Ferdinand replacement - rumoured

You're saying that Evans and Smalling haven't both gotten a lot of play time? You want to play with fewer options than before and give those two a bigger role right away?

Sorry but no. Smalling is still very inexperienced and you see a nervy mistake from him every game. It just hasn't cost us much yet, except for the soft penalty.
Evans has been an under average performer this season and that's basing it on a player like him, not Rio or Vidic quality. He's been a liability this season. So the progress I thought he made last season might be a one off deal and not a permanent thing. You just don't know. And with a CB and a GK I don't want to take that chance. If you do you have an Arsenal on your hand.

Smalling shouldn't panic. He's only 21. Evans is only 23 and has got 44 league games with us and 18 with Sunderland. It's uneasy that he's got 130 games under the belt, 18 of them in Europe, with Smalling outperforming him and being so less experienced. You'd think that a player 2 years your junior would be the needed kick up the butt and I hope he proves that the next season.

But unless Rio is guaranteed to be fit next season we should ponder a CB buy. Not to rival Evans and Smalling but to rival Rio for his position.

Most of all I hope that Rio will do a Nesta and get rid of his problems.

Let's get it straight though, Rio will be on the books next season. That gives us 5 quality CB's in our ranks(Vidic, Evans, Rio, Brown, and Smalling), that is more than enough cover except in extreme circumstances. You can't go and chuck £10m or more on a player on the grounds that we might need him if ALL our CB's are unavailable, it's just not something you can legislate for. The cheap, over the hill signing is just pointless aswell.

On Evans, adversity is something most young player's go through, but the talented and mentally strong ones come through and end up better player's. I've no doubt that Jonny will do the same, that's why I see signing someone else as futile. He was class in 08/09 and most people forget, was Vidic's principal partner in our 14 straight clean sheets. He covered Ferdinand extremely well for most of last season, hence our impressive defensive stats in 2009/10. This is his first blip in form, but he'll come good again and become one of the pillars upon which Fergie's next team is built on and the world-class defender we know/he's shown he can be. Bringing someone in would just slow that process considerably aswell as impact on Smalling's impressive development since being given his opportunity, an opportunity he'd have not been given had we had a Shawcross/Cahill/has-been in the squad.
 
You are a bit harsh on him, I dont agree with some of what you say. But, I dont think he is going to be a top class player.

Agreed. He'll be alright - he'll be solid.

It's just when you look at players like, say, David Luiz(to keep it current) and you realise the incredible gulf between players of his ilk and what Phil Jones could ever dream of being.
 
Agreed. He'll be alright - he'll be solid.

It's just when you look at players like, say, David Luiz(to keep it current) and you realise the incredible gulf between players of his ilk and what Phil Jones could ever dream of being.

Yep I agree with that.

Even the likes of Smalling/Djorou are well ahead of him already.
 
What do you see in him? He's not particularly technically gifted. He might be able to play a little in the midfield, but that says more about Blackburn than it does his talent.

He is a great young player, he reminds me of Terry. He is technically gifted, more than Rodwell, and the majority of centre backs. Terry is underated technically I feel, he is superb on the ball.
 
What do you see in him? He's not particularly technically gifted. He might be able to play a little in the midfield, but that says more about Blackburn than it does his talent.
He is better on the ball than John Terry, who is a very good ball playing center back. He doesn't need to be a David Luiz or a Rio on the ball in all honesty. He really isn't as poor on the ball as some are claiming. He is also a good game reader & as young as he is he can surely only get better.
 
He is better on the ball than John Terry, who is a very good ball playing center back. He doesn't need to be a David Luiz or a Rio on the ball in all honesty. He really isn't as poor on the ball as some are claiming. He is also a good game reader & as young as he is he can surely only get better.

Fair enough. We'll see what happens to him. I'm pretty sure I'll bump this in five years and he'll still be at Blackburn.
 
Would you be happy with United starting next season with Vidic and Smalling in 70% of the matches with Evans and Brown being back up.

I can't see Rio getting fitter as he gets older as his record in the last 2 years has been poor.

Rio is first class but that won't count for much if he hardly plays.
 
Brown have been hit and miss recently but it's understandable because he barely played all season. There are many good young defenders around : Hummels, Thiago Silva, Subotic, Otamendi, and to a lesser extent Phil Jones etc. But we should stick to Smalling Evans & co as we're well stocked at the back. Is Wootton any good by the way ?
 
Yep I did earlier as did the Chief i think. I really rate him and actually think theres alot more to come from him.

do a double deal and get Sahin at the same time. Triple deal and add Gotze. Quadruple deal and finish get Kagawa or Kawaga or whatever his name is.

Is the Dortmund keeper any use? We could possibly do all our summer shopping at one club!
 
I think if he wanted to leave, he would have done so before 31.

Having said that, he may be forced out in the summer.

Why?

If he thinks he's past his peak here and can't compete with the talent of Smalling, Evans, Rafael, Fabio who are likely to get more game time to progress their career then I'd see no reason why he wouldn't want to move on. I think Wes Brown has been a great servant, and in 07/08 in particular he was a pivotal part of our success in his RB role, but I can't see him reaching anywhere near those heights again.

Anyway, back to the thread. Gary Cahill would be a very good replacement, but a CB should not be one of our priority's. GK, midfielder (or 2) and possibly a left footed winger should be considered more important.
 
:lol: calm down dear.

Think Gotze is the better prospect than Kawaga...

oh I know - I do find it irritating and amusing though that Dortmund seem to have a young talented player in each position I feel we could do with adding in! Selfish jerks!

Gotze and Sahin in particular would be two great signings for United imo. Subotic will be a top defender, but I don't think we have room for him unless Rio were to leave (and I don't think that will happen nor do I want it to). Kawaga is an interesting player, but he'd be 4th on the list I'd like us to sign from Dortmund.

Regardless of what I would like though, I can't see any of them leaving Dortmund this summer. All very important to Dortmund, who will have CL football next season and will have no need to sell players as they are a very well ran club already, and with the added finances from the CL they will be fairly cash rich this summer. All the lads are young too and would have no real need to push for a summer move - Dortmund will be competing at the highest level.
 
Why?

If he thinks he's past his peak here and can't compete with the talent of Smalling, Evans, Rafael, Fabio who are likely to get more game time to progress their career then I'd see no reason why he wouldn't want to move on. I think Wes Brown has been a great servant, and in 07/08 in particular he was a pivotal part of our success in his RB role, but I can't see him reaching anywhere near those heights again.

Anyway, back to the thread. Gary Cahill would be a very good replacement, but a CB should not be one of our priority's. GK, midfielder (or 2) and possibly a left footed winger should be considered more important.
What the fudge?

Rio can't compete with Evans or Smalling? I would pick a fit Rio over both of them without hesitation. Smalling looks like he could develop into a top defender but he is a long way off that right now. Communication skills and experience are way off (very understandably) and this is evident when he doesn't have Rio or Vidic telling him what to do. Evans has been fairly poor for the last 12 months. Has promise, but needs to start producing again.

As for Raf and Fab.... why are you even mentioning them? They have no bearing on this situation at all.
 
What the fudge?

Rio can't compete with Evans or Smalling? I would pick a fit Rio over both of them without hesitation. Smalling looks like he could develop into a top defender but he is a long way off that right now. Communication skills and experience are way off (very understandably) and this is evident when he doesn't have Rio or Vidic telling him what to do. Evans has been fairly poor for the last 12 months. Has promise, but needs to start producing again.

As for Raf and Fab.... why are you even mentioning them? They have no bearing on this situation at all.

Maybe cause that whole thing was about Brown, not Rio

EDIT: Actually feck, my bad. I accidentally quoted the wrong post. I can see the misinterpretation there.
 
Dont think Rio will be going anywhere, however I would love too Thorpe being promoted to the first team squad next season as a 5/6th choice center back, I know all the talk is on Pogba/Morrison but this lad has been very impressive and just looks like a natural defender.