Fergie looking for experience in defense...

Ayala is an experienced, hard defender and great in the air. Just wonder how well he would communicate and fit in. But he would be affordable.

Thuram does have the experience at RB, but I don't see United going for the fee Juve would no doubt demand.

I have a funny feeling Van Buyten will become a top target. He's not so experienced but he's a big stopper and would give authority to the defence. Also Marseille are rumoured to be signing Boumsong. I just hope Van Buyten doesn't turn out a Cygan, well, if its true Bayern want him too, then he can't be too shabby.

Another big talent though inexperienced in Mexes, if he really goes for only 4mil, I wonder if Fergie will pass him up considering he's going to be an exceptional defender.

Doing major surgery on the defence is not how United like to build the team but Wes' injury has forced our hand. Also we don't have any youth players ready to come in, and Blanc is going of course. We already needed a least one defender prior to Wes' injury, now we probably need two.

BTW Lucio does not look steady enough to me, and he has come off an injury dogged season.
 
For me, just one name THURAM !!!
he's strong, physical, can play as CB or RB (with attcking skills).
He has enough experience of very tactical football (Italy are the best on that point), he's able to marshall the defence, he's never forgive.
If for most of players coming for abroad, they need one year to adapt PL rythm, I think he will suit very quickly PL rythm

he's already spent 8 years in Italy and every year he's one of (or) the best defenders over there.

Just one thing, put your money on him !!! It's now or never !!!
 
Originally posted by jamesblonde:
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Hey they got to the last 5 world cups in a row. Countries like France, England & Holland don't have records like that.
Their great players - Ceulmans, Schifo, Wouters never played in England. That doesn't mean they didn't exist! Get your head out of your arse :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

'twas a joke, mate.

Nico Clausen sp? he was another good player.

Still doubt this Van Buyten fella's any good, though. (belgian players looked crap in the last WC)
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I Likw John Terry, hes a good, butch centre half. Bit in-experienced though and probably not quite what we need, yet.

Looking at the bigger stage player, Ayala or Thuram could be what we're looking for.

But even further down the scale, that lad Shittu for QPR t'other week looked a brick wall, but i think i might just reccomend him cos id love to have someone with "Shittu" on the back of a United shirt <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> :eek:
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Walter Samuel is ya man.

He's a no nonsense CB.

Would love to see him at OT.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Aha, i knew someones name i was meaning to mention had escaped me, how old is this lad by the way?, built like a fecking brick wall and not THAT much gets past him either. Did hep lay v.s the frenchies at Highbury Library or in Rome?
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Originally posted by herve:
<strong>For me, just one name THURAM !!!
he's strong, physical, can play as CB or RB (with attcking skills).
He has enough experience of very tactical football (Italy are the best on that point), he's able to marshall the defence, he's never forgive.
If for most of players coming for abroad, they need one year to adapt PL rythm, I think he will suit very quickly PL rythm

he's already spent 8 years in Italy and every year he's one of (or) the best defenders over there.

Just one thing, put your money on him !!! It's now or never !!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

He is one of the best defenders in the game, I would have just two reservations;
When they talk of bringing in an experienced defender I think that experience is most influencial in the centre- Thuram does not have much experience in the centre, even though he insists its his best position. He has the equipment to be a killer CB, but I wouldn't call him an experienced CB.
The other factor is the price- Juve spent almost 20mil(and a couple of players) on him only two years ago, I'd be suprised if he went for less than 10mil, and its hard to see United spending that kind of money on a 31yo. Price was the reason we dropped out of the bidding last time, and Fergie was amazed at what Juve spent on him but still said that he rated him the best defender in the world and that he was 'fit as a flea, and could play for another 5-6 years'.

Another place to think about experience is with the goalkeeper- his experience can be a strong influence too. Assuming Fab is leaving of course.
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yeah..i think thuram is the ideal "experienced def" that SAF need..moreover he can cover the full back position..

walter samuel and ayala is not bad as well..they are agressive enough which own current defender lack at the moment
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
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Aha, i knew someones name i was meaning to mention had escaped me, how old is this lad by the way?, built like a fecking brick wall and not THAT much gets past him either. Did hep lay v.s the frenchies at Highbury Library or in Rome?</strong><hr></blockquote>

SAMUEL Walter

Birth Date: 23 March 1978
Height: 179 cm
Weight: 73 kg
Position: DF
Current Club: AS Rome (ITA)
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Originally posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber:
<strong>What he needs is a monster in terms of weight and size. Van Bueyten is the one. If not a possed fellow like Inter's Cordoba</strong><hr></blockquote>

Cordoba is fast but very very short
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Originally posted by kkcbl:
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Ayala's another relatively short one.</strong><hr></blockquote>

yes but Ayala's pure class... and also he is at least much faster than Blanc ;)
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thuram would be ideal for you...but hes not leaving juve.

moggi already said he wouldnt be leaving us, and i believe him...for once.

i suggest samuel but it seems unlikely.

tudor was a good suggestion by someone...maybe you could get him. hes only 25 and has played at the top levels. very strong person. im afraid regularly playing him in central defence [and not in midfield, lippi] would turn him into one of the best defenders in the world...he definitely was under ancelloti at juve.
 
Originally posted by Square:
<strong>thuram would be ideal for you...but hes not leaving juve.

moggi already said he wouldnt be leaving us, and i believe him...for once.

i suggest samuel but it seems unlikely.

tudor was a good suggestion by someone...maybe you could get him. hes only 25 and has played at the top levels. very strong person. im afraid regularly playing him in central defence [and not in midfield, lippi] would turn him into one of the best defenders in the world...he definitely was under ancelloti at juve.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes Tudor is also a good choice. Tudor, Thuram, Ayala, Samuel, may be also Lucio... These are the players who can really improve us. Signing 2nd class players who never play in CL such as Southgate can only mean a backward step for us.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Yes Tudor is also a good choice. Tudor, Thuram, Ayala, Samuel, may be also Lucio... These are the players who can really improve us. Signing 2nd class players who never play in CL such as Southgate can only mean a backward step for us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why is Southgate a step backwards? Look at Boro's defensive record, and Villa was always sound defensively when he was there...

He's an experienced player, who could add something for a couple of years.
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Originally posted by Gabe:
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He is one of the best defenders in the game, I would have just two reservations;
When they talk of bringing in an experienced defender I think that experience is most influencial in the centre- Thuram does not have much experience in the centre, even though he insists its his best position. He has the equipment to be a killer CB, but I wouldn't call him an experienced CB.
The other factor is the price- Juve spent almost 20mil(and a couple of players) on him only two years ago, I'd be suprised if he went for less than 10mil, and its hard to see United spending that kind of money on a 31yo. Price was the reason we dropped out of the bidding last time, and Fergie was amazed at what Juve spent on him but still said that he rated him the best defender in the world and that he was 'fit as a flea, and could play for another 5-6 years'.

Another place to think about experience is with the goalkeeper- his experience can be a strong influence too. Assuming Fab is leaving of course.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hy Gabe,

I read your reservation and I'm absoluty right with the second one. But, for the the first one, I have a different point of view.
When he was playing for Parma AC (where he spent 5 five years) he was playing CB and he was very good. When he plays with France, he plays RB because when you have Desailly & Blanc playing as CBs, it's very difficult to get a CB position. Moreover, he's also a wondefull RB and I think it's a dillema for a coach to choose him a position when you could play at the both position. But it could a bonus and a good cover also (aka Mika playing most of a time as LB and could play in a CB position.

I think Thuram could be a wonderfull CB and could a cover as RB
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I think that what we need at the back is a solid defender in the Montero / Ferrara mould, these guys are born defenders, that is what they are good at and that is what they bring to the team.

Let our midfield think about controlling the play and defenders defend. Last night we got the perfect example in the Final. Italian defenders know how to defend.

Also on Thuram, against Barcelona in the SF, he had a superb game at Central Defence, and he is solid plus can go forward when required. But the main theme here is solid. Rio should look at him and learn.

Anyway these defenders prove that if you look after yourself you can play over 35, so Thuram would be a good buy if he can play the next 4 - 5 years.

As for Lucio, he might impress going forward, but I go back to my point that what we need is a defender.
 
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