Who cares about Barca fans and their feelings? They're the most self-adulating and self-righteous football fans around. It's awesome that you help them fight their battle for recognition though. They really need your help.
FC Bayern 2015/16
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All of Germany probably feel the same way of Bayern and their fans... And you guys seem quite the cocky lot on here as well, so I side with Barca. They have Messi and he pleasures me.
And still people seem to forget that Bayern were missing some of their keyplayers, such as Robben, Ribery and Alaba. Also the likes of Martinez. Benatia has proven yesterday once again that he's crap on this level. Also he proved that against Barca last season. Horrible defending. Right now Bayern is missing their CB's and is playing there with one FB (Alaba) and one CM talent (Kimmich). I agree, if we meet Barca like this, this would be terrifying. But if we get our players fit right in time this could be a hell of a game.
You have recovered from your meltdown at 0-2 down vs Juve then. Bravado back.
Yeah, we have pretty awful fans as well, some prime examples on the Caf. That being said, none of us seems to be as obsessed with a possible Barca-Bayern match as you are. And I don't think any of us talks as if we'd be favourites in case we play Barca this season. Most are quite worried with the obvious flaws in the team.
Poor Bavarians, so misunderstood and modest
Well, 7-0. That's all i've got left to say to you.
(as you are clearly ignoring my points aswell)
Just making an observation. Pep is no longer a failure in your book anymore I guess and this Bayern won't fail hard any time they meet serious opposition in the Cl during peps time.Well, 7-0. That's all i've got left to say to you.
(as you are clearly ignoring my points aswell)
Admire the way you bounce back, elasticity of your mind is something to behold. It only took45+30 mins for your strong mind to fight off adversity and support your club through the tough times. Good luck!
What the feck does that mean? I'm totally lost.
Enlighten me. What triggered the obsession to tell us repeatedly how Barca will smash us? I mean, you must have written it about 20 times since the game yesterday finished.
Sarcasm, but It was fcbforever actually who went berserk on Bayern and Pep during half time yesterday. Outlawger must be confusedWhat the feck does that mean? I'm totally lost.
Enlighten me. What triggered the obsession to tell us repeatedly how Barca will smash us? I mean, you must have written it about 20 times since the game yesterday finished.
What triggered my enjoyment of seeing Bayern get crushed by Real/Barca? My support for Messi/Ronaldo, the overhyping of peps Bayern on here in the group stages when his previous two campaigns show the moment you meet a true challenge it gets ugly and a number of arrogant Bayern fans on here (although tbf, Barca fans aren't all that better but at least their club is thereigning champions of everything so it is justified as long as they keepwinning).
To be fair, @fcbforever seems really unstable and has some very extreme opinions. His comments regarding the quality of the Juventus team before the game were totally mental and I think it was him who went crazy and called it embarrassing to lose an away game against Arsenal in the group stages. It seems as if he expects the treble winning season to be the standard and everything below that is shit, which is rather sad. Because clearly the treble winning season was a once in a lifetime thing and it's very unlikely we'll reach that level ever again. He won't have much fun for the rest of his life as a football fan until he lowers his expectations a bit. So while Bayern fans happen to be a fairly arrogant bunch of football fans (going by my personal experience that's true for pretty much all fans of top clubs though), he's a special case even in our middle.
That wasn't my question. I get that some people enjoy us losing games. Your obsession to tell us repeatedly that it will inevitably happen is a bit weird. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't face Barca at all this season.
Unstable? Balu, I became a real fan of Bayern (won't count my kindergarden fandom here) at a time when I did not expect to see Bayern ever to feature in a Champions League final again. A treble will never be the standard, knockout competitions aren't that way. You can always go out against inferior opposition, having an unlucky day or just facing a superior team.
What annoyed me with Pep against Man City, against Arsenal (seems I got confused with the seasons yesterday, this year it was Arsenal of course
) or in the semis we had is not that we lost or went out or whatever. It's the fashion we lost and went out. We got outcoached. There doesn't seem to be a plan B. I can live with an unlucky loss, I can live with just losing because we have inferior squad quality. I've seen it time and time again, after 2002 I just got used to go out against some random Italian team in the round of 16. But under Pep, we always had one of the top 3 squads in the world. And we archieved very little with it.Yes, Pep made this team very stable in the Bundesliga. But for the tactical genius some make him out to be, his record against the top 5 in the Bundesliga is rather mediocre. In the Champions League, we got stomped by Real and Barcelona and went through against Juventus based on blind luck. It's the first time we actually went through against a contender in the knockout stages in three years. In the group stages we continue to win one game against the other good team in our group to basically throw the other one.
Since he took over, we played Arsenal 4 times, Man City 4 times, Real, Barca and Juventus twice. And a Manchester United in turmoil twice. Out of these games, we won 6, drew 4 and lost 6. Obviously not counting the overtime win against Juventus here. We have yet to win a counting knockout game against another european powerhouse unless you consider Moyes' United one.
Do you seriously say this is what we should aspire to with the squad at hand? The losses we had weren't even close games apart from one against Manchester City.
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There surely is a very large grey area between your comments and 'we should have done better'. Before Juventus this season the only European powerhouses we faced were the eventual winner playing an outstanding season. Obviously the 0-4 was a big feck-up but no matter what tactics Guardiola would have chosen last year, we would have lost against Barca. There's just no way to beat them with our biggest strength, the wing play, completely taken away through injuries. He got his tactics wrong in the first leg, but I won't crucify him for trying something risky with a team lacking options. Heynckes wouldn't have won anything with Ribery, Robben, Alaba and Martinez all out injured and Lahm, Schweinsteiger still regaining fitness after long injuries, I'm fairly certain about that. In the end, we easily topped all our groups and beat what came our way until we faced the eventual winners. That's nowhere near as bad a record in the CL as some seem to suggest.
Anyway, back to yesterday. The tie against Juventus is nowhere near as dark as you paint it either considering how brilliant we played in the away game, especially from a tactical point of view. Juve's home record in the CL under Allegri is 7 wins and 3 draws now and no one came even close to dominate them like we did in their stadium despite our make-shift defense. Somehow no one wants to give Guardiola credit for that though, which seems proper mental.
The next part is probably a bit controversial on here, but I'm still not convinced that Guardiola got his tactics completely wrong yesterday. The first goal, which was simply a massive individual blunder by Alaba and Neuer, prevented us from knowing. Conceding such a goal is just so huge. Under Heynckes we got lucky with that deflected Alaba long range shot early against Juve and the whole tie became so much easier for us and so much more difficult for Juve. Yesterday it was the exact opposite and our reaction was overall brilliant. I've seen countless times how German teams (actually teams from all nations) ran against a well organised Italian defense and failed to create anything while being constantly under danger to concede on the counter. We gained more and more control as the game went on and Juve got more tired and eventually we broke through and turned it around. That you don't even want to credit Guardiola yesterday with a win makes it even more stupid. We fecking won the game. Yes we got lucky, but hell, we showed so much passion and determination to turn it around that I just don't get how crazy spoilt you have to be to not enjoy it and give credit for at least some of the tactical decisions Guardiola made over the two legs, certainly for the first leg and for his changes in the second half yesterday.
But then again, it all comes down to how lowly you rate other teams and how easily you expect us to kick them out of the CL. That's what I actually find insane about your comments on here and why I believe you're totally out of touch with reality. Juve is a brilliant side, arguably top 5 in Europe right now and level with the likes of Atletico, PSG, Real, Dortmund. There's not much in it and we can go out against all these teams even if we're a bit superior (and I'm not sure we actually are with our injury record or at least not by much). It seems as if many people are so busy calling everyone other than Barca shit, that they don't realise there's quite some depth in terms of elite teams in Europe right now. It's great and I'm looking forward to the next tie and expect it to be again a close and dramatic affair, because I absolutely loved the tie against Juve. That was quality football from two excellent teams and neither side deserved to go out so early in the tournament. But that's what happens in the CL.
I just called them a contender and you are argiung about me discounting their team? Just because I said yesterday (and I stand by that) that I don't think their squad depth is as amazing as some suggested (yesterdays game even supported that somehow) that doesn't mean they are a pushover. Still, we have the superior squad and funding. So breaking down after conceding an unnecessary goal away from home and being completely wrecked for 70 minutes at home sure as hell doesn't count as a success in my book. Especially considering we COULD have chosen another tactic for the home leg since we basically entered it with a significant advantage.
Guardiolas habit of shoerhorning players into his tactical ideas which are probably not really up to the task yet, like Kimmich or trying to play a defensive setup which basically negates the few strength our sole surviving CB has are just not excusable even if our offensive lineup suddenly remembered how to play football after 70 minutes. And that's before I'm going to town with Guardiola over his obsession with Alonso, which is getting ridicoulus. I won't give credit for changes of mistakes which shouldn't have happened in the first place, especially since we have seen quite a lot of them in recent seasons.
What did I expect against Juve? Going through, clearly. Tough games, sure, but games after which I could say "we deserve to be in the quarterfinals" and not something along the lines of "how the feck did that happen".
I don't have any hope left for this campaign and I fully expect us to go out unless we face Benfica, City or Wolfsburg.
I wouldn't trust Benatia in any defensive set-up right now. He's a fecking mess. And any defensive set-up that gets the best out of him puts massive pressure on his partner as well, who might not be suited to that type of defending. Now, I don't want to portray it as if Guardiola chose the tactics based on the players available, because that's clearly not the case. But altering the tactics to get the best out of Benatia in defense sounds like the worst possible idea I've heard considering how awful and unreliable he has been for us.
Lewandowski has 37 goals in 39 games. Joint second highest this season with Suarez. What a year he is having.
Actually, (in all official club competitions), as of yesterday
Suárez - 43 goals in 42 games
Cristiano - 40 goals in 37 games
Messi - 37 goals in 37 games
Lewandowski - 35 goals in 38 games
Ibrahimovic - 35 goals in 39 games
Aubameyang - 33 goals in 39 games
Aduriz - 30 goals in 46 games
Whoscored has him and Suarez at 37
Yes, and they counted 2 goals Lewa scored in a friendly for Poland - I only provided club stats. In Suárez' case they didn't incl. the 1 goal he scored in the European Super Cup, nor the 5 he scored in the Copa del Rey.
edit: oh, and after tonight it's Aduriz - 31 goals in 47 games
Yes, and they counted 2 goals Lewa scored in a friendly for Poland - I only provided club stats. In Suárez' case they didn't incl. the 1 goal he scored in the European Super Cup, nor the 5 he scored in the Copa del Rey.
edit: oh, and after tonight it's Aduriz - 31 goals in 47 games
I just realised, you're living up to your name.
Boateng should be back from injury for a possible SF right?
Why is no one talking about Alaba signing a new contract until 2021? I'm so happy!
Why is no one talking about Alaba signing a new contract until 2021? I'm so happy!
He said himself that if his injury heals like it should he'll be back in team training mid April.
So who is going to be injured by that time then? It pretty much has to be lewandowski, or maybe neuer? Mueller?
Lewandowski and Müller are never injured. Even when BVB's whole team was injured, Lewandowski kept going. Anyone else it could be.
My first guess would be Vidal with hitting good form recently.
Why is no one talking about Alaba signing a new contract until 2021? I'm so happy!
That's indeed great news for your club. Such a great and versatile player.
The Alaba contract extension is huge. Big statement for the club's future.
I know, that's why i guess it has to be one of them. I mean a champions league SF without injuries to key players? It just wouldn't feel right.
Hey guys Bayern fan posting here I really hope you show no mercy. Expecting a good Benfica drubbing. Looking forward to see Coman, Robben or Ribery against Eliseu or André Almeida. Should be good viewing
I really hope you show no mercy. Expecting a good Benfica drubbing. Looking forward to see Coman, Robben or Ribery against Eliseu or André Almeida. Should be good viewing Welcome @Sly
Hey guys Bayern fan posting here
Tbh, Portuguese teams have a history of shitting bricks when playing against us. I don't even know why, it seems to be the same for the national team.
Well regarding our national team our historial isn't as bad as club football. Yes we have lost in the recent past but we have some good wins against Germany (namely a 1-0 win at Germany with a great Carlos Manuel goal and that 3-0 win with a Sérgio Conceição hattrick). After that it's all downhill. We don't adapt very well to playing against Germany or Italy. But for example it's the other way around against Holland. They can't beat us, even when we have crappy teams.
Regarding Benfica, they really stand no chance. Like i said one of their weakest points is their full backs. Eliseu and André Almeida simply aren´t good enough for a "top" team. Nélson Semedo has potencial but it's too raw still. Going up against Bayern wingers (one of Bayern's main strenghts) will be painful for them. Benfica doesn't have a good enough defence to play a defensive game. Luisão is getting old and spent most the season injured. Jardel is a decent player but nothing spectacular. Lisandro has been good but lacks experience in this type of game. Lindelof (swede who won the euro21 last year) has the potencial to be their best defender but he will probably be very nervous playing his first time at the Allianz arena. Benfica best asset is their attack. Players like Gaitán, Sálvio, Jonas and Mitroglu are good and experienced players. Guardiola will obviously have to limitate Renato Sanches gameplay and influence, since he is the most important player in Benfica's defensive midfield.
But against facts there are no arguments. Of course the game is decided on the field and not on paper but the statistics and historial doesn't lie. Bayern is a vastly superior team. Benfica never won in Munich either. What's less encouraging is that they were never close to it either. A 5-1 loss in 76, a 4-1 loss 5 years latter with a Dieter Hoeness hattrick. And finally 14 years later another 4-1 loss with a Klinsmann poker.
I'd give Benfica a 1% chance. Bayern is too strong for portuguese big team as seen in the games against Sporting and Porto. Benfica will share the same faith. There won't be a Vienna 1987 (
) for portuguese clubs again soon.The internet is a marvel to behold at times. This is a football forum for an English club that's run by an Irishman and the biggest rivalry on here is Bayern Munich vs Barcelona.
Hope he was docked 2 weeks pay for that hairstyle.
Nothing wrong with the good ol' Dry Ramen style.
Have faith, Barca would not smash you.What the feck does that mean? I'm totally lost.
Enlighten me. What triggered the obsession to tell us repeatedly how Barca will smash us? I mean, you must have written it about 20 times since the game yesterday finished.
Glad he stays. He could have made 80% more at some other club, but i'm sure he'll manage with a meager 10MioWhy is no one talking about Alaba signing a new contract until 2021? I'm so happy!
keep a housekeeping book, buy goreceries on discount and that kind of stuff... he's a smart lad, he'll manage Honestly, really hard to not like him. Can see a future club legend in the making.
The quality of Douglas Costa's crosses has deteriorated over the course of the season.
Apart from that, really nice game from our team, nice to see Rode getting a start.
Apart from that, really nice game from our team, nice to see Rode getting a start.
@ City.Txiki Begiristain: I cannot promise that i will not poach Bayern's players.
Sammer: We decide what happens, City shouldn't rule out that we start poaching their players. One or another player might be interesting.