Hamilton 5 second penalty, Sainz promoted to third.
F1 2019 season
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Could be some more movement as a host of drivers (including Sainz) is under investigation for opening DRS under double waved yellows.
Just spoke with Santi. Says 2020 season is over.
Little harsh I think.
He sealed the deal by apologising as soon as he got out of the car. Fair decision by the stewards.
Yeah. Close call but agree.
At worst a racing incident but Lewis Hamilton took the blame.
Ferrari continues their tradition of pointing a gun at their own head and pulling the trigger until the chamber is empty.. At least it was a somewhat exciting way of sabotaging themselves this time which is refreshing, so thanks for that Vettel.
Is it too much to ask for everyone except Leclerc to be sacked?
Is it too much to ask for everyone except Leclerc to be sacked?
They need to stop giving the top job to an italian for starters...
1 more year left on his contract I believe.
True, god knows what’s happened to him, he’s always had these brain farts in him but he seems to have ramped them up this year.
Seb Vettel is done. He's very lucky that the stewards didn't punish him further. Ferrari have protected Seb all year whilst giving him first preference on strategy at the detriment of Le Clerc who could've won more races if it wasn't for this.
There is one race left to run this season, looks like screech44 has this wrapped up.
1st screech44 Redfish-Alfa 1583 X
2nd venkman Toyoda 1522 X
3rd evan7788 altodevil86 1461 X
4th pauldyson1uk Billy Jack Racing 1454 X
5th balljy RedShift 1403 X
6th impulse Team 3 1368 X
7th spwd MANSELLS MOUSTACHE, 1348 X
8th vangagal Team Skytrain 1340 X
9th hephaestus Horizon F1 1287 X
10th igord TeamShamilton 1270 X
11th jd094 Mirror, Signal, Maldonado 1264 X
12th paulscholes18 Scholesy 1254 X
13th senorgregster Hamilton Academical 1239 X
14th dargonk Dargon's crew 1230 X
15th flavio Randomhero Racing 1188 X
16th dudu Dudu Droids 1133 X
17th coleworld Coleworrrld 1114 X
18th christy87 Langers on a mission 1036 X
19th seb_87 Red_Sky_87 811 X
1st screech44 Redfish-Alfa 1583 X
2nd venkman Toyoda 1522 X
3rd evan7788 altodevil86 1461 X
4th pauldyson1uk Billy Jack Racing 1454 X
5th balljy RedShift 1403 X
6th impulse Team 3 1368 X
7th spwd MANSELLS MOUSTACHE, 1348 X
8th vangagal Team Skytrain 1340 X
9th hephaestus Horizon F1 1287 X
10th igord TeamShamilton 1270 X
11th jd094 Mirror, Signal, Maldonado 1264 X
12th paulscholes18 Scholesy 1254 X
13th senorgregster Hamilton Academical 1239 X
14th dargonk Dargon's crew 1230 X
15th flavio Randomhero Racing 1188 X
16th dudu Dudu Droids 1133 X
17th coleworld Coleworrrld 1114 X
18th christy87 Langers on a mission 1036 X
19th seb_87 Red_Sky_87 811 X
Formula 1 has all but given up on plans to hold reverse grid qualifying races next season after hostility from drivers and opposition from some teams.
Ross Brawn, F1's managing director of Motorsports, said that two teams had withdrawn their support for the idea — designed to make Grand Prix races less predictable — after it was ridiculed by drivers earlier this year.
Qualifying races, with the grid lining up in reverse championship order, would have been trialled at three events next year, under the proposals tabled by the sport's governing body.
But the plan was torpedoed as "bullshit" by Sebastian Vettel during a Singapore Grand Prix press conference. Lewis Hamilton said: "People who propose that don’t really know what they’re talking about."
Despite the driver opposition towards the concept, Formula 1 had counted on the support of all teams. However, at a meeting earlier this month in Paris to discuss the rules of the sport, the mood had changed.
“The current governance system means we need unanimity to carry any decisions through to next year,” Brawn said “The teams initially said they would agree with it and then two teams put their hand up at the last meeting and said they wouldn’t agree with it.
“We wanted to try a small number of races in 2020, a different format where, on a Saturday, it was a reverse-grid format based on championship order and that short-format race would determine the grid order for the final race.
“I thought it was a fascinating contest. And the drivers were a little bit nervous, which I can understand, but we were just asking for the opportunity for three races to try the format.
“If it doesn’t work, we put our hands up; if it does work, great. If it’s something in between, we can work with [that] just to help us develop the format of racing, and it’s frustrating that we’ve not been able to do that but I think that’s – unfortunately – the classic problem with Formula 1.”
Brawn had previously said that next year was the ideal time to try new ideas, as the regulations are stable, ahead of rule changes in 2021.
Haas F1 team principal Guenther Steiner insisted that F1 would not have been bound by the changes and that any changes that didn't work could have been reverted.
"Some people said they don’t like it. I know of one [team] maybe there was a second one that jumped on the bandwagon.
"We can try it but we need to new brave enough if it doesn’t work to get rid of it. We shouldn’t go and try it and be adamant we have to do it. If it doesn’t work, we need to be grown up enough to say, ‘ok it didn’t work, let’s go back to our old thing."
"We could discover something that works. The world is moving a lot faster than 10 or 20 years ago. We need to be a bit more adaptive."
Ross Brawn, F1's managing director of Motorsports, said that two teams had withdrawn their support for the idea — designed to make Grand Prix races less predictable — after it was ridiculed by drivers earlier this year.
Qualifying races, with the grid lining up in reverse championship order, would have been trialled at three events next year, under the proposals tabled by the sport's governing body.
But the plan was torpedoed as "bullshit" by Sebastian Vettel during a Singapore Grand Prix press conference. Lewis Hamilton said: "People who propose that don’t really know what they’re talking about."
Despite the driver opposition towards the concept, Formula 1 had counted on the support of all teams. However, at a meeting earlier this month in Paris to discuss the rules of the sport, the mood had changed.
“The current governance system means we need unanimity to carry any decisions through to next year,” Brawn said “The teams initially said they would agree with it and then two teams put their hand up at the last meeting and said they wouldn’t agree with it.
“We wanted to try a small number of races in 2020, a different format where, on a Saturday, it was a reverse-grid format based on championship order and that short-format race would determine the grid order for the final race.
“I thought it was a fascinating contest. And the drivers were a little bit nervous, which I can understand, but we were just asking for the opportunity for three races to try the format.
“If it doesn’t work, we put our hands up; if it does work, great. If it’s something in between, we can work with [that] just to help us develop the format of racing, and it’s frustrating that we’ve not been able to do that but I think that’s – unfortunately – the classic problem with Formula 1.”
Brawn had previously said that next year was the ideal time to try new ideas, as the regulations are stable, ahead of rule changes in 2021.
Haas F1 team principal Guenther Steiner insisted that F1 would not have been bound by the changes and that any changes that didn't work could have been reverted.
"Some people said they don’t like it. I know of one [team] maybe there was a second one that jumped on the bandwagon.
"We can try it but we need to new brave enough if it doesn’t work to get rid of it. We shouldn’t go and try it and be adamant we have to do it. If it doesn’t work, we need to be grown up enough to say, ‘ok it didn’t work, let’s go back to our old thing."
"We could discover something that works. The world is moving a lot faster than 10 or 20 years ago. We need to be a bit more adaptive."
Who thought Ross Brawn of all people support that stupid idea in first place.
Yes that shocked me also.
It's just not needed if they get the rule set right, it isn't keeping the sport pure. It's like changing football from 2 halves to 4 quarters, just leave it.
It was interesting to watch Brundle go around Interlagos in Senna's car. They really looked like tiny simple cars.
How would they work, those qualifying races?
Tiny and simple is a good description.
But of course it was at the hight of technology at the time and it still looks beautiful.
And the drivers sat much higher in the car.
Martin Brundle looks like he is putting on some weight now.
Vettel has a problem when he is in close proximity to other drivers.
I do wonder if he has a problem with spacial awareness.
For example. Both Hamilton and Verstappen seem able to race right on the edge and very close to other cars without routinely making contact (yes they occasionally do I accept).
But Vettel seems to loose the spacial picture far too often when in the same circumstances.
Lewis Hamilton hopes the basis of a new contract at Mercedes can be agreed "soon" - but says they have no need to rush things along - as F1's new six-time world champion reiterated his desire to continue racing in the sport beyond 2020.
Hamilton is approaching the mid-point of the two-year extension he signed last year, which ties him to Mercedes until the end of next season.
While speculation routinely abounds about Ferrari, Hamilton has consistently expressed his loyalty to Mercedes, having been associated with the German manufacturer - first at McLaren and now at their own works team - since he was a teenager.
"I have obviously considered the next couple of years and naturally I know that I want to continue racing. I love what I'm doing and I see no reason for me to stop anytime soon," said Hamilton, who clinched his latest title in Mexico a fortnight ago.
"But in terms of the 'future future', no, I have not planned absolutely everything. Continuing to work on that. Your ideas shift each year, opinions slightly shift each year.
"It's crazy when you're in a contract: it's almost like 'I only just did this contract and I've already got to start talking about potentially the next one', which is frustrating because it's another stressful moment where you have to get into the room and kind of get into the ring and have a friendly yet intense conversation about terms and all these kind of things. But I'm used to it and like to think I'm a relatively good negotiator!"
Hamilton added: "It won't be really stressful to be honest, but it's daunting when you think of it coming up because also you're committing to a period of time of your life and it's sometimes hard to imagine that far ahead.
"Of course, it's nice to be wanted so hopefully soon we'll get that sorted."
Hamilton's two previous contract renewals with Mercedes, signed in 2015 and 2018 respectively, were considered a formality even though they were not formally agreed and announced until midway through the final year of his old deals.
Hamilton is approaching the mid-point of the two-year extension he signed last year, which ties him to Mercedes until the end of next season.
While speculation routinely abounds about Ferrari, Hamilton has consistently expressed his loyalty to Mercedes, having been associated with the German manufacturer - first at McLaren and now at their own works team - since he was a teenager.
"I have obviously considered the next couple of years and naturally I know that I want to continue racing. I love what I'm doing and I see no reason for me to stop anytime soon," said Hamilton, who clinched his latest title in Mexico a fortnight ago.
"But in terms of the 'future future', no, I have not planned absolutely everything. Continuing to work on that. Your ideas shift each year, opinions slightly shift each year.
"It's crazy when you're in a contract: it's almost like 'I only just did this contract and I've already got to start talking about potentially the next one', which is frustrating because it's another stressful moment where you have to get into the room and kind of get into the ring and have a friendly yet intense conversation about terms and all these kind of things. But I'm used to it and like to think I'm a relatively good negotiator!"
Hamilton added: "It won't be really stressful to be honest, but it's daunting when you think of it coming up because also you're committing to a period of time of your life and it's sometimes hard to imagine that far ahead.
"Of course, it's nice to be wanted so hopefully soon we'll get that sorted."
Hamilton's two previous contract renewals with Mercedes, signed in 2015 and 2018 respectively, were considered a formality even though they were not formally agreed and announced until midway through the final year of his old deals.
Last qualifying of the 2019 season.
Seb fecks up his first hot lap.
WOW monster Q1 for Albon
OUT IN Q1
Grosjean
Giovinazzi
Raikkonen
Russell
Kubica
Alex Albon stayed out on track for those final Q1 laps, and in doing so he moved up to second - two-tenths off early pace-setter Hamilton.
Bottas will start at the back of grid on Sunday, due to an engine change.
Ferrari boss Mattia Binotto has candidly suggested that Lewis Hamilton's potential availability on the F1 driver market for 2021 "can make us only happy".
Like the majority of the sport's leading drivers, Mercedes star Hamilton's current contract runs out at the end of 2020 - the final season before 'New F1' in 2021 when cars designs, budget rules and sporting regulations are being overhauled.
Hamilton's present contract runs to the same point as Ferrari's Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull's Max Verstappen, creating the prospect of a blockbuster driver market during the course of next season as the sport's leading teams make their plays to either retain, or change, their existing line-ups.
Binotto's Ferrari team currently pairs Vettel with Charles Leclerc but asked if he would like to sign Hamilton to Maranello, the Italian, sitting next to Mercedes counterpart Toto Wolff, replied: "Lewis is certainly an outstanding driver, a fantastic driver.
"Knowing that he's available in 2021 can make us only happy, but honestly it's too early for any decision, so we are happy with the drivers we've got at the moment and I think certainly at one stage next season we will start discussing and understanding what to do."
Dont see it happening to be honest, Lewis I think will stay at Mercedes till he retires.
Like the majority of the sport's leading drivers, Mercedes star Hamilton's current contract runs out at the end of 2020 - the final season before 'New F1' in 2021 when cars designs, budget rules and sporting regulations are being overhauled.
Hamilton's present contract runs to the same point as Ferrari's Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull's Max Verstappen, creating the prospect of a blockbuster driver market during the course of next season as the sport's leading teams make their plays to either retain, or change, their existing line-ups.
Binotto's Ferrari team currently pairs Vettel with Charles Leclerc but asked if he would like to sign Hamilton to Maranello, the Italian, sitting next to Mercedes counterpart Toto Wolff, replied: "Lewis is certainly an outstanding driver, a fantastic driver.
"Knowing that he's available in 2021 can make us only happy, but honestly it's too early for any decision, so we are happy with the drivers we've got at the moment and I think certainly at one stage next season we will start discussing and understanding what to do."
Dont see it happening to be honest, Lewis I think will stay at Mercedes till he retires.
OUT IN Q2:
Perez
Gasly
Stroll
Kvyat
Magnussen
Perez
Gasly
Stroll
Kvyat
Magnussen
Leclerc goes fastest for Ferrari at the end of Q2 - and on the medium tyres too!
Ferrari changed their tactics, so Leclerc is now in line with the Mercedes' and Red Bulls.
But Vettel will start on the softs.
Ferrari changed their tactics, so Leclerc is now in line with the Mercedes' and Red Bulls.
But Vettel will start on the softs.
Lewis and Bottas out for Q3.
Could use Bottas for the tow,seeing has he will start at the back of the grid, bit shocked they are sending him out, thought they might of saved the boots for the race.
Could use Bottas for the tow,seeing has he will start at the back of the grid, bit shocked they are sending him out, thought they might of saved the boots for the race.
Lewis 8 wins this season, when not on pole, apparently this is a record.
"Third sector we are losing six-tenths," Leclerc is told. And the Monegasque can't quite believe that!
last lap Q3 , Lewis 0.3 up on Max, who is behind and should get the slipstream
Leclerc missed the last lap hot lap, second time this season .
Lewis Pole and Bottas second.
Max 3rd and Leclerc 4th Seb 5th, but will all get a place bonus with Bottas starting from the back of the grid.
Lewis beats his own track record with that Pole, outstanding lap.
Max 3rd and Leclerc 4th Seb 5th, but will all get a place bonus with Bottas starting from the back of the grid.
Lewis beats his own track record with that Pole, outstanding lap.