Frank Lampard's Sack Watch / Sacked

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Amadaeus said:
His defense will still cause him trouble. If he invested more wisely in the transfer window, Lampard would have a chance to catch liverpool and Manchester City. However, I have not seen much of Mendy. He might help improve their defense. Still have more faith in lampard than I would Ole.
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Chilwell isn't world class but he will massively improve what they have at LB. The first goal was all Alonso.

Thiago Silva made a brain fart but that's pretty rare in fairness. I did notice he plays quite deep so it's interesting to watch if he fecks up and plays fast players onside too often.
 
VP89 said:
Thiago Silva made a brain fart but that's pretty rare in fairness. I did notice he plays quite deep so it's interesting to watch if he fecks up and plays fast players onside too often.
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That's kinda why I'd like to see Tomori play with Silva. He's probably our fastest player (not to mention the chance to learn from an old head).
 
duffer said:
That's kinda why I'd like to see Tomori play with Silva. He's probably our fastest player (not to mention the chance to learn from an old head).
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Yep. If I'm not mistaken, Thiago's unwillignness to abide by a higher line pissed off Tuschel too. Long may it continue!
 
Another example of how millions spent in attack means nothing with A rotten defense
 
SuperiorXI said:
The backing he has had he has to be expected to win/challenge for the title. Surely?
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Don't think Werner and Havertz are good enough yet to walk into Chelsea and instantly turn them into challengers but we'll see in a season or two. This Chelsea side is still miles away from City/Liverpool imo.
 
Where are like half his new signings? - Chilwell, Ziyech injured?
 
Jezpeza said:
Another example of how millions spent in attack means nothing with A rotten defense
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Not just that, why change the system? I keep hearing about how Ziyech and Pulisic coming back will change things, but even if thats true, its shocking squad depth for the money spent. Last season they played some pretty decent stuff with the 4231 and then fell off a bit at the end of the season. Havertz was a good signing, he's a big upgrade on Mount. Why let the wingers like Willian leave? And I've said it before that Werner isn't a 'top' striker, so I couldn't understand Chelsea's pursuit of him to make him their 9. What they should have done is splash the cash on Aubameyang when he was available last season. Keep the system and make minor adjustments to improve it. Not play football manager
 
Amadaeus said:
His defense will still cause him trouble. If he invested more wisely in the transfer window, Lampard would have a chance to catch liverpool and Manchester City. However, I have not seen much of Mendy. He might help improve their defense. Still have more faith in lampard than I would Ole.
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I think the signings should be made by the Chelsea hierarchy, not him?

I have more faith in OGS than him. Lampard turned the Chelsea defense into shambles. I have never seen a Chelsea defend so poorly ever since the 1990s, and Chelsea will forever be a whipping boy for another top English or UCL clubs until he shores up his defence.
 
el3mel said:
Agree. I believe neither Lampard nor Ole will be in Premier Leauge next season.



Klopp won 2 league titles with BVB, actually.
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Yeah, with Bayern reserves. It’s not something worth writing home about
 
Lampard is lucky that most of the pundits right now are either his ex-team-mates/friends or his cousin.

Any other manager, and we'd be asking a lot of questions of how a team trying to get a top 4 spot after spending 220m was 3-0 down against a newly promoted team
 
FahadiHossein said:
I think the signings should be made by the Chelsea hierarchy, not him?
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Bit of both. I doubt he picked Mendy but he wanted Chilwell and Silva and also had a big part in the Werner & Havertz deals.

Chelsea head coaches don't get full control, not since Roman took over. They can't really get credit or blame for transfers.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Yeah, with Bayern reserves. It’s not something worth writing home about
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He followed the same pattern with BVB as he did with Liverpool. The 2 seasons before he got the job, they finished 9th and 13th. His first 2 seasons in charger were 6th and 5th. He then managed to bring them to win 2 leagues in a row.

So yes he has an experience in turning teams into champions on the high level.
 
Bit like Spurs after they sold Bale that summer under AVB, talented players bought them all at once expecting them to come in and hit the ground running with the ones that are already a work in progress.

I don’t expect all these signings to be hits, like AVB where he went wrong before he got sacked he carried on playing them out of position just like Lampard is doing. Could take him a while to figure out his best team when everyone’s fit.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Not just that, why change the system? I keep hearing about how Ziyech and Pulisic coming back will change things, but even if thats true, its shocking squad depth for the money spent. Last season they played some pretty decent stuff with the 4231 and then fell off a bit at the end of the season. Havertz was a good signing, he's a big upgrade on Mount. Why let the wingers like Willian leave? And I've said it before that Werner isn't a 'top' striker, so I couldn't understand Chelsea's pursuit of him to make him their 9. What they should have done is splash the cash on Aubameyang when he was available last season. Keep the system and make minor adjustments to improve it. Not play football manager
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I hadn't thought About that, good spot. I suppose its almost like A slip into the galatico approach - not much thought about system Or style, just buy a massively expensive team of stars and hope that having enough good players on the pitch makes it work.

They were shit at the back last year and have spent too much money at the top end of the pitch considering that and still look weak there. Ziyech and pulisic wont stop them conceding goals like hot cakes.

Werner is a weird one. For me, he looked to be the sort of player who liked to get in behind, run onto balls at leipzig. Will he thrive in a possession based team playing deeper defenses or be the wrong man for the wrong team? I remember Vardy not hitting a barn door when puel tried to play him as a target man. Lukaku didnt work for us because he needed to run in behind and play facing the goal but we played him as a target man or tried to get him involved in little one twos and triangles when he had no ball control
 
anant said:
Lampard is lucky that most of the pundits right now are either his ex-team-mates/friends or his cousin.

Any other manager, and we'd be asking a lot of questions of how a team trying to get a top 4 spot after spending 220m was 3-0 down against a newly promoted team
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All he has to do is look angry on the touchline and the Pundits disassociate him with the shitshow which is actually his job to fix.
Frank cant be happy with what hes seeing,
He is rightfully angry at the performance of his defenders etc
When does the buck stop with him?
 
cyberman said:
All he has to do is look angry on the touchline and the Pundits disassociate him with the shitshow which is actually his job to fix.
Frank cant be happy with what hes seeing,
He is rightfully angry at the performance of his defenders etc
When does the buck stop with him?
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Christmas, after his signings have had a chance to play.
 
Needs to spend money to fix the defence.

Unfair to judge anybody on the back of literally 3 matches.

They've also got a tonne of players to integrate. Its almost like a new team.
 
cyberman said:
All he has to do is look angry on the touchline and the Pundits disassociate him with the shitshow which is actually his job to fix.
Frank cant be happy with what hes seeing,
He is rightfully angry at the performance of his defenders etc
When does the buck stop with him?
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I think they have too much talent not to turn it around. It’s just so early. If everyone get’s fit
 
njred said:
I think they have too much talent not to turn it around. It’s just so early. If everyone get’s fit
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Not in defence though? And teams still bypass their midfield too easily despite pretending Kovacic is the second coming of Xavi as teams constantly have free runs at their CBs every game.
They need a CB, a DM, GK and a RB imo.
 
That'sHernandez said:
You could have said the same about Klopp three years ago
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You most definitely couldn't. Klopp proved himself to be a world class manager for years with Dortmund, consistently getting his players to perform as more than the sum of their parts, playing arguably the most attractive play style in Europe, players not performing at the same level outside of the club, winning the Bundesliga with anyone other than Bayern, reaching the champions league final... Its not remotely close to the same thing.

Nagelsmann is the guy who is comparable to Klopp.
 
Signing Malang Sarr and then sending him out on loan looks even more bizarre now. He looks to be the best defender Chelsea have.
 
3 nil down after 25 minutes, a lucky 93rd min equaliser and he claims it was 2 points lost for feck sake
 
cyberman said:
3 nil down after 25 minutes, a lucky 93rd min equaliser and he claims it was 2 points lost for feck sake
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There's no luck about pinning teams into their own box and eventually getting your reward and breaking them, you lot of all supporters should know that.
 
Dancfc said:
There's no luck about pinning teams into their own box and eventually getting your reward and breaking them, you lot of all supporters should know that.
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Not really. When youre 3 nil down after 25 minutes and equalise in 93rd minute, its not 2 fecking points dropped.
You pinned plenty of sides down last season and came away with nothing or 1 point. Its not a talent you have.
 
cyberman said:
Not really. When youre 3 nil down after 25 minutes and equalise in 93rd minute, its not 2 fecking points dropped.
You pinned plenty of sides down last season and came away with nothing or 1 point. Its not a talent you have.
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Really? The only games I can think of last season where we were really pinning a team back while losing/drawing were Arsenalx2, Newcastle at home and Liverpool at home

First Arsenal game we got two late goals to turn a loss into a win, the second we found a late goal and stupidly dropped our guard a minute or two later, Newcastle we found a goal in around minute 75 and the Liverpool game they somehow held on.

Brighton would be a more apt game if you wanted to find a game we got the rub of the green, as far as today's game was going it was pretty clear we were getting atleast a point from the minute Mount scored.
 
I feel like Lampard gets too easily fixated on formations once they work. 4-2-3-1 was never the right choice today, but it's what we used almost certainly because we beat Barnsley with it mid-week. West Brom play 3-4-3 - the vulnerable spot there is behind the wingbacks; either you get runners past them or isolate them 1v1 to then look for cutbacks to the halfspace as the CBs drop. Very obviously the best formation to use here is a 4-3-3, Werner LW, CHO RW, Mount and Havertz as 8s, Kante behind. Instead we used Mount at right attacking mid where he was atrocious & killed so many attacks, since he's not great at running in behind and he's certainly not a 1v1 dribbler. Our front four all wanted to play centrally right into the teeth of 3 CBs and 2 CMs, so our only width was from our fullbacks who thus left tons of space behind ostensibly to be covered by the pairing of Kante and Kovacic, who just don't work as a pivot.

Frank deserves credit for switching to 4-3-3 for the second half because this fixed literally every single issue we had, but then he switched away from it for some reason which was insane. I don't know why we aren't just playing 4-3-3 - we played our best football last year after the restart in 4-3-3, Havertz and Mount both work as 8s, and we can have width in our attack without having to use our fullbacks.

Regardless, it's far too soon to consider sacking him obviously. We need the whole team fit; Ziyech and Pulisic are huge misses right now.
 
Dancfc said:
Really? The only games I can think of last season where we were really pinning a team back while losing/drawing were Arsenalx2, Newcastle at home and Liverpool at home

First Arsenal game we got two late goals to turn a loss into a win, the second we found a late goal and stupidly dropped our guard a minute or two later, Newcastle we found a goal in around minute 75 and the Liverpool game they somehow held on.

Brighton would be a more apt game if you wanted to find a game we got the rub of the green, as far as today's game was going it was pretty clear we were getting atleast a point from the minute Mount scored.
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West Ham, Bournemouth off the top of my head.
We were getting a point when we made it 3-1 isnt an argument. I dont think you even created many clear chances after that to be honest
Its a ridiculous comment to make, you fought for a point and should be proud of it but West Brom did not deserve to lose that game.
 
DevilRed said:
Needs to spend money to fix the defence.

Unfair to judge anybody on the back of literally 3 matches.

They've also got a tonne of players to integrate. Its almost like a new team.
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Agreed, but I have no idea why they decided to buy these many players for the 1st team. The thing is that these guys will take atleast 5-8 games to get going, and by then they'd have lost enough points to not fulfill the minimum expectations Roman would have had.

And on the defence, while I'm a bit shocked why they decided to spend 200m on that attack (they needed to spend, but buying 3 attackers wasnt necessary IMO), when they needed to fix the defence at a higher priority. Add to that, I don't think Lampard knows how to set his defence up, which makes the matters worse for them
 
cyberman said:
West Ham, Bournemouth off the top of my head.
We were getting a point when we made it 3-1 isnt an argument. I dont think you even created many clear chances after that to be honest
Its a ridiculous comment to make, you fought for a point and should be proud of it but West Brom did not deserve to lose that game.
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Bournemouth (I assume you're talking about the away game) we were shit and somehow shit housed an undeserved equaliser. If we were pinning them back then you would have only further served to strengthen my point as we got a goal with minutes to go.

West Ham (again I assume you're speaking about the away game) fair point I forgot about that one.
 
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