For those of you who want Fergie out...

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Would you really prefer the new manager that the board would bring in?

The names that were being thrown around last year would probably be at the top of the plc's list again...such as Hitzfeld and Sven.

Hitzfeld has recently stated that he wants to stay at Bayern Munich until the end of his contract which runs out in 2004. He seems to be the kind of man who says what he means. From some reports, it sounds like he's already passed on the job once.

How many of you would prefer Sven to Fergie? Personally, I think Sven's overly cautious and isn't strong enough tactically. I don't think he'd do a terrible job for us but I can't see him inspiring a team to great heights either.

I think McClaren's done a great job over at Middlesbrough. Although it's still early days for him, I think he could be a great choice for us one day. But I don't think there's any way the plc would take a chance on someone unproven like him. Remember their rigid criteria last year...had to have won trophies at the highest level, etc.

PLC's are conservative. They go for what they think is the safe and proven option. At minimum, they want to be able to justify their choice if it all goes pear-shaped. I don't think they're going to take a leap into the dark and take a chance on someone unproven like McClaren.

Which leaves me with the question..who do you think the PLC would choose that would do a better job than Fergie?
 
maybe they think they could control someone like david moyes with fergie looking on from a position of influence? everton links anyone?
 
Originally posted by Sharkey:
<strong>maybe they think they could control someone like david moyes with fergie looking on from a position of influence? everton links anyone?</strong><hr></blockquote>

but possilbly the best of the availables would be o neill for me.. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
Its a joke to want fergie out, after all he has done, and what exactly has he done wrong. Our hard-men are injured, shit happens. The players are to blame.
 
Originally posted by Ninja:
<strong>Its a joke to want fergie out, after all he has done, and what exactly has he done wrong. Our hard-men are injured, shit happens. The players are to blame.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's wrong to want Fergie out, I agree.

But why did he get a knighthood? Because he had the credit for the success. SO he has to take his share of responsibility for failure.

He's too stubborn by far.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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It's wrong to want Fergie out, I agree.

But why did he get a knighthood? Because he had the credit for the success. SO he has to take his share of responsibility for failure.

He's too stubborn by far.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nobodys perfect, but he hasnt lost his love for the club, which is something you cant replace.
 
Originally posted by Ninja:
<strong>Its a joke to want fergie out, after all he has done, and what exactly has he done wrong. Our hard-men are injured, shit happens. The players are to blame.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I understand how you feel, but a manager will always come under fire when he prepares a team that turns up for a derby game with the attitude we did yesterday. It will always reflect badly on the guy who sent them out of the dressing room.

Rollicking them at full time was too late - they should have come out for the second half like scalded cats. SAF, more than anyone, will realise that.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>He's too stubborn by far.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes he is, which is one reason that he has won so much. People said that he was doing wrong before that game with Palace calling for his head, yet he was right. People said he was wrong when Ince and Kanchelskis left calling for his head, yet he was right. People then called him a god when we won the Treble, and yet again he was right.

Now people are calling for his head when we are fifth (really on point behind third and fourth) a third of the way through the current season, going through a 1 and a 1/3 of a season of bad form in 10 whole years!

In which time, we could have still won the league if we had beat Arsenal, and got to the semi-final of the European Cup (never actually lost, but were out through the away goals rule - our second best CL performance, the other time we won it) in which we missed both our best right back and our right winger with our captain only just back from injury too.

Add to this that this season seven of our players have gone under the knife, others have been missing from less serious injuries and have had to take on far more games (including ones played quite a distance overseas), and maybe people might be able to put this entire situation into some form of perspective.

Sack SAF indeed, they are nutters.

I agree that some freshness is required, and SAF has got rid of players in the past to do just that. Look at the season when he got rid of Ince and Kanchelskis went. Some fans were asking for him to be saked then. Now it's the opposite way round they want him sacked for that!

16 years is probably too long for a one person to be manager of a single club, and maybe a certain level of staleness comes from that, but I will never back him to be sacked after the way he turned our club around from a sham into a European powerhouse. Yes, we are the only club to make it past the first round of the Champions league for the last seven seasons.

After all he has won for the club, he deserves a bit of loyalty from the fans when we go though our first bad spell in ten years. By the way some people talk we are in danger of relegation.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Yes he is, which is one reason that he has won so much. People said that he was doing wrong before that game with Palace calling for his head, yet he was right. People said he was wrong when Ince and Kanchelskis left calling for his head, yet he was right. People then called him a god when we won the Treble, and yet again he was right.

Now people are calling for his head when we are fifth (really on point behind third and fourth) a third of the way through the current season, going through a 1 and a 1/3 of a season of bad form in 10 whole years!

In which time, we could have still won the league if we had beat Arsenal, and got to the semi-final of the European Cup (never actually lost, but were out through the away goals rule - our second best CL performance, the other time we won it) in which we missed both our best right back and our right winger with our captain only just back from injury to.

Add to this that this season seven of our players have gone under the knife, others have been missing from less serious injuries and have had to take on far more games (including ones played quite a distance overseas), and maybe people might be able to put this entire situation into some form of perspective.

Sack SAF indeed, they are nutters.

I agree that some freshness is required, and SAF has got rid of players in the past to do just that. Look at the season when he got rid of Ince and Kanchelskis went. Some fans were asking for him to be saked then. Now it's the opposite way round they want him sacked for that!

16 years is probably too long for a one person to be manager of a single club, and maybe a certain level of staleness comes from that, but I will never back him to be sacked after the way he turned our club around from a sham into a European powerhouse. Yes, we are the only club to make it past the first round of the Champions league for the last seven seasons.

After all he has won for the club, he deserves a bit of loyalty from the fans when we go though our first bad spell in ten years. By the way some people talk we are in danger of relegation.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Cheers Weaste.. Good Post! ;)
 
Originally posted by pjaya:
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Cheers Weaste.. Good Post! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I thought that I would be civil for once and put forward my views without using the "c" or "p" word! ;)

I would never be so rude or coarse in front of a lady (I replied to Livvie).
 
Think you are right.for now.Thats the question, how long, if we finish say 7-8th this year, no glory in Europe.Do you say cheers for all you have done and get a new manager or keep him.
Cause things can change quite quickly in football.
 
Originally posted by Waz:
<strong>Think you are right.for now.Thats the question, how long, if we finish say 7-8th this year, no glory in Europe.Do you say cheers for all you have done and get a new manager or keep him.
Cause things can change quite quickly in football.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Let him see out his 3 years, 7th, 8th or not. Although you know as well as I do (god even Davo said so in another thread) that we will not finish outside of the top three. Then the board can get the manager that they want. They couldn't before (I think that it is O'Neil) which is why he stayed on. Although Maclaren is looking very good now.

One thing that SAF did, and it took him many years to do was get our youth system right. One thing that he neglected once he got six or seven players out of it was that exact youth system. I think that he will now turn his attention back to that over the next three years and make sure it is right again. Then we can build for the future.

Good scouting and good management of the youth system is the only way to proceed IMO. It is what has made us what we are today. SAF believed in this back then, and I think that he believes in it still.
 
God, in the 1999/2000 and 2000/2001 season, we shit on everyone in the league without breaking into sweat, and my massive quanities of points.

Wenger and Houllier never got the sack did they, even though Arses and Scousers were being disrespectful and calling for them to go.

Hmmmmmmmmmm I wonder why?

I know, because they dont have sunshine glory hunters who think that we have the automatic right to win everything. Pity it is, real pity.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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sack him now...


we want success ASAP!! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
seriously tho'


i'd let Fergie, have his three extra seasons, iam sure we won't finish outside the CL postions..


hopefully, we'll have maclaren OR moyes take over... the latter looks like SAF mark 2 IMO.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>seriously tho'


i'd let Fergie, have his three extra seasons, iam sure we won't finish outside the CL postions..


hopefully, we'll have maclaren OR moyes take over... the latter looks like SAF mark 2 IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree, but I think the board want O'Neill.
 
I can see people replying to this topic, but I'm off to bed before I get called for not replying again. It's 12:30 almost, and I have to be up at 6:40 :)
 
Originally posted by Waz:
<strong>Think you are right.for now.Thats the question, how long, if we finish say 7-8th this year, no glory in Europe.Do you say cheers for all you have done and get a new manager or keep him.
Cause things can change quite quickly in football.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No way we can accept this sort of performance from the team that SAF has assembled. Let's not forget pressure comes from spending approx $80M on 3 players (Veron, Van Nist and Ferdindand). This strategy is a recent phenomenon at Old Trafford and even though SAF will always have "god like status" at OT he must turn things around. If he does not then I will be amazed if he see's out the duration of his contract.
 
Originally posted by Bill Molloy:
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No way we can accept this sort of performance from the team that SAF has assembled. Let's not forget pressure comes from spending approx $80M on 3 players (Veron, Van Nist and Ferdindand). This strategy is a recent phenomenon at Old Trafford and even though SAF will always have "god like status" at OT he must turn things around. If he does not then I will be amazed if he see's out the duration of his contract.</strong><hr></blockquote>

turn things around..

by this do you mean..become the best team again..

or a top three side?


which we will be this season and next IMO.
 
We have to be realistic and face up to the fact that all is not well at Old Trafford.
I don't thinking putting a new manager in is going to suddenly make us the top team in England again. Changing managers usually lead to a down spell before the possibility of it getting better. Look at Leeds.
But if Fergie is happy to take some of the credit for success he has to take some of blame when things go wrong.
We also can't keep blaming poor performances on the fact that Keano is absent. He's in his 30's now and his ability to play every match is going to diminish, sad but a fact of life. If he was a striker, like Zola or a goalie then maybe he might have another 5 years in him but his isn't. At most he has got another 2 good seasons left. What are we going to do then.
We can't just keep on saying that look at the success we've had over the past 10 years, the moment you stand still and admire what you've acheived is when you start going backwards.
Much as i have admired what Fergie has acheived dragging the club from the brink of relegation to the biggest in the world, seeing some of the worlds best grace the Old Trafford pitch we must accept that the 1990's are history and if we don't move forward quikly we are in trouble of becomming the weaker of the elite group of Premiership teams, having to pre-qualify every year for the CL.
We have to face up to the fact that Giggs is no longer the player he was, not just on this seasons performances but last year as well. Ole has lost his consistancy and Blanc should have left at the end of last year. I know it is a horrible reality, and this isn't just based on yesterday but it has become evident since easter last season.
Old Trafford is no longer a fortress where teams come to try and get a point. Too many clubs have proved that over the last 18 months.

Don't just dismiss this post as over-dramatic or panic, give me the respect of atleast reading it and considering the points before calling me a prick.
 
Its known that the top managers have written into their contracts that they qualify for Europe - and in our case the Champions League. When David O'Leary didn't, he was fired. Its a fact that the loss of Champions League football is so great that when you lose it, like Chelsea, then your income goes sharply down - reducing spending power. United are admittedly more protected from this than other clubs, as I do not believe that foreign fans will desert the team - they didn't during the 70's - though some seem to wish that they would even though that would reduce us to a club as small as city, and thats really small, and its them that were better than us yesterday.

But its no longer a football club, its a Plc. like Leeds. They're answerable to shareholders. And when the share price goes down due to the loss of Champions League football then they will pressurise the Board to protect their investment. Its debateable as to whether they would think a change of manager would be good for the team - but it takes little experience of football to see that managers are chopped frequently, even someone like Peter Reid. I think they would be forced to move him upstairs.

So the question is will Alex be able finish 4th or higher this season, and more importantly, next. I think the possibility of winning the league this years depends on our results against Arsenal and Liverpool. We're playing them in December, right after each other, with a side that will be lacking Keane, and by the looks of it, Butt. Phil would be be in midfield, maybe with Scholes, like yesterday when they lose to city, or maybe Phil and Veron, which have done really well against Aston Villa and Macabbi Haifa. This against Viera and Silva, who by the way were awesome last night - boy did they miss him like we miss Keano - and Hamann and Gerrard. After having lost 5 times in a row to Liverpool I cannot see our midfield winning that battle, nor the game. And Arsenal with Henry and Wiltord will probably get revenge for our 6-1 drubbing of the arseholes.

If he isn't sacked after that then he'll the January transfer window to try and turn things round. He's talking tough, but we've not seen him tough enough recently - certainly not in the Summer. Who needs to go? Take your pick. There were a number of all too familiar candidates yesterday. When Keano said it might be the end of this team, he was right. His book made frequent reference, and indead was a story, the decline of our club. It depicts a team that has completely lost its desire, happy with their mansions and rolexes. And he's right. Never have I seen us give up like that before, and that in the last Maine Road derby!

What's going to turn that round? Either some have to go, or Alex has to go and then a new Manager will use the axe and adjust the team. However I find it unlikely we'll sell any players in January, the only one's being linked with are Barthez and Veron, but Alex has backed them both to the hilt, and in an interview yesterday did so again. I know none of us expected Stam to be sold, or Ince, Hughes and Kanchelskis but I can't see this happening in January, maybe next Summer.

Who might he buy? Depends on how much money he's got, we won't probably get the Stam money by then, and we spent a fortune during the Summer on Rio and Ricardo. You would think his priority would be another striker. We've been linked with just about every striker now! Turned most down during the summer. It was most strongly thought we were after Ronaldinho, after he admitted that he was after one but it didn't come off. Would he come now, and for how much? He didn't during the summer, he declared he wished to spend 4 years there and that he was very happy - but we are Manchester United, a team in decline but a great club none the less. He would cost £25m, but it may well be as its United buying - I don't think that has changed, because we broke the record with Rio and the only other big buy was Ronaldo, who Ronaldinho is almost as highly regarded as - in fact he's probably the best available striker. Ideal for us - but we're not linked with him recently - and it seems our strongest targets are actually Makelele and Jardel. They would certainly improve us right now! Replace Phil with Makelele, and when Keano comes back he would partner him with Keane - and replace him when he's injured. I think it would put Butt back on the bench, although rotated. Scholes would still play up front though. Jardel's not creative, he's a striker like Ruud. And besides, Alex is utterly convinced that Scholes is the man for 4-5-1.

Almost everyone on this forum agrees that 4-5-1 is a big fecking problem and a major cause of our poor recent form ever since we started using it. Maybe it works in Europe though I still think Real Madrid would have beaten us, again, and at Hampden Park, if we couldn't even beat Bayer Leverkusen, and we may well have beaten them this season, but its gutted by the loss of its star players, particularly Ballack who was phenomenal last season. Murt, I know you disagree, and I know what your statistics are, but no one believes that they reflect the changes of formation during the game. Its reduced the number of goals we score, although it can score more from midfield, but not much more. But worse, the players don't perform well in it, and in the premiership its ineffective. Worse, every team is using the same tactic against us, and its frequently working, we're unable to break down a packed defence, and are very exposed on the break. Which is why we'll lose to Arsenal and Liverpool.

So even after January I don't think we'll win the title, but we may be able to hold for 3rd or 4th. This would get him to the Summer. Or if we stay in our current league position, he'll be sacked. That Summer the Board will be faced with a tough choice of too either back him with big money again, or replace him with Sven or McClaren.

Sven would probably keep Veron, he's signed him twice before, and I do wonder if he had some sway over our signing of him since he was hours away from becoming it. What would Sven have done to our side? Thats hard to say, something better than England I hope! We don't have to base our style of play around a one trick pony. I find it hard to believe he would encourage long ball football, I don't believe he did at Lazio, though Veron does like the long ball. Personally, I can't see Veron ever being effective in the Premiership, I think he's a big part of the problem, a complete passenger. So if Sven would keep him, I wouldn't want Sven.

McClaren though was highly regarded by Alex and his chosen heir, to be promoted from within. But Kenyon and the Board weren't happy with this - presumably because he hadn't managed a side before. At the moment it looks like he was the manager! Since he left the assistant managers and coaching seems to have sharply deteriorated, most of us think we miss him. Why not get him back, and make Alex general manager? Its basically letting McClaren have the final and decisive say on who to sign, as well as to coach and set tactics - which it looks like he was doing anyway. The only thing he couldn't do was the transfers, and they've not been very good, bar Ruud. I'd love to have him as our manager, and I think he should have been when Alex had intended to retire.

I don't think Alex will win another trophy in the remaining years of his contract, of which there aren't many, and it looks more likely the team will decline or at least go through a major transition. Why not let the new manager do this, and have some money left for him to spend? No one knows what formation he would employ, I think he used 4-3-1-2 in their victory over Liverpool. I would guess that would be Giggs Keane Beckham; Scholes; Ruud, Ole. No one knows who he'd sell, or who he'd buy. We know he believes in bringing through the youth. Richardson used more frequently as a replacement for Giggs. Mads Timm rotated with Scholes. It would be a gamble, just as keeping Alex, is a gamble, but looks a better bet than Alex right now, and he's going to come anyway - if the Board see sense and its not Sven!
 
Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
<strong>We have to be realistic and face up to the fact that all is not well at Old Trafford.
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I think you're right, and Fergie has finally admitted as much, which gives me hope. It seems likely we're going to see a clear-out at the end of the season, and some new players with something to prove coming in. The question is whether he's going to clear out some of the superstars as well as the squad players.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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He's too stubborn by far.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree with you there. His stubbornness has held him in good stead in the past. I'm sure that trait is one of the reasons why we've won as many trophies as we have under Fergie. But lately, I think that stubbornness has cut the other way...stubbornly sticking to a formation that's not working in the league, playing players who aren't performing...

I don't want Fergie sacked. But when he makes mistakes, as everyone does, I just want him to rectify those mistakes rather than stubbornly digging his heels in. I think that stubbornness is what's frustrating a lot of us.

After everything he's done for us, I think the club should bend over backwards to give him time to sort things out. He's earned that much and more from us. I would absolutely hate to see Fergie leave the club in any way other than from his own free will.
 
The problem comes when your trying to read it stoned as well. It took me 4 attempts.
I think we should start to bring some of the youth players like Richardson and Mads Timm, it may be a risk but in our present state what have we got to lose.
 
To see Sir Alex sacked would be a fecking disgrace. He has won more than any other manager in the history of british football. And FFS we're not even a mid table team!

We must also understand that his targets are an other European Cup. Everything he's done since last summer says so. And we are playing good football in Europe. No one can deny that.

A new manager might do wonders with our team but IMO it's up to Sir Alex to say when to quit. I'll support him what ever he choses but I will not support the board sacking him. No way!
 
Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
<strong>We have to face up to the fact that Giggs is no longer the player he was, not just on this seasons performances but last year as well.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think you've hit the nail right on the head, and the fact is none of the core of our midfield (Giggs, Keane, Beckham, Scholes) are the players they once were. They were once magnificent, but not anymore.

Giggs may still have the pace, but his runs are quite predictable. Beckham is well, distracted, from his core skill, which is to supply balls to the scorers. Keane, who used to fight for balls, now just fights, and Scholes is being pulled all over the place.

If I may say my piece: it's the paychecks. I think many players (with Beckham at the forefront) earn more than what they should. To pay players for image rights, rather than their performance on the field, shows that there's something wrong with how a team values a player. Sure, they sells shirts, but how many of those shirts will sell if the team's performances deteriorate?

I think the salary cap idea at the G14 last week was a good one, not only to save clubs' finances, but also to prevent from players getting too big for their boots.

Everyone has heard about how players have to make hay while it shines and that their career lasts, at the most, 15-20 years. I'm not against them getting their due, but sometimes the figures are so inflated and it defies reason.

Have a salary cap in place and pay a player for his worth on the field, and maybe then the manager, whoeever he is, will be able to mold the team towards success or failure, and truly be responsible for their performances.
 
Originally posted by Argiepoo:
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I think the salary cap idea at the G14 last week was a good one, not only to save clubs' finances, but also to prevent from players getting too big for their boots.

Have a salary cap in place and pay a player for his worth on the field, and maybe then the manager, whoeever he is, will be able to mold the team towards success or failure, and truly be responsible for their performances.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with a salary cap, but there's a problem that will come right after. We all know these rich teams do not really care about each other - they only care about themselves and their finances.

Suppose Ronaldo becomes available and the offer has been accepted by Real from two leading clubs and it came down to him agreeing personal terms, don't you think one of the clubs will cheat their way through with illegal proposals to Ronaldo? Maybe throw in a house, or throw in a car, or even a rolex.. this will eventually lead to a fallout among football clubs and possibly another financial collapse for these teams..

and in the end, the players will still be overpaid... so it wouldn't solve anything.. would it?
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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It's wrong to want Fergie out, I agree.

But why did he get a knighthood? Because he had the credit for the success. SO he has to take his share of responsibility for failure.

He's too stubborn by far.</strong><hr></blockquote>


It's one thing to lose to Arsenal or Liverpool, but it's quite another thing to lose to Shity and Bolton. I can't blame Fergie for those performances. I think he over paid for Ferdinand though. I think his PR firm / agent is the best in the business.
 
First of all, <strong> Weaste and Neil </strong>, great posts. You have more or less stated excellent views of your own for the matter..

personally i disagree that we should throw out SAF right now because we have not hit rock bottom - and besides, there are NO better managers than him available at this time. All the good ones are inexperienced.. all the great ones either do not want to come here or still have their contracts to finish (Hitzfeld, Capello.. for examples)

However, i do agree that SAF has not been very effective with his job last season and this.. for all the reasons i have already given in my editorial.. if i may add to it:

I think SAF is not being very honest with himself and the fans.. he keeps blaming his players for not having the will to fight, while neglecting the fact that it could his 4-4-1-1 that is undermining our form in the EPL. He insists on going through with it even when it's all too obvious it's not working out.

He finally came out to admit we're not strong in depth and cannot compete with Arsenal and Liverpool in this sense.. it was nothing new to us all in the forum.. some of us were even pleased SAF had the guts to finally say it out.

so i think what we're looking for is for him to give admissions that he may have made a mistake. That Veron hasn't been 'fine' in the EPL.. that the introduction of 4-4-1-1 maybe affecting a lot of our players..

I think to be able to solve a problem, you must admit that there's a problem, and furthermore, must admit what the problems really are.

He's stubborn and it has always worked for him.. but this time it's taking a little longer and many of us are getting worried.. we'd be happier to hear him say the whole truth, rather than not admit it at all.

For him to keep saying we have lost the thirst to win is wrong. RVN, Veron, Blanc have not won anything with us and these players should be pushing us further.. not taking us down.. esp Veron is at the heart of midfield.. least to least SAF should atleast admit some tactical errors that has happened to us over this 1 year and 1/3.

He can say he hopes it will get better, or he can say he'll change it. Either way the fans will support him. But he must be honest first anf foremost.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
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and in the end, the players will still be overpaid... so it wouldn't solve anything.. would it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, but as we have painfully found out over the past season and a half, big name signings DO NOT necessarily mean success. So the clubs have to weigh whether getting the big name player is more important than ensuring success on the field.

Pay them for what they are worth ON the pitch. And I don't think it would reach 100,000 pounds per week plus product & private endorsements.....
 
Thanks Neil for another great post. All the problem now originated from the start of last season, when Fergie got into a big net of complacency. The last two PL trophies won too easily, so easily that make Fergie think we will continue to dominate domestically no matter what team/formation we played. It is from that time he started to shift his attention to Europe, buy Veron and play a 4-4-1-1 formation specially designed for him. He even use the leauge matches as the experimental ground to train his new tactic/formation for Europe.

Unfortunately this experiment has failed in disaster and we could only get back to a winning run after we reverted back to 4-4-2 in December. But then, the storm of critize of his 4-4-1-1 tactic and the signing of Veron has hurted Fergie's pride. He decided to prove all critizers wrong. So this season we saw 4-4-1-1 again and Veron continue to slow down and degrade our performance in midfield.

However, I am the one who disagree Fergie to be sacked now. No one can never make mistake, including Fergie. But he is the one who has made us the best club in the world, and he is still one of the most experienced and capable manager in the world today. He only need a kick at his back (like his players), and he can still get us out of this bad period, just as he has done so in the past. There are very few managers who are good enough to replace Fergie, and currently I don't think anyone is available to take up this job immediately.
 
My opinion is this

Replace SAF

and who would be ideal to replace him?

the old SAF.

No more protection, father-son relationship and comeon lads I have faith in you.

These players DO NOT DESERVE IT

I would like to see the SAF that threw tea cups to players. Shouted at them and had the guts to sell even the best stars and start from scratch.

We rely on Keane but its the gaffer's job to shake up these ignorant young millionare's think that they can play rubbish and get out with it.

I am not ashamed By Manutd's crisis. We have been there and i would support the team with the same usual passion

I am ashamed because these stars ( about 400m worth of talent) DO NOT DESERVE TO BE MANUTD'S PLAYERS.

Hate me on this but this is my opinion and deep down you know i am right
 
Neil Thompson's post is right on the button, although most of the views have been expressed before (by me !) The problem with long posts is that it seems very few read them - particularly the blinkered ones ! Nobody wants Fergie sacked but the reality is that our success has to be on-going. Not only the expectations of fans worldwide, but the marketability and therefore the continued success of the business is paramount. To say that we don't mind finishing 7th or 8th in the PL for the remainder of Fergie's tenure is ludicrous for the very reasons I have outlined. Now if Fergie can get things going again, get the team playing properly and not only competing but beating the best, then that will be great. If not, then a successor has to be found whilst a position is found for SAF within the Club for considerable services rendered. Apart from that, sentiment shouldn't come into this issue.
 
I wouldnt sack but SAF need to change his mentality.

This team need to be shaked up. With key players leaving OT and new talent ready to be brought to bring competition.

There is half of the treble team, yet wat i can see is a bunch of spoiled rich guys and not the old warriors which they used to be.

If they want our respect THEY MUST EARN IT AGAIN