Not 'equality'. They effed Bottas multiple times. They just didn't want another fiasco like the Singapore one.
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Not 'equality'. They effed Bottas multiple times. They just didn't want another fiasco like the Singapore one.
Charles Leclerc handed a 15 second time penalty for his collision with Max Verstappen, and driving his car in an unsafe condition.
Spot on , he should have got it during the race IMHO.
Spot on , he should have got it during the race IMHO.
5 seconds for the collision with Max seems about right, same as Vettel/Bottas from France a few years back. The second one is interesting, race director apparently talked to Ferrari on lap 2 and got told he was coming in so didn't throw the black and orange flag only for Ferrari to change their minds when the debris fell off and hit Hamilton's car. They were then going to leave him out for longer but got told he had to pit by the race director. On the one hand, the race director is a sodding idiot for taking their word and not throwing it regardless of their claims but it certainly puts Ferrari in a worse light. Lucky to get just 10 seconds and a 25k team fine considering the stewards pointed out that he could have pitted on lap 1 and they acknowledged how close it was to a "major incident" with Hamilton.
Racing Point have put in a protest about Renault using an automatic brake bias system, would be Ricciardo's luck to fight back to P7, get promoted to P6 due to Leclerc and then get disqualified because Renault remain masters at shooting themselves in the foot.
I think Leclerc was pretty close to a Black Flag , it would have been warranted I think.
Max has been very unlucky with drivers crashing into him so far.
Quite agree. The infringements were perfectly obvious during the race and it seems to me to not have the same impact on the driver when imposed after. Maybe the stewards wanted to talk to him.
10 seconds for driving an unsafe car, and putting others at risk seems light. I would have thought it warranted a much harsher penalty
Talking about those new tyre graphics. I could have sworn Hamiltons tyres were at 70% when they brought him in. At that time he was pulling away from Vettel. Wtf
Ripped off Hamiltons mirror. Imagine if it hit his body instead.
So what is the rule on false starts? Ok to move as long as you come to a complete stop again, behind your line, before the lights change?
I dunno, I just watched the rerun and it was bizarre. Seb moving triggers the others- only thing I can guess is he clearly got no advantage from it.
Apparently there is a jump start sensor on the car, but it was not triggered ??
Some movement inside your line/box/whatever is allowed as long as the car is completely still when the lights go out, which was the case here.
Good to know. Thanks
I don't understand how they let off Ferrari so easy for LeCleric's damaged car. I was watching the highlights and it looked so dangerous. We are extremely fortunate that a driver did not suffer serious damage from that....
Effectively works no different to a driver pulling up to their pitbox at the end of the warm up lap as effectively, the start sequence starts at the start of the warm up lap, not when the lights come on. As long as they are within the confines of the box and not moving when the lights go out, no false start.
That’s great to hear because I couldn’t believe they weren’t initially going to investigate it when it was so obvious.
Yep, but still kept going, ridiculous from the stewards not to do something at the time.
Couldn’t agree more.
If we took that 1988 invincible Mclaren-Honda and put it on the grid today, is it sure to finish last ?
And is there any car from the past who you would pick to be competitive against today's cars ?
And is there any car from the past who you would pick to be competitive against today's cars ?
Jesus, Lewis the humanitarian I can't bear lo l.
Can he not answer a question like a normal person? Positive energy blah blah, at peace with the world and animals blah blah. Tommy Hilfiger blah
Can he not answer a question like a normal person? Positive energy blah blah, at peace with the world and animals blah blah. Tommy Hilfiger blah
Perez out in Q1 
Bottas......
Could be a penalty for Max if they decided he didn't slow enough at the final corner, went purple in the final sector but obviously the stewards will have the data to check the specific area. They might just disqualify the time which would keep him on pole or it could be a grid drop.
He might be a future world champ and he's an amazing talent but he's insanely dislikable.
Just seen Bottas crash, WOW it was a bad one, could have been really nasty, good to see him walk away, plenty of work for the Merc garage tonight.
Apparently the stewards initially decided no further action since the double waved yellows came out after he finished his lap and the mini-sector showed he wasn't as quick through that area as he was before but his comments have caused them to take a second look. Been defending him for mostly staying out of trouble for a while but then he does that and shows zero understanding of the situation.
Kinda worrying that two races in a row we've had an obvious example of people just not giving a shit about the safety of others. Less than 2 months since Hubert's death as well.
Looking @ the telemetry I'm assuming the blue line is his final run? Shows a drop in velocity at the end. He backed off.
If that is accurate, he lifts completely and goes on the brakes so would be fine. Suspect though that the braking happened after the finish line and the F1 app mistakenly included the bit just after, otherwise it would be extremely strange for him to lie to make himself look worse.
3 place grid penalty so Ferrari front row for tomorrow and Hamilton P3.
Whoa.. Max.what a cnut. Ididn't see the press.conference. serves him right.
What a twat , deserves what he got, he knows the rules and decided to say feck you to the FIA
There are two kinds of people I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people s cultures and THE DUTCH.
This is probably right. it's not clear if that telemetry ends with the end of the lap or goes on after the finish line. The person that posted it yesterday on Reddit said that there was no information about that.
What an idiot. Red Bull will be fuming.
He's obviously got serious talent but doesn't look to be the brightest
He's obviously got serious talent but doesn't look to be the brightest
Jesus based on some of the reactions on here you'd think Verstappen had actually killed someone. I've literally seen just about every driver out there except maybe one or two do stuff that's equally dangerous or disrespectful if not more. It does seem somewhat stupid though, makes you wonder what went on behind the scenes, weren't they screaming at him to slow down or something?
I guess at least justice is served now with Leclerc starting on pole, he's a guy who really deserves it based on his sublimely safe behaviour over the last weeks.
I guess at least justice is served now with Leclerc starting on pole, he's a guy who really deserves it based on his sublimely safe behaviour over the last weeks.
[QUOTE="Henrik Larsson, post: 24867808, member: 80953"]Jesus based on some of the reactions on here you'd think Verstappen had actually killed someone. I've literally seen just about every driver out there except maybe one or two do stuff that's equally dangerous or disrespectful if not more. It does seem somewhat stupid though, makes you wonder what went on behind the scenes, weren't they screaming at him to slow down or something?
I guess at least justice is served now with Leclerc starting on pole, he's a guy who really deserves it based on his sublimely safe behaviour over the last weeks.[/QUOTE]
It's not about the fact that he disregarded yellow flags. More so about what he said in the post-quali conference. Where he said that he knew Bottas crashed but didn't slow down nonetheless.
Most of his fans are seeing this as dumb (what he said in the post-q conf) and other as disrespectful.
There's a difference between ignoring a yellow flag in the heat of the moment and knowing that you messed up and between bot giving a damn about it.
Why do you have to include Leclerc in this ? it's a weird comment to make. They didn't give Leclerc Pole, it happened that he was second so it's a normal thing that he starts first. This whataboutism is weird.
I guess at least justice is served now with Leclerc starting on pole, he's a guy who really deserves it based on his sublimely safe behaviour over the last weeks.[/QUOTE]
It's not about the fact that he disregarded yellow flags. More so about what he said in the post-quali conference. Where he said that he knew Bottas crashed but didn't slow down nonetheless.
Most of his fans are seeing this as dumb (what he said in the post-q conf) and other as disrespectful.
There's a difference between ignoring a yellow flag in the heat of the moment and knowing that you messed up and between bot giving a damn about it.
Why do you have to include Leclerc in this ? it's a weird comment to make. They didn't give Leclerc Pole, it happened that he was second so it's a normal thing that he starts first. This whataboutism is weird.
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I don't know man. I watched the qualifiers expecting Red Bull to have given up for this season, turned out they had a brilliant car and Verstappen was in really good form. Guy looks set for only his second pole position in six years of racing, then he fails to control his excitement and fecks up after a freak crash. Doesn't lie about it afterwards, gets the appropriate punishment. Gee what a nasty twat, may he burn in hell.
first comer could be a disaster for Seb and Leclerc , neither will want to give any room.