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FA adopting 'Rooney rule'
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I find this pointless.
What sort of rule is this? If someone meets the recruitment criteria then they should be interviewed anyway. So the FA are saying they saw someone that met the recruitment criteria and didn't interview them because they were a minority?
That's going to be a barrel of laughs for the ethnic coaches out there.
"We'd like to invite you to an interview for a coaching position".
"Is this because I'm black and you have to?"
"No, we're very interested in your credentials".
"OK, sure"
....
"We regret to inform you that you were not successful on this occasion".
"We'd like to invite you to an interview for a coaching position".
"Is this because I'm black and you have to?"
"No, we're very interested in your credentials".
"OK, sure"
....
"We regret to inform you that you were not successful on this occasion".
I don't agree with it in the NFL and I don't here.
Positive discrimination kind of goes against the whole equality thing we're trying to achieve. It's a bit like Theresa May openly saying she wants more women in her cabinet.
Exactly. Surely you'd be more offended if you were invited to an interview as a token candidate fully aware that you had no chance in hell of getting the job.
Ridiculous move. If someone is good enough they should/would be interviewed.
What next, will they invite one woman candidate too?
You have to first have a level playing field if you want to have equality. That's not there yet.
If Theresa May had no women in her cabinet then it wouldn't be going against equality for her to openly say she wants more.
Sol Campbell is licking his lips.
Exactly.
When you interview, you don't call every single person who simply meets the person spec - you could end up with 100 people to see. You sift the applications, look at the CVs and tend to put a shortlist together based on all sorts of factors, some of which are intuitive.
I don't agree with it, but let's see if it changes anything. I suspect it will be as Pexbo said above.
You'd think football would be a meritocracy, being a results business. If a manager can get results, then the chairman wouldn't care what you look like. So if they're so racist that they won't consider a black man based on his already obvious credentials, then I'm not sure what an interview will do to change that mindset.
You'd think football would be a meritocracy, being a results business. If a manager can get results, then the chairman wouldn't care what you look like. So if they're so racist that they won't consider a black man based on his already obvious credentials, then I'm not sure what an interview will do to change that mindset.
Struggling to think of who is out there if Southgate theoretically got the boot tomorrow, or even after the World Cup.
Chris Hughton is sort of Irish anyway and might not want it because of that and who else? Unless there's someone in the back room team I'm unaware of like Southgate was I can't think of any English managers who would even have the remotest of chance. Chris Powell, Paul Ince and Keith Curle would all be unrealistic. Go Dutch and get Jimmy Floyd in for an interview?
Chris Hughton is sort of Irish anyway and might not want it because of that and who else? Unless there's someone in the back room team I'm unaware of like Southgate was I can't think of any English managers who would even have the remotest of chance. Chris Powell, Paul Ince and Keith Curle would all be unrealistic. Go Dutch and get Jimmy Floyd in for an interview?
100%.
This is how I see it.
This is when I hold my hands up and say "what the feck do I know?"
Edit:
I do have one question though... Why "Rooney" rule?
It orginated from the NFL, named after former Steelers owner Dan Rooney who came up with that idea.This is how I see it.
This is when I hold my hands up and say "what the feck do I know?"
Edit:
I do have one question though... Why "Rooney" rule?
Oh. Makes so much more sense then.
I'm assuming he was involved in the making of the rule?
Yeah!! Next we will have rules saying every year, every club should recruits X no of black players if they are recruiting Y amount of non-black players. Next reserved spots in the starting line up of everyday match.
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That's probably part of the reason why the FA are looking to institute the 'Rooney Rule'. Probably not a wholly bad idea simply because it could because even if no minority coaches are ever hired off the back of it, it could be learning experience for the FA when it comes to training/developing coaches in their coaching schemes.
It’s not really positive discrimination is it because no white candidates are being replaced.
Not really sure how it works in this case though
Not really sure how it works in this case though
Nonsensical to call it Rooney rule much less have a need to give it a name associated with anyone from a different sport, much less country
Seems like there is a job opportunity here to become a token candidate, attend interviews, get rejected and get paid for being the token attendee.
Repeat with a different club.
Repeat with a different club.
They already have this in Russia. It's just 0.
Our 'Rooney rule' is named after Wayne Rooney. The motto...
"If someone can become England's leading goal scorer while speaking a different language and driving on the wrong side of the road - then why shouldn't they be managers too".
Would Ryan Giggs count as an ethnic minority candidate?
Kind of got into watching fringe politics vids on youtube the past couple of years, from far-left to far-right and everything in between. One of them is the alt-right who often advocate for a white ethno-state. One of the questions put towards them is what is white, and how white does someone have to be to be white. A fair question to me. They usually answer something along the lines of "you know a white person when you see one", and "companies, universities etc. often have recruitment policies trying to give consideration to ethnic minority candidates so those institutions must know what white is to be able to know what non-white is, and you never question them".
It never dawned on me that Giggs wasn't fully white (that's an awkward term and trying not to offend anyone here) until I found out who is father and grandfather were. The same for that Ross Barkley when there was that story about someone calling him a gorilla. In the aftermath of that Barkley story I read on here that the boxer Tony Bellew was mixed race to a certain degree too, I remember the person posting it saying that i was obvious but again it was something that I'd never realised.
Kind of got into watching fringe politics vids on youtube the past couple of years, from far-left to far-right and everything in between. One of them is the alt-right who often advocate for a white ethno-state. One of the questions put towards them is what is white, and how white does someone have to be to be white. A fair question to me. They usually answer something along the lines of "you know a white person when you see one", and "companies, universities etc. often have recruitment policies trying to give consideration to ethnic minority candidates so those institutions must know what white is to be able to know what non-white is, and you never question them".
It never dawned on me that Giggs wasn't fully white (that's an awkward term and trying not to offend anyone here) until I found out who is father and grandfather were. The same for that Ross Barkley when there was that story about someone calling him a gorilla. In the aftermath of that Barkley story I read on here that the boxer Tony Bellew was mixed race to a certain degree too, I remember the person posting it saying that i was obvious but again it was something that I'd never realised.
I guess some positive could come from this, but just seems like a PR move from the FA given some of their recent conduct.
Institutional racism requires a change of culture and attitudes, something a single rule won't do.
How has it worked in NFL?
Institutional racism requires a change of culture and attitudes, something a single rule won't do.
How has it worked in NFL?
I mean you could also hypothetically use an executive assistant to remove the pictures, names and gender from the CVs and then pick the candiates anonymously just based on their qualifications. I guess they are scared they´d might end up with three women, and five etnic minorities in that case. 
He'll still have no chance of a top job handed to him.
I think the first thing you did wrong was take the alt-right seriously
I don't. I watch for a laugh. Alt-right, tanky commies, hotep black separatists, nation of islam, sovereign citizens etc. They entertain me.
Should they interview one Disabled too? I mean why should black people get more rights then disabled or women folk!?
See how crazy this is going!? PC gone mad.. once you cater to one minority you have to do it to all otherwise that's discrimination in itself !!
The way I see it, the Black person will only get an interview if his CV is as good as the white candidates.. (i.e that's the "if he meets the qualifying criteria" part in small print) I don't think anyone seriously thinks Sol Campbell will get parachuted into the interview room above a white person who has more experience and a better CV.
In that sense, it's not a bad idea if it helps even a little bit. It's basically giving Black people equal chance as a white person with the same CV.
In that sense, it's not a bad idea if it helps even a little bit. It's basically giving Black people equal chance as a white person with the same CV.
As far as I know it's not clear whether it actually works, most minority candidates seem to be either interviewed for the sake of it or very high on the list, people use Mike Tomlin as an example but he was a pretty good position coach and then a good coordinator for one year, he is typically the type of guy who would get a serious interview.
On the face of it, it does nothing. Hopefully the reality of it is that it helps the FA to operate in a more professional, open manner. Not just appointing people they know, but actually on the basis of really interviewing and listening to the possible candidates.
The sad thing is that the rule still seems relevant. I'm told that it did help the NFL to sort out some of its institutionalised recruitment biases. Given the obvious lack of balance in representation in the FA, I certainly don't see it doing any harm.
The sad thing is that the rule still seems relevant. I'm told that it did help the NFL to sort out some of its institutionalised recruitment biases. Given the obvious lack of balance in representation in the FA, I certainly don't see it doing any harm.
Yes, because even if 9 times out of 10 the black/ethnic minority candidate got rejected, the one time one got appointed is already one more than previous. Baby steps and all that.
Give it 10 years and they'll be interviewing women also.