Given how far you are in the Champions League and how far away you are from champions league spots in the league, surely a actual proper manager would have been a better option?
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Given how far you are in the Champions League and how far away you are from champions league spots in the league, surely a actual proper manager would have been a better option?
Genius move, tbf. Bring back Super Frankie and he’ll slate them for two months and have their morale on the floor for the next guy to come in and get that new manager bounce.
I’m not really sure what @duffer means by this either really.
I’m sure we both discussed this when Potter was appointed and I suggested it was rushed and he thought otherwise.
I picked up a fair bit of stick in the summer being critical of Clearlake but it all seems to have come true.
If Potter was still in place, they couldn't have interviewed Enrique and whoever else they plan to.
Not officially but we all know it happens.
I bet you interviewed Tuchel before Lampard was officially sacked and the same with Potter before Tuchel was sacked.
The news came out we were going to hire Mourinho as Van Gaal was on the pitch at Wembley celebrating with the FA Cup!
Is Super Frank back yet?
When I said drop down I didn’t specifically mean in the table. I just meant they won’t improve and will still lose a few games. Joke of a club.
Ye absolutely. I think a lot of clubs don’t want to sack managers unless they know that their main target to take over wants to join them. That’s why they need to ask people before they sack their current manager. It would be better if it was kept a secret though but as we know everything gets leaked.
No he's gonna return on the date we play them and then revert back to current Frank immediately after
It happens of course but having it out in the open makes the process easier.
If they came to the conclusion that Potter had to go, I can't see any benefit to keeping him in place for the next 7 weeks.
Actually think it makes sense? Hire a club legend to try and bring vibes and then conduct your search for the real thing to get in by June time.
How does it make it easier? I’m genuinely interested as I had no idea that you’re not allowed to conduct a process whilst there is a perm manager in post.
Are you asking how it is easier to do something in the open as opposed to having to do it secretly?
Yeah, and Tuchel was in Munchen for 3 weeks doing shopping and not making the deal about replacing Naglesmann with Bayern.
The clubs do it all the time, if anything this is more unusual and happens when you don't have any plan in place to replace the first team coach. Which makes the sacking of Potter even weirder.
Yes I’m asking what difference makes to the owners and the process as we’ve seen it happen before. How does it become easier?
It does seem Chelsea again have no plan. I suggested it when you sacked Tuchel from memory as the Potter hire and pay out didn’t suggest much thought had gone in to it.
Don't have to worry about leaks, don't have to worry about upsetting the current manager, don't have to worry about upsetting the players, keeps the fans in the loop, lets any prospective manager know that there is 100% a position available.
If we agree that Potter had to go, what are the benefits of keeping him till the end of the season and doing the search under the radar?
None of those seem that important in the grander scheme of things. The way you suggested it made me think there was some kind of legal reason that prevented it from happening. I guess if it’s easier or not is subjective in that case.
Id say keeping Potter makes more sense given so few games left. Again, depends what’s going on behind the scenes and if the dressing room has been lost so to speak.
He’s worked with the players longer, has all his own coaches and brings some kind of consistency. I can’t see the logic in letting him go and appointing someone like Lampard anyway.
Every time he comes back.
He’s like Jason by now.
He'd certainly brought consistency! The lowest win ratio and goals ratio of any Chelsea manager for decades (including Lampard). you don't want that kind of consistency.
Potter is a better manager than Lampard. He's just seemingly utterly unequipped for the Chelsea job. That's not his fault but it is what it is.
I guess that’s the point really. Is Lampard better equipped to finish the season than Potter? I’m not so sure.
I think you or I are better equipped to finish the season as Chelsea manager than Potter and we're just a couple of true blue Chelsea fans.
Sacking Potter was necessary and Lampard (tory cnut) is no less sensible a choice than the average caretaker manager. People are being odd about this, for the bants, I guess.
I mean I think it’s unusual to reappoint someone that already failed at the club recently, and already failed at another club in the very same season no?
Has the small of a Ralph Ringneck about it.
Ahh come on. Shutting down any discussion about Chelsea by insinuating those talking about it are Chelsea fans is a bit crass.
Seen it thrown out a few times, not always by you, and it seems a bit of a cop out.
I'm not shutting down anything, you asked if Lampard was better equipped than Potter and I answered "yes" in a jokey way.
Anyway, let's not argue here, better to do it on in private over a beer at Stamford Bridge next home game.
As I say much of what I said in the summer has come true. I’m not arguing but you disagreed with me then too.
I think trying to make out anyone who talks about Chelsea is a Chelsea fan (cause you don’t like what they are saying) is crass. Especially when they are trying to have a genuine discussion.
Good thing I don't do that then. It wouldn't be "crass" but it would be incredibly stupid to suggest anyone who talks about Chelsea is a Chelsea fan.
Imagine this place if it all goes tits up with ETH and the club gives Solskjaer a call to return as interim...
The good case scenario for Chelsea is that Lampard's appointment is them basically throwing the towel in. A mea culpa gesture with the promise of a full reset next summer.
The bad case scenario is that they are actually looking for someone who will keep his mouth shut and handle the dressing room while they decide on the transfer policy.
It would but I see it trotted out a fair bit by you blues tbf.
I’m sure you’re not all stupid either!
Sacking Potter was the right call but surely they could have let one of the coaches to manage whilst hiring Enrique/Naglesmann both of whom are free agents this season only. Would've helped them judge the current players better and they wouldn't have been in any sort of pressure?
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Imagine this place if it all goes tits up with ETH and the club gives Solskjaer a call to return as interim...
Not only that but imagine if Solskjaer had been managing a relegation candidate in that same season and had recently been sacked by them for poor performance… and then he came back to United.
I couldn’t even see the Glazers going for that and that says something.
In principle you are right, but the problem is that Lampard quite recently failed at Chelsea and quite a lot of his players are still there. And another problem is that Chelsea isn't at a point where "just vibes" would be helpful. There is no established system, no clear squad hierarchy.
Such a "just vibes" approach works if these basics are there and you just need to lift the mood (which can be quite difficult and is really a skill if you can do it quickly). So Mourinho -> Solskjaer worked, but Potter -> Lampard won't have the same effect, I am absolutely sure about that.
All these talks about a caretaker manager make me mad at how we handled the Ole appointment. If we didn't offer him that fulltime contract and let him just do his job as the caretaker manager, he would have become our best caretaker manager in history (And most beloved too). We'd have him ready to step in whenever we sack any managers later too because he loved the club.
But then we had to screw up and gave him that full-time contract. After his 3rd season (Massive failure), I think rarely anyone welcomes the idea of him ever coming back even as a caretaker anymore.
But then we had to screw up and gave him that full-time contract. After his 3rd season (Massive failure), I think rarely anyone welcomes the idea of him ever coming back even as a caretaker anymore.
It was just an unnecessary appointment. If they wanted to sack Potter, they could just as easily have let Bruno or whichever backroom team member take the reins for the rest of the season.
You pretty much want a caretaker to go under the radar and attract as little attention as possible in a situation like they are in. Instead they've brought a man back who not only failed with them, but also failed with Everton. Great for the neutral, but not for Chelsea.
But I mean, it's what, 12 games? They'll finish mid table and lose to Madrid. I don't think any manager can do better than that with the current reality.
They will then make their appointment with the future in mind and no one will remember now. A little similar to us last season.
Chelsea DNA, obvs