Former players who deserved a shot at a higher level

Nonsense.

I'll leave aside the higher level part of the question, but where exactly do you think RVP could have gone and been successful?

The guy was made of glass in those days. It might have been 2008 or the year before where he injured his foot celebrating a goal and was out for the rest of the season. In fact, it was 2007. No other club or manager would have had the patience with 2008 Van Persie and his injuries. He had three separate injuries that season.

He missed several months of every single season up until the 2011-12, after which he promptly left. I can't think of another top club where he would have remained first choice for so long. He would have been sold or demoted to back up striker ages ago.

He made 44 and 33 appearances in the two seasons between 2009/10 where he only made 20. Then in his last two seasons he made 33 and 48.

Louis Saha was made of glass too and Fergie stuck with him.

I know it’s tough for Arsenal fan to admit. But after 2008 you weren’t competing at a high level and were fighting with Villa for 4th place.

Sometimes when players go to other clubs their injury records improve. So yeah Van Persie should have left in 2008 and there would have been tons of clubs after him. He was linked with us in 2009.
 
Di Natale, IMO — could've played for a club with a bigger profile than Udinese (Juventus were reportedly very interested in signing him), but didn't, and ended up winning zero collective trophies at club level despite scoring 103 Serie A goals in 4 seasons at his peak and finishing as the Capocannoniere twice.

Also, Mauro Silva. Deportivo La Coruña did reasonably well when he was there with Makaay and Tristán and Naybet, but he could have played for a truly elite team that competed for the Champions League crown on a consistent basis (can totally envision him occupying Karembeu's spot for Madrid, for example).



A true force of nature! :drool:
 
Wasn't he about 34 when you wanted to sign him? Would've been short term move although it did work with Sheringham so Fergie was probably looking for similar impact.

Edit: Di Canio didn't win a single Italy cap so he certainly qualifies for this thread.

I didn't realise Di Canio was uncapped, it bit like Bruce in the fact a player of that talent and consistency should have at least a handful, no matter how strong the competition at the time was. Although I'd imagine his rumoured political allegiances made it hard to include him, combined with already having Zola and Del Piero already in the role ( and maybe Totti, or was he not playing regularly then?)
 
Not sure why but when I saw this thread Luis Fabiano came to mind. Absolutely lethal striker on his day.

I think the Lyon team in the late 2000s early 2010s had a few as well... Lopez, Bastos, Juninho, Toulalan etc.

Di Natale is a great shout as well.

Edit: Srna at Shaktar as well, one of the best RBs of his generation but will never get that credit outside of Croatia.
 
Di Canio played for AC Milan (when they were the best side in the world), Juventus, Napoli and Lazio.

He had more than a chance at a higher level than West Ham!
 
He made 44 and 33 appearances in the two seasons between 2009/10 where he only made 20. Then in his last two seasons he made 33 and 48.

Louis Saha was made of glass too and Fergie stuck with him.

I know it’s tough for Arsenal fan to admit. But after 2008 you weren’t competing at a high level and were fighting with Villa for 4th place.

Sometimes when players go to other clubs their injury records improve. So yeah Van Persie should have left in 2008 and there would have been tons of clubs after him. He was linked with us in 2009.

The 2010-11 season and 2011-12 season? In the former he made 25 league appearances, so he was injured for at least 10 games

Yeah Sir Alex stuck with Saha so much that he sold him to Everton after four years at the club.

There were seasons when we were down in the muck fighting for 4th and others where we were up there challenging. At some point in the latter seasons, the wheels fell off around February/March. Why you might ask? Because of injuries to our key players like Van Persie.

After 2008 we made a CL semi-final, FA cup semi-final and a league cup final. In the 2011 season I remember us being in 2nd challenging for the league but then we lost the League cup final to Birmingham. Who injured himself in that final and missed part of the run in? Van Persie. As usual, the team collapsed.

The problem with Van Persie was that he didn't get muscle injuries that often, it was knee and foot injuries every season. I remember us being linked to the likes of David Villa and Aguero, way before they had their breakthroughs. But no one even contemplated signing them because we had Van Persie.

Should have sold him years ago because I guarantee you once again no other manager would have stuck with him like Wenger did.
 
Iv'e got a feeling that this thread may be deemed unnecessary as its not to dissimilar to threads like players you had forgotten existed, and underrated players type thread, but having watched numerous premiership years recently I wanted to try my own variation. what players do you think from the premiership era deserved a shot at a higher level but for whatever reason never materialised despite the fact they would have been easily obtainable at the time.

Doesn't necessarily have to be as a star man but a very useful edition to the squad when there was a clear deficiency at a title hopeful at the time. Also not sure players like Le Tissier or Juninho belong on here as I don't think they were really willing to move.

Tugay
One of my favourite players to watch of the premier Leauge Era and the main reason I created the thread, I can't remember the specifics but don't know why he wasted so many quality years at a middling club like Blackburn. At a time we had Djemba-Djemba and Kleberson watching a middling Blackburn side have someone better than the 2 put together was perplexing, strong in the tackle, absolute thunderbolt of a shot and great passing range, really thought he would have been great at any club.

Brad Fridel
Another Blackburn player, considering the trouble we had replacing Schemicheal there was a possible solution only 30 miles away, wouldn't have been hard to notice him as he always produced a world class performers against us we got our answer when we hot Van Der Saar but then clubs like Arsenal had keeper issues yet nobody seemed to want him, among the best keepers in the premiership era.

Olof Melberg
Eventually got his shot at the big time at Juventus but only lasted a year (not sure why) but always felt he was better suited to the premiership as he loved a physical battle, can see why Liverpool and Chelsea never went for him as they always had solid partnerships during his peak, but ourselves untill we signed Vidic and Arsenal throughout could have used him to great affect.

Kevin Phillips
Was never going to be leading man for any title chasing club but would have been a useful cover or option for the bench, he reminded me of out own Ole in the way he finished, his all round player was solid albeit unspectacular but if you gave him one chance he usually buried it, with better service I suspect he would have got 20+ Leauge goals.

Feel free to add players from Europe who never played for an elite club but you felt could have done, I'm mostly fo using on the premiership as that is what I watched most during these era's.
Friedel played for Liverpool for 3 seasons..
 
I was going to name Mauro Silva, but since Invictus did, I'll say Fran, also from that era of Deportivo, although there were others, like Naybet or Tristán. Because of my location in the stadium, he was the player I have seen the most in my life. Good left leg, with good crosses and a great sense of the game.
There was even a moment of much hype, in a match of the national team that won 8-0 to Austria.
Fran was not the smartest of the class, and I think that as soon as Madrid approached him, he was quickly convinced by Lendoiro (the president).
Tristán was technically great. The story tells that in a meeting Florentino asked him if he party a lot and Tristán replied "you want a football player or a nun", and that's where the meeting ended. Anyway the precontract had been signed with Lorenzo Sanz, the previous president and Florentino wanted to get rid of all related to him(as happened to Redondo).
 
Mostovoi, was one of the best 10 in la liga. He could have played in a much better team, although it is true that he earned a lot, Celta played very well, and he and Karpin did what they wanted in the city.
 
Simao
One of the best wingers in the world at one point, he should've gone on to play for a giant club.

Maniche
Scored some spectacular goals and a very good player.

Roberto Ayala
 
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I don't really remember him, but Kinkladze was one of my brothers favourite City players. Maybe he could've played at an higher level?

Jeremy touloulan. Had incredible passing range
Great answer! I really loved him as a player. Was one of my favourite players from Pellegrini's Malaga.
He at least played a few years in CL as did Arteta for Arsenal. From that period Tim Cahill never did for example.
True, but I think he could've played for title contenders in some leagues.
Also, Mauro Silva. Deportivo La Coruña did reasonably well when he was there with Makaay and Tristán and Naybet, but he could have played for a truly elite team that competed for the Champions League crown on a consistent basis (can totally envision him occupying Karembeu's spot for Madrid, for example).



A true force of nature! :drool:


:drool:

I completely agree - he was an incredible player. Though, to be fair, he was playing at the highest level for a season or two with Super Depor when they won the league, and was playing alongside so many other fantastic players like Makaay, Tristan, Valeron, Djalminha, etc as you mentioned and still standing out.

Imagine having him sitting next to a box-to-box Keano? :devil:
I was going to name Mauro Silva, but since Invictus did, I'll say Fran, also from that era of Deportivo, although there were others, like Naybet or Tristán. Because of my location in the stadium, he was the player I have seen the most in my life. Good left leg, with good crosses and a great sense of the game.
There was even a moment of much hype, in a match of the national team that won 8-0 to Austria.
Fran was not the smartest of the class, and I think that as soon as Madrid approached him, he was quickly convinced by Lendoiro (the president).
Tristán was technically great. The story tells that in a meeting Florentino asked him if he party a lot and Tristán replied "you want a football player or a nun", and that's where the meeting ended. Anyway the precontract had been signed with Lorenzo Sanz, the previous president and Florentino wanted to get rid of all related to him(as happened to Redondo).
You know, I loved that Deportivo team, but I don't have the best memory of Fran. He was similar to Giggs if memory serves me right, which sometimes it doesn't!

I loved Tristan, though! Him and Makaay were so lethal together. Regarding Naybet, I believe we were linked with him at one point but obviously nothing came of it. Nice post anyway, @carvajal !
 
I always thought it was weird that Peter Shilton and Terry Butcher never played for the really big English clubs (I appreciate Forest and Ipswich were great sides while they were there). Big Ron tried to sign them both for United I think.
Another thread says Utd wouldn't pay Shilton's 200 pound a week wage "demands". Forest and Clough only too happy to do so. They wouldn't have won the league without him.
 
The man who was so good, you had to say his name twice (no, not Djemba Djemba lol). Jay Jay Okacha. The man was amazing...




Yes. This guy. Absolutely unreal and insanely talented. He could do things with the ball a lot of other star players could only dream of. A real maestro and leader for Bolton. Humble too. He deserved to play for the biggest clubs in the world.
 
The 2010-11 season and 2011-12 season? In the former he made 25 league appearances, so he was injured for at least 10 games

Yeah Sir Alex stuck with Saha so much that he sold him to Everton after four years at the club.

There were seasons when we were down in the muck fighting for 4th and others where we were up there challenging. At some point in the latter seasons, the wheels fell off around February/March. Why you might ask? Because of injuries to our key players like Van Persie.

After 2008 we made a CL semi-final, FA cup semi-final and a league cup final. In the 2011 season I remember us being in 2nd challenging for the league but then we lost the League cup final to Birmingham. Who injured himself in that final and missed part of the run in? Van Persie. As usual, the team collapsed.

The problem with Van Persie was that he didn't get muscle injuries that often, it was knee and foot injuries every season. I remember us being linked to the likes of David Villa and Aguero, way before they had their breakthroughs. But no one even contemplated signing them because we had Van Persie.

Should have sold him years ago because I guarantee you once again no other manager would have stuck with him like Wenger did.
Not to mention that he was dallying on signing a contract extension even in the 2011 season. It had struck me as ominous at the time, if this injury prone player wants to leave when not even on form, what will he do if he becomes injury free - and we know what he did. If he someone else would've been in for him the mercenary would've left long ago.
 
Think that Totti guy at Roma could've taken a shot at the highest level. :wenger:

edit: oh premiership only my bad.

Ehhh, Eriksen is good enough for any club in the world imho. Ofcourse Spurs is sort of included in the top if you define it broadly, but he wouldn't be out of place at the likes of Barca, Real, Bayern etc.
 
Simao
One of the best wingers in the world at one point, he should've gone on to play for a giant club.

Maniche
Scored some spectacular goals and a very good player.

Roberto Ayala

Simao played for Barca and it didn't work out.

Maniche played for Chelsea and it didn't work out.

Ayala won the league with Valencia who were one of the big four in Spain at the time.

Someone has mentioned Okocha but he's a prime example of my point of playing for the likes of Bolton for a reason. He was clearly immensely talented but he was rarely consistent, pure highlights player and cause nobody watched Bolton every week we only ever remember the good stuff.
 
Stephen Carr could definitely have played for a top side at his peak (calm down Spurs fans, it’s not a dig).

I also never understood how Di Natale wasn’t at a big club. He was a fantastic striker.
 
Le Tissier gets a fair amount of replies in threads like this and sure he was a fine creative player but he was also a complete lazy-assed-sod.

Remember one day hearing that Le Tiss pulled out of a Soton home game due to having a stomach bug only to see him 20 minutes away from the ground stuffing his face with burger and chips.
 
De Gea?

Best keeper in the world and only

1X pl (5 years ago)
1 X Uefa
1 Fa Cup
1 League Cup

On a more serious note - Ledly King
if it wasnt for his knees he could have been one of the best defenders in Europe and although spurs have a pretty good team now at the time they were less so
 
Cristian Chivu, a very very underrated defender. (even though Ronaldo ripped him when Roma played at OT and we scored 7)

Pablo Aimar as well.
 
Alex de Souza. Played most of his European career at Fenerbahce. Looked a class act a lot of the time. Had a small spell at Parma but played mostly in Brazil.
 
Andreas D'Alessandro
Looked beastly when on loan to Portsmouth, think he had a big hand in helping them stay up.

Didn't really do much after that as far as I recall...
 
Going to be controversial but Glenn Hoddle's trophy cabinet is a relatively sparse considering. Certainly in this country.

More current.......Zaha. I know he had a 'shot' but not really, and he's heading towards this list.
 
Steve Bull.

Scored millions of goals in the lower leagues for Wolves. Scored a few goals for England aswell in his 6-7 caps and went to 90 World cup.

Never played in premier league.

Came here to post this. Fantastic player.
 
Steve Bull.

Scored millions of goals in the lower leagues for Wolves. Scored a few goals for England aswell in his 6-7 caps and went to 90 World cup.

Never played in premier league.

The greatest player never to play Premier League football.

In the days where loyalty was more important to some players than glory or earnings.