AkaAkuma
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Wilshere
Very bad injury. Was his knee if I remember.
Does Thomas Müller qualify? Was almost world class at one point and he fell off when he should've maybe stepped it up another level
I get what you're saying, but I'd assume you can find many reasons like this for other players mentioned here, often without us knowing. So the point still stands, he faded away. But it's good to mention why, it shows that they are just normal people with all issues involved.
He's a perfect example for the thread though.Criminal to write Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite Kaká and the other players in the same post.
Rosicky, Lucas Barrios, Jackson Martinez.
The wording of the suggested debate is very loose. A player not mentioned I guess.
Named as part of Pele’s FIFA 100 in 2004 (a list of the 125 greatest living footballers) Javier Saviola being just 22 at the time was the youngest on the list, he was destined for big things. At the time “El conejo” had scored 60 goals in 144 appearances for Barcelona, an impressive return when considering he was part of a struggling Barcelona side as a second striker, and behind a club legend in Patrick Kluivert. Move on ten years and things didn’t really go to plan, but it wasn’t the sudden decline we see with many talented footballers, it was altogether a more sad affair with a player who never fully achieved what perhaps he could have. Instead Saviola was a player who showed his outstanding talent for the biggest clubs on the planet yet never quite got the chances he should.
Jack Rodwell
He should’ve moved to a better league earlier. His peak wasn’t that short, but very few noticed his performances when he was playing in Russia.Arshavin. Wonderful player to watch when on song.
Ehm... He had won the treble before basically retiring. After playing literally more games than any other outfield player in history (only Shilton and Ceni has played more official games). How is that fading?Xavi
Isn’t that bit early and harsh, he’s 23 and a decent PL player. He could move to a bigger club and also he was never considered as anywhere the same level of talent as the first names on that list.Kaka, Pato, Robinho, Adriano, Götze, Deisler, Bojan, Owen, Kirchhoff, Hojbjerg ...
A mixture of mental health issues, major injuries, and managerial changes all combining to create a perfect storm, sadly.Stephen Ireland was absolutely brilliant one year for City, had a number of big clubs looking at him. Then suddenly he couldn't get into Aston Villa's team. Can't remember if he had an injury or what.
Bless him. A player whose career was lost to a growth spurt his body couldn't adjust to, a little like Rodwell but even more extreme. It's easy to look back at players who never made it with rose-tinted glasses but Johnson really was excellent - a proper Rolls Royce midfielder in the making, he was a hero of mine during that Sven season. Sadly, though, as we all know, he just couldn't stay fit and wound up very depressed as a result. He was arrested and charged with drink driving three times in four months in 2012. We eventually released him and he retired to set up an estate agents. Glad to see he's running something and keeping busy.Michael Johnson.
Owns a pub near me now.
Bentley
Jack Wilshere springs to mind.
I knew Michael growing up. He grew up in Urmston and we shared mutual friends. His dad is an excellent youth coach who took a local team all the way to playing guys like Ajax in youth tournaments, and Michael was his jewel in the crown. There's a lot of silly people talking a lot of silliness in this thread in what went on with him and what happened, usually spouting worn out cliches about overpaying and over-partying. To be honest, they're pretty way off base.
Growing up, I'd never seen anyone who worked harder than Johnson on his game. There was no regular N64 party with his mates - by the time he was about ready to leave primary school he was already off to Netherlands to play in a youth system over there. His entire life from being a toddler was built around football, the idea that he somehow lost desire is ridiculous and insulting. He sacrificed most of his childhood to become a footballer.
On this overpaid thing, people don't seem to understand how contracts are structured, especially for a youth player at a club like City then. You don't just get your full whack every week - by the time MJ was 20, before any of the later drinking, he was having to borrow money to pay bills. Like every other footballer he thought he was invincible and bought a bunch of nice stuff when he broke in. Then he got injured, his wages dropped, and he could barely make ends meet.
It's hard to describe the type of toll that working your entire life towards a goal and being let down by your body in the cusp of achieving it takes on you. This guy wasn't injured once, he was injured four or five times on the bounce. Initially it was a growth based injury, he was seen as the next big thing, then was told that he had to go home and sit on his couch for a year because, despite having immense talent, his body had failed him and there was no cure but to wait. And watch his peers surpass him in development.
He finally got back into training from this, and wanting to make up for lost time he pushed too hard too soon and buggered his knee. Another few months for him to wait and watch. At this point his behaviour was fine. What the City physios were doing allowing him to work so hard escapes me. I imagine he wasn't best pleased either.
Same thing later happened again. Got his shit together, came back, immediately injured. At this point he sunk into a depression, understandable as he felt his hopes and dreams that he had worked so hard for to be slipping away due to little fault on his part. It didn't help at this point that he had problems in an infuriatingly stupid and hostile dressing room. Ireland, Johnson, Samaras, etc. all have frankly embarrassing stories about this period. It also didn't help that the club at this point were in mass disarray and couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, thus provided him with no support at all.
When it happened again injury wise, he completely fell apart. He decided that sitting in a couch rehabbing was doing nothing and so he started going into clubs and casinos more often. Here the cliches apply more. He snapped out of this behaviour too late. Perhaps this coinciding with the extra support players were given is a coincidence but it probably isn't.
Whilst Johnson contributed to the fecking of his career, I place a major proportion of the blame on the club and the frankly scandalous lack of support young players were given. Almost every graduate of our academy during that period has had major mental problems, from Ireland's bizarre behaviour to Richards' lack of assertion that Vieira sorted out, to Johnson and Ched Evans and Stephen Jordan etc.
For everybody's screaming about bringing through kids, City early in the 00s are a perfect example of why fans need to calm down with this. We thought that we could save our money by bringing through players and it would just all work out in the end, without thinking of the long term. Long term we have wrecked the careers of several promising players because we concentrated on their footy skills and not their emotional development. We saved ourselves millions of pound in the short term to the cost of tens of millions in the long term.
We have learnt from these mistakes of the past but when I see clubs like Villa and Sunderland getting plaudits for throwing bunches of kids into the mix, it makes me concerned about whether we in England are throwing another generation away due to this obsession with playing homegrown kids.
Huntelaar is still playing, and even scoring at a good rate for Ajax. But I still somehow have a feeling that he retired around 2010-2012.