FAO Panic Buyer
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You fail to mention the real reason, which is that we only scored one goal in those games, and that was a free kick by Seba against Bolton. The object of the game is to outscore your opponent, not to hold your opponent to a goal or two irrespective of how many you score.
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>Mind you some of the above results were caused by defensive errors so a few scoreless draws could have been earned there</strong><hr></blockquote>
Scoreless draws. Is that your idea of a solution. Thank god you're not making decisions at OT.
Originally posted by Panic Buyer:
<strong>You have selective vision
How about these:
2-2 against Derby
3-4 against Newcastle
1-3 against Liverpool
2-2 against Blackburn
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Erm...surely you mean selective amnesia. Which I don't have, since I deliberately left off the obvious games with defensive cockups since they speak for themselves.
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>And you'll find the common denominator amongst all these matches that are mentioned (yours and mine) is that the defence and keeper let us down.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What a load of nonsense. The difference between yours and my list, is that we didn't score goals in mine. Do you understand the concept of winning by scoring goals ? Does that register in your limited cranial capacity ?
A scoreless draw at OT is much better result than a loss. Does anyone else agree?
Originally posted by MrMarcello:
<strong>A scoreless draw at OT is much better result than a loss. Does anyone else agree?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wishing for scoreless draws at OT is hardly a long term solution, and certainly not an adequate substitution for consistent attacking football. Does anyone else agree ?
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Who here is unaware that Sol campbell earns 130,000 ponds a week at highbury?
The Pro Sol muppets conveniently leave that part out. Truth be told, not signing Sol Campbell was the correct thing to do. It would've been outrageous for him to make twice as much as Keano or Giggzy. I can tolerate high wages with a classy defender like Larry White, but not with that disloyal money whore.
I go back to a point I made earlier. Had we a solid defence in the games against Chelsea, Bolton, West Ham, Arsenal, Liverpool (there are too many here!) etc then we would have had a firm foundation to launch attacks.
As it was, we gave away silly goals and had to chase the game. Teams were able to defend against us and hit us on the break - something we used to be the best at doing. A couple of years ago the one team you would have expected not to concede a lead was United. Can we all fell the same with the present defence. No, I dont think so.
As for the attack - they got us out of plenty of holes this season - but when they do misfire we have to make sure we're tight at the back.
Remember taking the lead at Arsenal - we gave it away.
Remember taking the lead against Bolton - we gave it away.
Remember Beckham getting us back into the game at Anfield - the defence gave it away a minute later.
Remember going 2-0 down to Villa in the cup - the attack got us out of that one.
Remember going 3-0 down to Spurs - the attack got us out of that one.
Remember the fightback against Newcastle - the defence gave it away again.
Just saying that the attack got us out of plenty of tricky situations - but they can't be expected to do it week in week out.
Confidence in the defence needs to be addressed - and that won't be done by bringing in younger players. We have Blanc (well, probably) but we need more experienced players alongside him.
If we sort out the defence, the midfield and attack will look after itself.
United's great teams in the past ten years have been based on attack from solid foundations.
Bruce/Pallister and Stam/Johnsen were the rocks the team pushed forward from.
With the rocks removed, and the house built on sand there was only one outcome - we were washed up...
As it was, we gave away silly goals and had to chase the game. Teams were able to defend against us and hit us on the break - something we used to be the best at doing. A couple of years ago the one team you would have expected not to concede a lead was United. Can we all fell the same with the present defence. No, I dont think so.
As for the attack - they got us out of plenty of holes this season - but when they do misfire we have to make sure we're tight at the back.
Remember taking the lead at Arsenal - we gave it away.
Remember taking the lead against Bolton - we gave it away.
Remember Beckham getting us back into the game at Anfield - the defence gave it away a minute later.
Remember going 2-0 down to Villa in the cup - the attack got us out of that one.
Remember going 3-0 down to Spurs - the attack got us out of that one.
Remember the fightback against Newcastle - the defence gave it away again.
Just saying that the attack got us out of plenty of tricky situations - but they can't be expected to do it week in week out.
Confidence in the defence needs to be addressed - and that won't be done by bringing in younger players. We have Blanc (well, probably) but we need more experienced players alongside him.
If we sort out the defence, the midfield and attack will look after itself.
United's great teams in the past ten years have been based on attack from solid foundations.
Bruce/Pallister and Stam/Johnsen were the rocks the team pushed forward from.
With the rocks removed, and the house built on sand there was only one outcome - we were washed up...
Originally posted by the reporter:
<strong>I go back to a point I made earlier. Had we a solid defence in the games against Chelsea, Bolton, West Ham, Arsenal, Liverpool (there are too many here!) etc then we would have had a firm foundation to launch attacks.
As it was, we gave away silly goals and had to chase the game. Teams were able to defend against us and hit us on the break - something we used to be the best at doing. A couple of years ago the one team you would have expected not to concede a lead was United. Can we all fell the same with the present defence. No, I dont think so.
As for the attack - they got us out of plenty of holes this season - but when they do misfire we have to make sure we're tight at the back.
Remember taking the lead at Arsenal - we gave it away.
Remember taking the lead against Bolton - we gave it away.
Remember Beckham getting us back into the game at Anfield - the defence gave it away a minute later.
Remember going 2-0 down to Villa in the cup - the attack got us out of that one.
Remember going 3-0 down to Spurs - the attack got us out of that one.
Remember the fightback against Newcastle - the defence gave it away again.
Just saying that the attack got us out of plenty of tricky situations - but they can't be expected to do it week in week out.
Confidence in the defence needs to be addressed - and that won't be done by bringing in younger players. We have Blanc (well, probably) but we need more experienced players alongside him.
If we sort out the defence, the midfield and attack will look after itself.
United's great teams in the past ten years have been based on attack from solid foundations.
Bruce/Pallister and Stam/Johnsen were the rocks the team pushed forward from.
With the rocks removed, and the house built on sand there was only one outcome - we were washed up...</strong><hr></blockquote>
100% agree. I still remember two or three seasons ago, there is a statistic that if we were ahead at half time, we never failed to win that match. However in this season, we have thrown away our lead three times in two matches against Leverkusen.
Our attacks can still score a large number of goals in PL. But you can't give them a mountain to climb every week and expect they can always climb over it.
And your point of "house built on sand" is really excellent.
Originally posted by the reporter:
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I guess this is why SAF was so keen in bringing in Paulo di Canio - something different to spark the attack in key matches.
Giggs should really be the spark, but let us down so often this season. Next year is going to be a very big one if he's to win me over again.</strong><hr></blockquote>
FAO Raoul: my previous post got me thinking that the hole you seemed to be digging for youself wan't perhaps as deep as I first suspected.
Perhaps the attack does need pepped up a bit - but a solid defence is still the key...
Stating United's attack is half the blame for finishing 3rd place (when the defense is 3/4 the blame) is extremely naive.
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