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United ready to dispense with Veron
By Alan Nixon
05 July 2002
Manchester United will cash in on Juan Sebastian Veron to raise money for Sir Alex Ferguson's summer spending if one of the Argentinian's European admirers can offer in excess of £20m.

Veron has sworn his loyalty to Ferguson, the United manager, for standing by him after a disappointing debut season at Old Trafford, but now financial issues are taking over the question of his future.

Rio Ferdinand will cost more than the £28m that Ferguson thought would force Leeds United to sell. A fee closer to £35m may be needed to make the Elland Road club sell their England defender.Ferguson will be given money for Ferdinand and three other purchases but there will have to be one major player sold in order to partially balance the books.
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>United ready to dispense with Veron
By Alan Nixon
05 July 2002
Manchester United will cash in on Juan Sebastian Veron to raise money for Sir Alex Ferguson's summer spending if one of the Argentinian's European admirers can offer in excess of £20m.

Veron has sworn his loyalty to Ferguson, the United manager, for standing by him after a disappointing debut season at Old Trafford, but now financial issues are taking over the question of his future.

Rio Ferdinand will cost more than the £28m that Ferguson thought would force Leeds United to sell. A fee closer to £35m may be needed to make the Elland Road club sell their England defender. &lt;b&gt;Ferguson will be given money for Ferdinand and three other purchases but there will have to be one major player sold in order to partially balance the books.&lt;/b&gt;

Everton are poised to sign the Nigerian World Cup defender Joseph Yobo from the French side Marseilles.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I've read that Leeds are as much as £60m in the red. They'll have to sell at least 2 or 3 good players to recoup that amount of money, and one of them will have to be Rio.
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They'll be forced to accept any offer above £25m for Rio, if the saga carries on. Unless they start offloading some of their other players, they're gonna have to make do with whatever they're offered for Rio, regardless of who offers it.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
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I've read that Leeds are as much as £60m in the red. They'll have to sell at least 2 or 3 good players to recoup that amount of money, and one of them will have to be Rio.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Depends how much of that is short term debt and how much is long term..
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I'd rather have Gallas at 7m to be honest. That's a potentiak 18-20m difference between two defenders with comparable skills. It would allow us much more flexbility to bring a replacement for Irwin in, as well as maybe sign Duff as well.
 
I would prefer to keep Veron, I believe he is/will be a useful member of our squad.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>Selling one player is surely better than selling several players?</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you are refering to Leeds selling Rio or selling few of Keane/Bowyer/Dacourt etc... Their fans said more than once that they rather sell few...
Don't know their PLC opinion about it but from what Ridsdale said it looks like he has the same opinion
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If any midfield player leaves OT, I think it will be either Giggs or Scholes, not Verón.

Reasons I've put forward in threads before, especially regarding Giggs.
 
It doesn't matter what the fans think at the end of the day. Risdale may have to resort to the cash for Rio, no matter how many people disagree. Especially if the players they're trying to offload don't want to leave (Keane)
 
Originally posted by CremboMan:
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If you are refering to Leeds selling Rio or selling few of Keane/Bowyer/Dacourt etc... Their fans said more than once that they rather sell few...
Don't know their PLC opinion about it but from what Ridsdale said it looks like he has the same opinion</strong><hr></blockquote>

Is using the ICQ so difficult?

As for Leeds, well, if thats what they want to do than thats their own downfall. It's obvious it's got nothing to do with Rio himself, it's about not selling to the enemy. Selling Keane and Dacourt along with Bowyer and a couple of others will weaken them substantially.

Anyhow, I'm not bothered. There was a decent article on Team talk a week ago about Rio and Fergie. If the players want to move to United than he can make it happen. If not, he's not so hot that we can't afford to miss out on.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>I'd rather have Gallas at 7m to be honest. That's an 18-25m difference for two defenders with comparable skills. It would allow us much more flexbility to bring a replacement for Irwin in, as well as maybe sign Duff as well.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If we don't sell Veron, I rather we buy Gallas or Ayala (or both) than spend 25-30m on Rio.

But at the moment I'm inclined to sell Veron and buy Rio for that money. I think Veron is a terrific player, but I think he'll find it hard succeeding here..;(
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Ayala is good 'back-up-buy' in my opinion, especially if Seba stays. He has clearly stated he'd be interested in coming here, and Valencia are prepared to sell, for a reasonable price.
 
I think we can land Gallas or Rio but not both, since that would set us back at least 33-35m or more. Ayala and Gallas seems more realistic for about 20m combined, which wouldn't necessarily rule out a move for Duff.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>I think we can land Gallas or Rio but not both, since that would set us back at least 33-35m or more. Ayala and Gallas seems more realistic for about 20m combined, which wouldn't necessarily rule out a move for Duff.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly
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I'm not too bothered about Duff to be honest. As you said in an earlier thread, strengthening the defense is the priority this summer.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
<strong>I'm not too bothered about Duff to be honest. As you said in an earlier thread, strengthening the defense is the priority this summer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think we have to strengthen the defense as well as introduce some fresh blood in the attack.
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I think we're ok for attackers at the moment.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
<strong>I'm not too bothered about Duff to be honest. As you said in an earlier thread, strengthening the defense is the priority this summer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Signing a player like Duff would give us incredible options in the attack. He can play on the left or right, as well as at Striker. He can fill in for Giggsy when he gets his yearly hamstring injury. Fantastic attacker, and a United fan to boot. ;)
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Originally posted by blythy:
<strong>I think we're ok for attackers at the moment.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't agree

I'm not slating the ones we've got, because I think they're quality, but I reckon we need another type of player

We did seem to struggle last year creating chances against well organised teams
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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That will cover the salary for the tea-lady at Carrington

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe a swap plus cash deal for Duff. ;)
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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Maybe a swap plus cash deal for Duff. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

That would be great, but I honestly think we'll have to cut our losses on Yorke, as I don't see any managers paying any more than a couple of million for him
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Fair point AEBM. But, like I said, I'd rather concentrate on solidarity at the back, because we still have proven goalscorers up there, who will score goals for us.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
<strong>Fair point AEBM. But, like I said, I'd rather concentrate on solidarity at the back, because we still have proven goalscorers up there, who will score goals for us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, they will score goals when chances are created

But I agree that the defense must be priority, but I think Sir Alex has faith in both Brown and O'Shea, hence I don't reckon we'll see more than one proven defender being bought now that Blanc has signed.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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That would be great, but I honestly think we'll have to cut our losses on Yorke, as I don't see any managers paying any more than a couple of million for him</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree. IF we were to sign Duff, we should offer a swap deal, accept whatever they offer for Yorke, and pay them the rest of Duff's value. Lets face it, we've lost a lot of cash on Yorke. Why lose any more by paying his wages.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>I'll be happy when the transfer are finished. The anticpation is nausiating.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> I bet you couldn't wait for Christams when you were a kid!
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> I bet you couldn't wait for Christams when you were a kid!</strong><hr></blockquote>

you are correct. ;)
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Nah - he was worth every penny we paid for him for his first two seasons

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

The Treble year alone was worth the 12m.
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Suppose I agree really. Its easy to forget what Yorke achieved in those years. Shame really.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
<strong>Ayala is good 'back-up-buy' in my opinion, especially if Seba stays. He has clearly stated he'd be interested in coming here, and Valencia are prepared to sell, for a reasonable price.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not quite clear how we would buy two central defenders, when Blanc has just extended. It might well end up being just one.
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What I meant was not back-up as in reserve, but 'back-up' as in if we don't get Rio ;)

I agree. One CB is suffice now.
 
Rich where did all of these Gallas stories come from today ? I can't find them on any other websites ?
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
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I'm not quite clear how we would buy two central defenders, when Blanc has just extended. It might well end up being just one.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's true, because we'll have four then (Blanc, Brown, O'Shea and AN Other + Gary can play there if needed). But Gallas can play across the back four, and we do need more cover on the fullbacks IMO.
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