Fans who dont get behind the team

Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Those who use the Treble season as a measuring stick for the side of today should remember we lost one and drew 2 in the first 6 games of that season, so the only difference is we have one more defeat. Nothing to worry about imo, especially once we strengthen the squad in January. What I find really irritating is when people come on straight after we win 5-2 in the Cl just to say "let's not get carried away..." <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Two questions for you:

1. What makes you think that we will strengthen next January?

2. If we do so, won't the desired players already be cup-tied?
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I personally hope we have a couple of bad seasons and The Arse keep winning the league.

Then maybe the muppets will feck off from Old Trafford then we'll get the support back that we used to have in the 70's and 80's.

That would be really :cool: but I think that I'm asking a bit too much. :(
 
Originally posted by stoned.rose:
<strong>I personally hope we have a couple of bad seasons and The Arse keep winning the league.

Then maybe the muppets will feck off from Old Trafford then we'll get the support back that we used to have in the 70's and 80's.

That would be really :cool: but I think that I'm asking a bit too much. :( </strong><hr></blockquote>

theyll be back once we start winning things again ...

its the price you have to pay ... like it or not
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Someone please explain the merits of constructive criticism to me please.
 
Originally posted by Jens:
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theyll be back once we start winning things again ...

its the price you have to pay ... like it or not</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hope we dont win anything ever again then.

Just get pissed every match then and finish above C**y Leeds and the dippers.

:D
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Originally posted by stoned.rose:
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Hope we dont win anything ever again then.

Just get pissed every match.

:D </strong><hr></blockquote>

you do that anyway ... :)
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Originally posted by kkcbl:
<strong>If that's the case, Americans are the most loyal citizens from what I see here when they think that George W is the best thing since sliced bread! :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>You really are a sad bitter tit aren't ya? In a thread about fans of an English football team, you just have to have a go at Americans.

What happened, did an American bird dump you once? (assuming you are male) Did an American man beat you up?

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Dearest True Treble Reds,

I also mentioned
It's like saying that slagging off Tony Blair means you are disloyal Brits! <hr></blockquote>

Now if you see every mention of 'American' & then go ballistic, who's the sad git? :confused:

Oh! And thanks - I can now quote you as " one of those Americans who are the most loyal citizens from what I see here when they think that George W is the best thing since sliced bread! " ;)

I suppose you're the epitome of what I've been suggesting - that just because one doesn't agree with certain things, it doesn't mean he/she is disloyal! :rolleyes:

FYI, I like & respect Clinton very much & have said so many times ( of course, if you've been obsessively been following my 'views', you'd have known that! ) - I just think that Bush is a war-mongering & complete idiot & bully & if the American Polls are to be believed that 70% of Americans now think he's a demi-god, then they deserve to be classed as such as well, including my American relatives who I adore very much! ( unless they're in the 30% bracket of whom I respect! )

BTW, seriously, in which bracket do you fall in? ( I apologise as I don't follow your postings. )
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Originally posted by kkcbl:
<strong>Dearest True Treble Reds,

I also mentioned


Now if you see every mention of 'American' & then go ballistic, who's the sad git? :confused:

Oh! And thanks - I can now quote you as " one of those Americans who are the most loyal citizens from what I see here when they think that George W is the best thing since sliced bread! " ;)

I suppose you're the epitome of what I've been suggesting - that just because one doesn't agree with certain things, it doesn't mean he/she is disloyal! :rolleyes:

FYI, I like & respect Clinton very much & have said so many times ( of course, if you've been obsessively been following my 'views', you'd have known that! ) - I just think that Bush is a war-mongering & complete idiot & bully & if the American Polls are to be believed that 70% of Americans now think he's a demi-god, then they deserve to be classed as such as well, including my American relatives who I adore very much! ( unless they're in the 30% bracket of whom I respect! )

BTW, seriously, in which bracket do you fall in? ( I apologise as I don't follow your postings. )</strong><hr></blockquote>


He falls in the bracket of being a Tit!


;)
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Thanks for the tip, paulengland. ;)

However, I have to be fair to him & let him say for himself! :)
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Someone please explain the merits of constructive criticism to me please.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Constructive criticism aims to improve the situation.

Take Fergie for example. He seems a nice bloke and will make a reasonable manager in time but I think I need to help him out. I use this forum to let him know who he should buy and sell, who should be bought into the team and who should be dropped. I think that I have a much better idea of these things because I watch most games on television.

I know he sees them all live and spends several hours a day with the players but I feel I have a better tactical knowledge of the game than he does. He might have been a full time employee, as a player and manager, for over forty years but I play weekly (very weakly) for six months a year.

Some of the players could also benefit from my help. If only Giggsy would listen to me he would gain consistency, Seb needs to concentrate more on the simple things and I 'm sure I could fix the technique of the strikers.

I used to think my criticism was constructive but anyone who thinks player takes our comments seriously is mad.

Still I'd rather pretend to be constructive than write abuse players of the club I love.
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kkcbl:

Ballistic? Do give over.

Do you know how a poll is done?

I don't fall into any bracket kk, I just find you an irritating fool who has an above average disdain for America and Americans. Your comments about the plane 'not' hitting the Pentagon summed you up tbh.

I don't follow your every post, however, when I'm reading a thread and you post in it with some anti-Americanism, it tends to stick in my memory because I find it rather immature and blinkered that you have such a view of over 275 million people that you haven't met.

BTW, I'm not American - another uninformed assumption of yours eh?

Paul: Feck off ;)

Steve Not Straight: <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />
 
if elton john was in the team i'd get behind him so i would. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
True Treble Reds,
BTW, I'm not American - another uninformed assumption of yours eh?

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Well, I did say I wasn't obsessed with your postings! :rolleyes:

And honestly, why should the statement that Americans on this forum thinking Bush is the best thing since sliced bread, be an insult & upset you? :confused:

If anything, it was a commendation! ;)

And that posting of the plane was taken from another site - it was not my fiction of imagination! If you noticed ( if you can only calm down with your obvious bitterness towards me! ), I posted it after there were comments as to the authencity of a photo a woman peering out of one of the blown out floors of the WTC so I posted a photo of the Pentagon & the accompanying claims of fraud. BTW, the site where the photo came from is an American one!

And like I said, I was also posting about the virtues of Clinton & have American relatives so you are the one guilty of uninformed assumption, my sad friend! :p

Oh BTW, despite my reminding you of my admiration for Clinton & having American relatives, you still went on to accuse me - shows your level of maturity!

But don't worry - I won't be as childish as you & start to tail your every comment - like I said, I'm not the obsessive idiot around here who delibrately loves to read out of context & comment likewise just to put others down ! ;)

Oh, & I just noticed someone else had started a whole thread on the topic 'that 'plane that crashed into the pentagon. . ' but you didn't criticise any of the others but instead chose to make a smart-ass remark about me ( now I KNOW you're obsessed with me- hey! I'm not your type, you NFL-loving pseudo-American ( got your green card rejected & thereby feel the need to be wanted by the Americans? Or is the guy you're living with an American? )

But I do apologise if I'm wasting my time talking to a pimply-faced 12 year-old! ( I cannot be too presumptious, right? ) <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
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Dicko - still waiting mate. Your answer may well apply to a coach or manager but it doesn't on a forum.
 
Originally posted by kkcbl:
<strong>Dearest True Treble Reds,

I also mentioned


Now if you see every mention of 'American' & then go ballistic, who's the sad git? :confused:

Oh! And thanks - I can now quote you as " one of those Americans who are the most loyal citizens from what I see here when they think that George W is the best thing since sliced bread! " ;)

I suppose you're the epitome of what I've been suggesting - that just because one doesn't agree with certain things, it doesn't mean he/she is disloyal! :rolleyes:

FYI, I like & respect Clinton very much & have said so many times ( of course, if you've been obsessively been following my 'views', you'd have known that! ) - I just think that Bush is a war-mongering & complete idiot & bully & if the American Polls are to be believed that 70% of Americans now think he's a demi-god, then they deserve to be classed as such as well, including my American relatives who I adore very much! ( unless they're in the 30% bracket of whom I respect! )

BTW, seriously, in which bracket do you fall in? ( I apologise as I don't follow your postings. )</strong><hr></blockquote>


kkcbl obviously has his finger on the pulse <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Come on TTR you tell us what sort of Yank you are and I'll tell you what sort of Arab I am.
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Dicko - still waiting mate. Your answer may well apply to a coach or manager but it doesn't on a forum.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The difference is between criticism and abuse.
I don't mind players being criticised, I do it myself sometimes. What I object to is the abuse some players are given by United fans.

I expect Liverpool and Arsenal fans to abuse United. I think it livens up the forum. However, I find it a worry when I feel that the worst abuse comes from supposed United fans.

I got serious about United in about 1970, went home and a away in the seventies (relegation etc) and remember the the many false dawns in the eighties. It was a long wait for 1993. Perhaps I am more philosophical than younger forumites. We have had the best period in our history and it might be over (I hope not, one or two changes and I think we'll win the league or Euro). Our total domination from 1993 to 2001 seems to have many people thinking we should always be top and always winning. To some one loss is a crisis.

Phil Neville is one player who has been unfairly abused. I don't rate him very highly but regard him as a useful squad member and loyal club man. A few weeks ago he was being told to feck off out of Old Trafford because he wasn't even Sunday league standard. It is great to see his current displays and have fans writing positively about him.
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Originally posted by Wibble:
<strong>Come on TTR you tell us what sort of Yank you are and I'll tell you what sort of Arab I am.</strong><hr></blockquote> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Hang on a sec Wibble me owd, I want to get this right...

I'm a 12 year old with pimples who lives with a man, an American man mind; I love the NFL and I don't have a green card. Oh, I'm :( too.

I think that's it. :D

I'm sure if I missed anything someone will correct me.

Not that anyone would be obsessively tailing my every comment of course! ;)
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Dicko - fair dos, and I would agree that abuse of our own players has no place on a forum yet alone in even a conversation in a pub between two supporters. I think such abuse is minimal though, and perhaps some of it is even the work of windups. What I object to though is the suggestions that crticisms should not be made in the name of supporting the team. I take your point though but would suggest that such posters be ignored anyway.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong> I think such abuse is minimal though, and perhaps some of it is even the work of windups. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I think most is the work of wind ups. Some is from, shall we say, over enthusiastic newcomers trying to create an impression. There are, however, some older forumites who seem to enjoy abusing. Each to his own I suppose.
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