Better than Ole
Frank Lampard | Coventry City?
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Frank had a massive amount of assistance whilst at derby with the loan system. He got in Tomori and Mount via Chelsea, he brought in Andy King (ex Chelsea youth, albeit he rarely played for Derby), George Evans (ex City who Lampard knew), and Ashley Cole whom obviously Lampard knew well. All good players who cold have done a job for most premiership teams.
This helped him massively at Derby, yet he still couldn't get into the premiership.
At Chelsea he showed some good promise, and he done well considering the restraints he was under, but I don't think he would have taken you anywhere near what Tuchel has taken you, top four contenders was all you were likely to be under Lampard.
He seems a very good bloke and I hope he makes it.
However, any rating on his managerial career until now is a bit early I would say.
I think he'll do fine at Everton if they survive.
However, any rating on his managerial career until now is a bit early I would say.
I think he'll do fine at Everton if they survive.
Really hope he can keep them up, it would be such a shame to see Everton drop into the championship.
But nah seriously, it would be hilarious.
But nah seriously, it would be hilarious.
If Norwich and possibly Everton getting relegated next season will be tough for Liverpool
Let's keep in mind that Derby was his first step into the world of management. I'm not arguing that he was amazing. He absolutely wasn't. I just don't look at that season as underachievement or something that reflects negatively on him.
I don't disagree with anything you said on his time at Chelsea.
Context is more important. Arteta should have been sacked multiple times given arsenal's form but Arsenal board offered him more time than Lampard or Ole. Let us not forget last season in December they were 15th, no manager of a top team would have survived that. Jury is still out on Arteta and I won't yet call him better than Ole or Lampard just because he is still in the job.
Maybe but if you shoved say Tuchel in there and made it 4 manager debate I think the only person on the planet that would argue the German isn't top of that list would be TY.
The debate and flipflopping has come about because all three are incredibly streaky and flawed managers.
I wouldn’t fancy the run they have, they’re in trouble.
You are definitely right, I think his goal was to get promotion, certainly they were aiming for that, which he didn't get, but only by fine margins so by that regards he didn't under achieve at Derby.
Again it’s irrelevant. He joined the club in January when half the season had gone. And he actually won the league with Molde…twice and their domestic cup.
Anyway, Cardiff and Molde are irrelevant in my opinion. Ole trumps Arteta in the PL, and that’s showing by how he did in the league and in other comps.
This is how it will always be with these former English players becoming coaches....the biased media will always protect them and make a list of excuses for their failures/shortcomings.
Lampard is just not ready for managing a PL club. The guy's pressing structure is random and unorganized...his defensive structure..where do I start with that...
People always blame the players and that's fair sometimes but it doesn't absolve his nativity and inability to coach a proper defensive structure...we all saw that at Chelsea under him and thought it was the players but the same players he called average and blamed became European champions with Tuchel.
Also how naive is he to have such a set up against an Antonio Conte team...we all know how good his teams are in counter attacking even this crap Spurs side.
Honest question - why do you post on a football forum if you believe fan's opinions are irrelevant?
Honest answer: because it's fun and addictive (seriously, it's like crack, this place)
I do post here with the knowledge that what I know of football is way less than what is going on, and as long as I operate in that bubble then it's all good.
Need to start a sack watch thread
They needed Big Sam, so stupid going for a novice like Lampard.
Think Frank is a bit of myth regarding management. He is living off his playing career.
And his high IQ.
That as well. Connections with his Uncle 'Arry.
He's going to take them down, they’re in absolute free fall.
Said to a few friends they’re going to struggle. The fixtures they have remaining are brutal.
I feel for him. The players have given up. The only one that cares and gives his absolute all each week is Gordon.
They did and the fans hated his football, your club is in trouble, feck the style of football.
Im lazy to start a new thread so this one will work fine.
How does Cafe feel about Everton potentially going down?
I personally find it sad as it's one of the biggest clubs in England. They've been part of top flight for so long and usually closer to the top of the table rather than bottom
On the other hand i know they lack simpathy from our fans being Scouse and singing Munich chants few years back and probably some other things that i don't really know about.
How does Cafe feel about Everton potentially going down?
I personally find it sad as it's one of the biggest clubs in England. They've been part of top flight for so long and usually closer to the top of the table rather than bottom
On the other hand i know they lack simpathy from our fans being Scouse and singing Munich chants few years back and probably some other things that i don't really know about.
Don't they have 3 games less played than Watford? They aren't going down
I find it hilarious.
What are the odds on Lamps getting sacked before the end of the season? Dreadful manager
Think they are saying they are very difficult games, so no guarantee they will win them. They probably won't go down, but with Lampard they could be in same position next season.
If it was the other way around, they‘d be hoping for us to get relegated for a laugh. So feck them and laugh at their misfortune.
To be a fly in the stands at Goodison Park the day this rabble go down. There will be blood.
Their fixture list is a bit of a killer as well. I’d fire Frank right now
Next 5 matches could seal it.
What do you think about his January transfers with the team needing a lift?
Obviously, it’s all very easy to judge in hindsight, but a player who couldn’t get into a terrible United midfield, a player who hasn’t played well for 2-3 years, two young full backs with no experience at a higher level and a very average winger who couldn’t get in Villa’s team?
There were no “sure bets” or seemingly any real thought behind the players they were signing. All no experience/visibility low on confidence.
Lampard will be the fall guy but who, ultimately, gets the blame for building such a terrible squad? Brands? Was January just a desperate hit and hope to try and fix his handiwork?
Lampard only signed VDB and Dele and only had a couple of days to do any deals. The others were signed by Benitez/The Owner. The club has been treated like a FM project by the owner and we are now seeing what happens if you try to play god with something you have no knowledge about.
I feel a little for him, but his appointment was another in a long line of daft decisions.
In your position you’d have been miles better off getting in someone like Big Sam as interim, someone with a history of getting players not to give up.
Who agreed the Digne sale?
Nice to see things going badly for him, though it wasn't an enviable task taking over that side.
Dreadful manager, absolutely incompetent. Just like Solskjær, he isn’t really a manager.