Fergie's Midfield Priorities

Me to, keeping an eye on Pastore/Defour/Banega types at the moment.

Yeah.

If you look at our summer outlay thus far we have De Gea, Jones and probably Young. All players with good potential and a lot of money but relatively not hotly wanted across Europe. All players who haven't played at a level like United before and are probably hungry with something to prove.

Its a typical mold of a Fergie signing. Young, hungry, potential and something to prove. Its a system that has worked well over the years. Veron really being the only anomaly.

I think someone like that kid Pato Rodriguez is a more realistic signing or the guys you just mentioned.

I'd be happy with that.
 
Yeah.

If you look at our summer outlay thus far we have De Gea, Jones and probably Young. All players with good potential and a lot of money but relatively not hotly wanted across Europe. All players who haven't played at a level like United before and are probably hungry with something to prove.

Its a typical mold of a Fergie signing. Young, hungry, potential and something to prove. Its a system that has worked well over the years. Veron really being the only anomaly.

I think someone like that kid Pato Rodriguez is a more realistic signing or the guys you just mentioned.

I'd be happy with that.

I think the opposite, there is only so much youth you can introduce to the team at any one time.

This is what Fergie said at the beginning of last season:

However, he has conceded the retirements of Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville over the next few years are going to present a problem.

"We are not at the point where we have to go overboard to get the best player in the world," said Ferguson.

"There are enough really top players in the club at the moment.

"There may be a time in the next couple of years where we have to stretch ourselves, particularly when Ryan, Paul and Gary retire.

"Then, it is a possibility we would need to get really top players in to galvanise the younger ones coming through."
 
Modric is probably Fergies top priority but I think he's the most unattainable. Nasri will be second as the fee will be less, he is the youngest and Prem proven.

I wonder if the Sneijder interest is based off a year or so ago when we were playing mainly with Rooney as a loan front man in big games, Sneijder would have been ideal in that formation, now it may just be a case of the tabs regurgitating last summers interest.

This idea of going for some unknown is unlikely IMO, it may not be any of the 3 above but last season our best midfield performances had one of Scholes or Giggs in the center, one is gone and the other will soon be 38 and has a shit load of personal stuff to deal with, we can't go into the season without a top midfielder who can dictate a game.
 
Nasri's departure would only be a disaster if he weren't replaced adequately. Wenger seems confident of keeping him though.

Would be difficult to just replace one of the Premier League's best players. You don't get players of his calibre easily available, particularly at his age and for a reasonable price.
 
Modric is probably Fergies top priority but I think he's the most unattainable. Nasri will be second as the fee will be less, he is the youngest and Prem proven.

I wonder if the Sneijder interest is based off a year or so ago when we were playing mainly with Rooney as a loan front man in big games, Sneijder would have been ideal in that formation, now it may just be a case of the tabs regurgitating last summers interest.

This idea of going for some unknown is unlikely IMO, it may not be any of the 3 above but last season our best midfield performances had one of Scholes or Giggs in the center, one is gone and the other will soon be 38 and has a shit load of personal stuff to deal with, we can't go into the season without a top midfielder who can dictate a game.

Don't disagree with any of that.

I do think that when Redknapp and Levy say Modric is not for sale they mean it and it's not a ploy to get more money for him.
 
Would be difficult to just replace one of the Premier League's best players. You don't get players of his calibre easily available, particularly at his age and for a reasonable price.

It's interesting this. I'm not accusing you personally, but in the Nani v Nasri thread, a lot of people claimed that Nasri was ineffective and a bit showy, but as soon as he's linked with United, he's suddenly fantastic.

I think he'll stay, but should the worst case scenario occur, we'd have to address it seriously, otherwise there'd be a riot among the fans. We'd go in for someone half decent.
 
At the start of last season I must assume Fergie was happy with the total number of central midfielders we had at the club.

This summer, we will have lost at least 3 of that number - Scholes, Hargreaves, Gibson. Cleverley looks likely to be added to the squad, but currently we are still two central midfielders short of parity with last seasons numbers. I do believe another midfielder will be bought - no idea who it will be at this point though. Who reckons there will be a third? Or will Jones, Tunnicliffe, Pogba or Morrison step into the midfield and be that 'final' squad number.

Hargreaves = Jones/Tunnicliffe/Pogba/Morrison?
Gibson = Cleverley
Scholes = ?

Of course Cleverley may be considered more of a winger, but I think he could take Gibson's place in the midfield shake up. I think he is more capable of playing the same role for us.
 
It's interesting this. I'm not accusing you personally, but in the Nani v Nasri thread, a lot of people claimed that Nasri was ineffective and a bit showy, but as soon as he's linked with United, he's suddenly fantastic.

I think he'll stay, but should the worst case scenario occur, we'd have to address it seriously, otherwise there'd be a riot among the fans. We'd go in for someone half decent.

Obviously a lot of people on a United forum are going to be very biased. Particularly when one of our players is compared to one of our rivals'. The fact of the matter is though he's a top player and in my opinion one of the top 6-7 attacking players in the league. You are right about the re-classifying of players though, Jones has gone from a good player with a lot of promise to the next England captain who will partner Smalling for a decade or more... within a week or so.
 
Nasri ; Arsenal won't sell to English club.

Sjneider : Said he is happy in Milan.


Modric : is the one Fergie is welling to get, my only concern his lack of goals.
 
Nasri ; Arsenal won't sell to English club.

Sjneider : Said he is happy in Milan.


Modric : is the one Fergie is welling to get, my only concern his lack of goals.

Cheers for that, all bollox though.

Arsenal may have NO CHOICE in the matter.

Sneijder has gone back on that statement and seems to be courting a move.

I'd say Modric would be the hardest to get.
 
1. Sneijder.

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Sneijder - Great player but not for us. I wouldnt trust him in a 2-man midfield in the premier league, and playing him behind Rooney would mean breaking up the Rooney-Hernandez partnership, and changing Rooney from his preferred role.

Nasri - Good player if we can get him. Personally I am of the view that we need 2 midfielders ideally, so if we can get Nasri probably on the cheap, it would also allow some more funds for someone else.

Modric - Absolutey ideal for us, but the hardest to get. Spurs have no real need to sell him to us. Using goals and assists as a measure of any player is a bit silly, let alone a midfielder of all positions. One only needs to look at Rooneys contribution this year (in the 2nd half of the season at least) compared to last year. Not as many goals, but he has been a far better player for us than when just an out and out striker.

Those are the three everyone is harping on about. Modric, Nasri, Sneijder would be my order of preference.
Just to throw a couple more names into the hat though;

Schweinsteiger - Another player who would be fantastic for us. If we went to muppet mode and got both him and Modric, that would be a jizzworthy partnership. Signed a new contract, but it would hardly be the first time a player has been sold not long after doing so.

De Rossi - Not that highly rated around these parts, but his leadership and determination would be valuable in our midfield. There are questions about his temperament, but I cant see how he would fare any worse than the likes of Rooney or Rafael when they first started for us.


Then there are a few other names like Defour, Hamsik and Banega, any of whom would be decent signings as well. Again, my preference would be for us to sign two midfielders rather than just the one, I would regard this as a higher priority than getting another winger, given we have plenty of wide options already.
 
---------rooney
sanchez 35m--young 18m--nani
------ander--sneijer 30m
evra---vid---jones--raf
---------de gea 22m

= 122m for a team that will stay together for many years, and given 12months to blend, challenge Barca for the CL crown. We got 80m for ronaldo, so ain't like the little yid elfs would have to actually dig to deep to refresh the team that is making them millions each year.
 
---------rooney
sanchez 35m--young 18m--nani
------ander--sneijer 30m
evra---vid---jones--raf
---------de gea 22m

= 122m for a team that will stay together for many years, and given 12months to blend, challenge Barca for the CL crown. We got 80m for ronaldo, so ain't like the little yid elfs would have to actually dig to deep to refresh the team that is making them millions each year.

:confused: This confuses me. Who would provide defensive cover in midfield? And why are the Barca players 'yids'?
 
I want Nasri for 8m :D

Although if Fabregas goes they'll be able to give him a hefty pay rise and a central role. In that case:

Sneijder

Just don't think there's any chance of Modric. Even if they relented and agreed to sell, it'd be a silly asking price which we wouldn't entertain

I think Jones will be deployed in mf with a view to competing for Rio's place eventually
 
Sneijder
Modric
Ganso (frightening talent but not sure he would fancy England)
Arteta?
Hamsik
Defour
Douglas Costa
Kagawa


P.S. Sweinsteiger and Nasri are not realistic targets I wouldnt think.
 
I'm not sure anymore if he'll even sign anyone for central mid. Maybe he might give Fletch/Carrick/Anderson/Cleverly a chance?
If he does get someone, I think it'll be a rabbit out of a hat ala Hernandez.. the usual suspects are quite pricey this time 'round.
 
Modric over the other two because he can control the game from deep. Sneijder is brilliant and can create something out of nothing in a more advanced position, but we have our best player in that position whereas deeper in CM is one of our weaker positions. Nasri is a very good player as well but his best position is further up the pitch.
 
As much as I love Carrick, I think that SAF will be looking towards the future too, Fletch is still 26 but Carrick is reaching his peak...

As much as we want a creative MF, I thought this has been sorted out ever since we've found Rooney's best position is behind Hernandez...

So basically in our 4-4-1-1 position, we already have Rooney in 1 of those 3 CM's positions...

So how about the other two ? Our best 2CM's was Scholes and Keane ? Now we've lost both and we have Giggsy/Anderson who replaces Scholes while we have Fletcher and Carrick playing for Keane's role with Gibbo being a backup for both...

I still think we are more weaker in the defense position, the Keano role a box to box player with the ability to get stuck in, dribble and control the game...

As much as I love Carrick/Fletcher, I still think both wouldn't be classed as world class yet and at 29, the potential isn't there anymore as you're living on the peak of your footballing years... Keano also started to stall here when your legs start to give in.

I think the soul reason why there hasn't been much movement in the CM department is that we have to really conclude which MF we want and with most of the players we are linked with.... We've been crying out loud for a flair/creative MF player for quite some time.

But for me, this has been neglected after I saw Rooney regain form, Rooney has the qualities to be that player for us, not to mention I have extreme faith in Anderson as I know that Giggsy will definitely still be the beast he is in CM...

So I'd rather prioritize a DM/All rounder, one who can also play deep, intercept but will also have the skills in the final third to help add another dimension of play to us..

For me:
1. Banega: At 22 with a whole career awaiting for him... Its time for him to make the big move and evolve on the big stage... Very smart player, intercepts well, good passer too though this won't be considered his strengths because his true strengths is his ability on the ball, his dribbling and how he gets out of tight positions... Has the attributes of the CM we currently lack and if Silva costs 25m, I'm sure Ever will not be more than 25m with Valencia's financial woes... Ever in my book will be a real shout.. However the only problem is that we are not linked yet.

I would also welcome a Makelele type of CM... tenacious and really stuck in... However I don't see that in Lass and with all the great negative news about his whining, I'd rather he stay there at the circus...

Maybe there are other targets out there.
 
Why dont people regard Schweinsteiger as realistic? He would be ideal for us.

I know he signed a new contract, but that in itself doesnt rule out him moving not long after.
 
This article is quite good and quite interesting in this regard IMO


Posted on Tuesday, 14th June 2011 by Justin Mottershead

Is Wazza the man who Fergie will be thinking of in the transfer window?Wayne Rooney ’s season was similar to the film Alien, at first it seemed a little slow, there was a truly disgusting bit early on, then it quickly became exceedingly entertaining and totally satisfying.

Rooney went from a lone striker figure bereft of goals, to a deep lying centre forward- or false 10 if you will who seemed to be the cog making most of United’s attacks happen.

There’s nothing better as a United fan than watching as yet another one of our player’s throws the media’s criticism of him back in their faces with one stellar performance after another.

Just as David Beckham did in 98/99 and Cristiano Ronaldo did in 06/07, Rooney was able to transform himself from one of the most disappointing players in South Africa, to a misguided, greedy fool, to the team’s superstar again- sort of.

Rooney seemed to find new freedom in having a prolific Mexican in front of him and wide men who loved nothing more than getting on the end of one of his sumptuous passes and converting it into a goal scoring opportunity.

It’s a testament to how far Rooney has evolved as a player that less than a year on from being almost exclusively a lone striker he can slot into deeper role to be arguably even more effective. He may not get as many goals but Rooney’s definitely at the heart of more and fundamentally the team seems less reliant on just his efforts.
Rooney in the false 10 role has been such a success that the question is “will he be reverted back to a standard striker next season?”

Much may seem to depend on the fitness of Chicharito as if the Little Pea was injured then it may be beneficial to push Rooney further up the pitch and allow Dimitar Berbatov the luxury of dropping deep now and again as he often likes to do.

However when Chicharito is fit there’s no denying that both he and Rooney seem to thrive with the Mexican further up field than his Scouse colleague.

With this in mind, you could cast your eye over the potential attacking midfielders being courted by Manchester United and ask “do we really need them?”

Take Wesley Sneijder for example an attacking midfielder in every sense of the word, a truly world class player who would be an asset to any team in world football.

The question is would United really need him if Rooney’s operating in a similar role?

Hayden Shaw wrote on this site over two months ago: “Now, if Rooney is playing that role, being the player who likes to operate in the gap between midfield and defence, making himself hard to pick up, threading the passes and linking the play, then that really doesn’t leave a lot of room for Sneijder.”


I’m inclined to agree.

A similar argument could be put forward for Alexis Sanchez who although able to operate on either wing, is just as adept and some would argue more at home in the false 10 role. With the signing of Ashley Young, plus Antonio Valencia and Nani available for the wide positions it’s questionable as to whether United really need Sanchez, unless he’s to be utilised in a central role.

The problem with using the Chilean just off the striker is that a certain freshly haired tweeter can do the job arguably better than anyone.
Then there’s Samir Nasri, again a player who when needed can be pushed out wide and can even be played as a bog standard central midfielder if needed but without a doubt an AM if ever there was one.

Again would you need Nasri if you had Rooney occupying the deep striker/ attacking midfielder role? Probably not but I’d still buy him if he was available because unlike Sanchez and Sneijder who’d probably cost the same amount as Andy Caroll- I honestly can’t believe I’ve just written that sentence- Nasri could be bought for the fairly cheap price of £10 million- nor many years ago did I expect to one day be saying that.

Rooney’s excellence in the deep striker role, means that forking out 30-40 million beer tokens for the likes of Sneijder or Sanchez may not be the most savvy of moves by United. I know Sanchez can play as a winger, but again do United need another one of those- especially at such a price? Probably not, nor do we need a player best suited just off the striker, not when we’ve already got one who’s proven he’s more than worthy of the role.

Could Wayne Rooney Hold The Key To United’s Biggest Transfer Decision? | Red Flag Flying High
 
Why dont people regard Schweinsteiger as realistic? He would be ideal for us.

I know he signed a new contract, but that in itself doesnt rule out him moving not long after.

I agree 100%!

However, Germans are Germans, and seems to be only interested in England when they are not invited ;)
 
Is Wazza the man who Fergie will be thinking of in the transfer window?

I get the point but Fergie will only be thinking of the team. It's possible that the whole Rooney affair combined to our away form, the Cup Final defeat and the retirements might give Fergie the opportunity to bring planned changes forward and spend a fair bit of money in one go, but I don't think Rooney will have changed anything in Fergies mind.


As for Sneijder, I can't see it happening. He would be a good asset for us but he isn't exactly a teenager and he does come from a foreign background which is a combination Fergie isn't usually keen on. Not to mention that his transfer fee would be genuinely astronomical unless he specifically wanted to come to us.

If Sneijder decides to leave Inter you can be sure that every high profile club on the planet is going to be sniffing around and it's quite possible that City and Chelsea would simply price everyone else out of the running. I think it's most likely he would end up playing for Chelsea if he left Inter.
 
Schweinsteiger is absolutely the ideal player, but the time to buy him was a couple of years ago.

I've only seen a few games of Banega, but he's looked like the right type of player as well.
 
I get the point but Fergie will only be thinking of the team. It's possible that the whole Rooney affair combined to our away form, the Cup Final defeat and the retirements might give Fergie the opportunity to bring planned changes forward and spend a fair bit of money in one go, but I don't think Rooney will have changed anything in Fergies mind.


As for Sneijder, I can't see it happening. He would be a good asset for us but he isn't exactly a teenager and he does come from a foreign background which is a combination Fergie isn't usually keen on. Not to mention that his transfer fee would be genuinely astronomical unless he specifically wanted to come to us.

If Sneijder decides to leave Inter you can be sure that every high profile club on the planet is going to be sniffing around and it's quite possible that City and Chelsea would simply price everyone else out of the running. I think it's most likely he would end up playing for Chelsea if he left Inter.

I share your views on Sneijder. I think Defour or one of the Dortmund kids will be signed, unless we should succeed on Nasri at a cheap price.