing here you can actually get with being erratic if you're a winger but midfield is the position of the most consistent players in the team. Wingers can be inconsistent as they try to dribble a lot but midfield is supposed to provide consistent performance most of time, keeping the ball and moving it from back to front. A midfielder who loses the ball, erratic and chaotic in his output will never help you control possession.

Not sure about Keita as he hasn't been a great success at Liverpool so far imo.

 

[Bwuk]

Don’t see it with him.

Could maybe do a similar role to what Matuidi does I.E. midfielder played wide with a high work rate. He’s not a controlling midfielder at all.

 

[el3mel]

There's something to say about teams being interested in the first place and this would have been based on scouting him over many games. The jury is out on him but equally how can we judge players against the backdrop of the club at present. City haven't always got it right but I 100% believe we wouldn't be having this conversation about his quality if he wore a City or even a Liverpool shirt. Utd quality means feck all 19 points behind the leader a week before Christmas. That's nothing to do with Fred's ability....

Scouted him as a squad option, tried to sign him and when it was refused they didn't come with any more offers but they decided he's not worth the money quoted for as a squad option. We on the other hand made him our 4th most expensive signing and brought him to be a starter, there's a difference here if you asked me. We should have never paid that much in him. We make these players look better than they're with these fees while City pay what the player deserves. They spend a lot but none of their signing exceeded 60m as far as I'm concerned.

 

[snk123]

Nani was erratic and chaotic but he played with a skill and flair and it didn't stop us from winning titles. The difference is you put safer players on the ball behind them to give them that platform. Sadio Mane is erratic and chaotic. Liverpool doesn't have a problem accomadating him , keita lost some balls yesterday too but they play attacking football and when you play on the front foot it can be overlooked because these are the players that will unlock teams. Fred is a player that should be helping us break down smaller teams and I hope to see it under a different manager

This!

 

[Litch]

Don’t see it with him.

Could maybe do a similar role to what Matuidi does I.E. midfielder played wide with a high work rate. He’s not a controlling midfielder at all.

To be honest, I'm not sure what he came here as? To me he looks like a players that's forcing things in order to impress...

 

[Adisa]

I'm not saying he's lying. I said they thought he's not worth the money and backed off, which is literally what you said. Probably their president told them he wants 50m and they told him to feck off and left, then some morons came with that fee and you know how that went. If City felt with all their money he's not worth coming off with a higher offer then that tells us they wanted
him just as a squad option at best and decided he's not worth any more.

My point is regardless of what he's worth, City won't bid for a bad player. I can't accept the notion that he can't add anything to our midfield which is what his absence suggests.

I really really hope you’re right. Because then Sanchez will come good too.

And tbf I’m actually not ruling out that possibility myself. Just finding it incredibly hard to be optimistic about anything at the club right now.

I too am finding it difficult to be optimistic. But I find it incredible how every player we sign turns out to be a dud. I don't understand how it's possible. Even notoriously poorly run clubs have better success rates at transfers than we do.
We sign a player and he becomes worse, without fail. There's something rotten at the club.

 

[Bwuk]

To be honest, I'm not sure what he came here as? To me he looks like a players that's forcing things in order to impress...

Agreed I don’t think he’s a fit at all.

I reckon Pep would of played him at left back ala Delph. Mendy was injured when City were lurking.

 

[el3mel]

My point is regardless of what he's worth, City won't bid for a bad player. I can't accept the notion that he can't add anything to our midfield which is what his absence suggests.

It's a thing to want him as a squad option and a different thing to want him as a starter and make him your 4th most expensive signing. He's decent for 20m squad option in midfield. What we paid for him makes him better than what he actually are.

He can be a good option but as a squad player imho. We didn't solve the main problem which is getting a Carrick replacement.

 

[Litch]

Scouted him as a squad option, tried to sign him and when it was refused they didn't come with any more offers but they decided he's not worth the money quoted for as a squad option. We on the other hand made him our 4th most expensive signing and brought him to be a starter, there's a difference here if you asked me. We should have never paid that much in him. We make these players look better than they're with these fees while City pay what the player deserves. They spend a lot but none of their signing exceeded 60m as far as I'm concerned.

Have you seen city's squad option? There is zero disgrace in that cause in most other teams, those would be starters. Have you seen how much football the starter 'Delph' is getting?
Theres something called 'context' and Fred has joined a Utd team that's made the worst start since the beginning of the PL...look around the Utd team and pick a so called star player that's playing anywhere near their ability or value?

 

[el3mel]

Have you seen city's squad option? There is zero disgrace in that cause in most other teams, those would be starters. Theres something called 'context' and Fred has joined a Utd team that's made the worst start since the being of the PL...look around the Utd team and pick a so called star player that's playing anywhere near their ability or value?

We all know he's going to stay and get another chance under the new manager anyway, so not that my opinion is going to change much but I'm really struggling to find anything particularly exceptional in him, what's he best ? shooting ? dribbling ? passing ? tackling ? anything ? What's his best attributes as a footballer ? All it looks to me is he runs a lot and presses the opponent, but that's about it.

 

[Canagel]

Except for 2010/2011, I don't think there was any universal agreement about Nani among United fans tbh and his inconsistency was always something to argue. Mane has been getting the boot for his selfishness from Pool fans for some time now, and well, the point you're missing here you can actually get with being erratic if you're a winger but midfield is the position of the most consistent players in the team. Wingers can be inconsistent as they try to dribble a lot but midfield is supposed to provide consistent performance most of time, keeping the ball and moving it from back to front. A midfielder who loses the ball, erratic and chaotic in his output will never help you control possession.

Not sure about Keita as he hasn't been a great success at Liverpool so far imo.

Wijnaldum also. I've seen him give away easy balls loads of times. The style of football is everything. Liverpool absolutely dominated us yesterday with Fabinho, Keita and Wijnaldum taking the three mifield spots. None of them play like Carrick. They've also used Henderson and Milner. They aren't on Carricks level.
Fred isn't a Carrick replacement for what's its worth - but it shouldn't matter if the manager knows how to set up his midfield in a way which minimizes their weaknesses and plays on the front foot.

 

[el3mel]

Wijnaldum also. I've seen him give away easy balls loads of times. The style of football is everything. Liverpool absolutely dominated us yesterday with Fabinho, Keita and Wijnaldum taking the three mifield spots. None of them play like Carrick.
Fred isn't a Carrick replacement for what's its worth - but it shouldn't matter if the manager knows how to set up his midfield in a way which minimizes their weaknesses and plays on the front foot.

What you're talking about is having a unit bigger than sum of its parts, not that these players themselves are great. I agree that having a good system can cover for some dross, but that won't make these dross great. Same for Fred. He's simply not worth what we paid for him.

 

[Litch]

We all know he's going to stay and get another chance under the new manager anyway, so not that my opinion is going to change much but I'm really struggling to find anything particularly exceptional in him, what's he best ? shooting ? dribbling ? passing ? tackling ? anything ? What's his best attributes as a footballer ? All it looks to me is he runs a lot and presses the opponent, but that's about it.

I have no idea what he is or how good he is but that's made even harder playing in this Utd team. How many times have we seen Utd players leave and look decidedly average when going to a lesser team. Life's a lot easier when your playing with Giggs et al than Matic and Fellaini.

 

[el3mel]

I have no idea what he is or how good he is but that's made even harder playing in this Utd team. How many times have we seen Utd players leave and look decidedly average when going to a lesser team. Life's a lot easier when your playing with Giggs et al than Matic and Fellaini.

I myself hope he proves wrong. Will be pleased if that happens.

 

[Canagel]

What you're talking about is having a unit bigger than sum of its parts, not that these players themselves are great. I agree that having a good system can cover for some dross, but that won't make these dross great. Same for Fred. He's simply not worth what we paid for him.

Fred is far from dross. He's already had good experience in the CL and his good form earned him a place with the Brazil squad . Which has now gone again because he's been given very few chances again no surprises, everyone we sign goes backwards after a few months . Let's see what a new manager will do I'm quite optimistic.

 

[el3mel]

Fred is far from dross. He's already had good experience in the CL and his good form earned him a place with the Brazil squad . Which has now gone again because he's been given very few chances again no surprises, everyone we sign goes backwards after a few months . Let's see what a new manager will do I'm quite optimistic.

Why are you implementing he gone backwards ? Maybe that's just his true form and it's getting more exposed in a faster, more congested and tougher league, as Depay for example, who was world beater in Netherlands but literally every PL full back succeeded in containing him with ease. You can't compare EPL with Ukrainian league. The chance of this is 50-50 at the moment. I hope I'm wrong and he comes well but I can't see it with him personally. These 50m could have been spent better on another type of midfield that we really wanted.

 

[Canagel]

Why are you implementing he gone backwards ? Maybe that's just his true form and it's getting more exposed in a faster, more congested and tougher league, as Depay for example, who was world beater in Netherlands but literally every PL full back succeeded in containing him with ease. You can't compare EPL with Ukrainian league. The chance of this is 50-50 at the moment. I hope I'm wrong and he comes well but I can't see it with him personally. These 50m could have been spent better on another type of midfield that we really wanted.

Backwards I meant his career. Not his form on the pitch or anything . That's why I meant by his inclusion into the Brazil squad. A sign of the progress he made and then he gets his move to United and manager overlooks him because of lack of game time. We sign players without a clue how to integrate them into our squad

 

[el3mel]

Backwards I meant his career. Not his form on the pitch or anything . We sign players without a clue how to integrate them into our squad

To that I agree with.

Anyway I said I hope I'm proven wrong with him and he performs well under the upcoming manager. Will be pleased with that for sure.

 

[TheGame]

Hardly been given a run in the team. Makes a appearance here and there and people are quick to judge. Think he could be a great player for us. Its his first season in the PL. Hope he gets an extended run of games to show what he can do.

 

[Skills]

Might see some grass.

 

[izec]

The happiest alongside Pogba and Pereira i imagine.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Still not convinced he's very good, but at least he should get to show whether he is or not now.

 

[Hoof the ball]

If he had no discernible quality, then City would not have lodged a bid for him. Even if you point out City's reticence to bid higher for him, that in itself doesn't explain City's initial interest in him. If their scouting team thought him adequate enough for a squad role, then it only reasons that he has value to add.