F1 2019 season

NM said:
Only to folks who didn't watch the 80s and 90s.
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I personally think this era is vastly overrated quality wise. Lets not beat around the bush, Schumacher Senior is arguably the Goat and his brother is not a slouch. JPM was prodigy and won Indy Car when it was not quite F1, but had a decent list of talent. Then add Raikkonen, Alonso, Hakkinen (even DC), Damon etc. In fact, I would say the period between 96 to 2001 was the Strongest in F1 history. Nearly every team aside from Minardi had a driver capable of winning races (even the likes of Tyrell and Prost).

Currently F1 has a couple of F2 champions, Lewis and Sebastian...
 
mariachi-19 said:
I personally think this era is vastly overrated quality wise. Lets not beat around the bush, Schumacher Senior is arguably the Goat and his brother is not a slouch. JPM was prodigy and won Indy Car when it was not quite F1, but had a decent list of talent. Then add Raikkonen, Alonso, Hakkinen (even DC), Damon etc. In fact, I would say the period between 96 to 2001 was the Strongest in F1 history. Nearly every team aside from Minardi had a driver capable of winning races (even the likes of Tyrell and Prost).

Currently F1 has a couple of F2 champions, Lewis and Sebastian...
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Pretty much this. There used to be an era when other teams could win. The last 10 years most of the times it's been 1 team on top, sometimes 2... It's much easier to win in that scenario.
 
0le said:
The car no doubtly helps, but last year, both Ferrari drivers and the Red Bull driver (Max) beat Bottas so the car last year certainly wasn't "destroying the field". The driving of Lewis put pressure on his challenger, Vettel, and caused him to make mistakes. I'm not a F1 historian but I bet the previous world championship drivers all raced in very competitive cars. Has there ever been a driver who won a world championship with what was clearly otherwise a poor car?
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Well, it's not about winning with a poor car, it's more about winning when having a competition. I agree about last year's championship. He was excellent.
 
0le said:
The car no doubtly helps, but last year, both Ferrari drivers and the Red Bull driver (Max) beat Bottas so the car last year certainly wasn't "destroying the field". The driving of Lewis put pressure on his challenger, Vettel, and caused him to make mistakes. I'm not a F1 historian but I bet the previous world championship drivers all raced in very competitive cars. Has there ever been a driver who won a world championship with what was clearly otherwise a poor car?
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Closest in the last 30 years has been Prost and Schumacher both in Ferrari's. Prior to that, probably Hunt in the McLaren.

In four wheeled motorsports on track, it is far harder to win in a poor car because until it rains, there is far less driver input then say motorcycling where a rider can ride around the deficiencies of the bikes (see Casey Stoner on Ducati etc).

I believe that is the obvious issue with F1. Driver input is virtually null and void these days if the driver wants to push, he's punished by tyres that dont last. If a driver makes a mistake and doesn't even make contact with another driver, he's punished unfairly (see Vettel in Canada). If he pretty much does anything that falls within a question of the officials, you'd expect a penalty. Its absolute bullshit and that feckwit ant davidson doesn't want to bring back refuelling...
 
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Ferrari and Red Bull outpaced Mercedes in final practice for the German GP in a surprise timesheet ahead of qualifying, despite cooler weather arriving at Hockenheim.

The impressive Charles Leclerc, the fastest man in the oppressive heat of Friday, led the way again in P3, this time from Max Verstappen by 0.168s with a best lap of 1:12.380.

Both Mercedes drivers finished half a second off the pace and were unusually split on the timesheet by Haas' Kevin Magnussen.

Despite expectations that a drop in temperatures of around 10 degrees compared to Friday would play into Mercedes' hands, Valtteri Bottas was fourth and Lewis Hamilton sixth.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Ferrari and Red Bull outpaced Mercedes in final practice for the German GP in a surprise timesheet ahead of qualifying, despite cooler weather arriving at Hockenheim.

The impressive Charles Leclerc, the fastest man in the oppressive heat of Friday, led the way again in P3, this time from Max Verstappen by 0.168s with a best lap of 1:12.380.

Both Mercedes drivers finished half a second off the pace and were unusually split on the timesheet by Haas' Kevin Magnussen.

Despite expectations that a drop in temperatures of around 10 degrees compared to Friday would play into Mercedes' hands, Valtteri Bottas was fourth and Lewis Hamilton sixth.
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pauldyson1uk said:
Ferrari and Red Bull outpaced Mercedes in final practice for the German GP in a surprise timesheet ahead of qualifying, despite cooler weather arriving at Hockenheim.

The impressive Charles Leclerc, the fastest man in the oppressive heat of Friday, led the way again in P3, this time from Max Verstappen by 0.168s with a best lap of 1:12.380.

Both Mercedes drivers finished half a second off the pace and were unusually split on the timesheet by Haas' Kevin Magnussen.

Despite expectations that a drop in temperatures of around 10 degrees compared to Friday would play into Mercedes' hands, Valtteri Bottas was fourth and Lewis Hamilton sixth.
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So basically Mercedes in line for another 1-2 in qualifying. Nice.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Seb starts 20th and Leclerc start in 10th.
Rain is a high possibility on Sunday, but Lewis is fantastic in the rain , going to be hard to get anything from this weekend.
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It depends on what's wrong. If he needs to change anything major it could come with penalties.
 
Lewis on pole, but a fortunate one, with Seb and Leclerc both running , dont think he would have been pole, but you take what you are given.
Well done Lewis.
The race is looking like a cracker , Seb 20th will be running hard , Leclerc in 10th and Lewis and Max will battle it out in turn 1.
 
Q3 RESULT

1. Lewis Hamilton - 1.11.767

2. Max Verstappen - +0.346

3. Valtteri Bottas - +0.362

4. Pierre Gasly - +0.755

5. Kimi Raikkonen - +0.771

6. Romain Grosjean - +1.084

7. Carlos Sainz - +1.130

8. Sergio Perez - +1.298

9. Nico Hulkenberg - +1.359

10. Charles Leclerc - No Time
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Sky are reporting that Seb had Turbo failure.
Seb will need something, in his home race to get something , SC or maybe rain.
I still dont 100% rule him out of getting on the podium bit it will be hard.
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Their car is very quick but in the main they have failed dismally to capitalise on their speed.
Meanwhile, Mercedes carry on grinding out results and wearing the opposition down with their consistency.
 
Buster15 said:
Their car is very quick but in the main they have failed dismally to capitalise on their speed.
Meanwhile, Mercedes carry on grinding out results and wearing the opposition down with their consistency.
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Their car is anything but quick. The engine is the only part that is better than the Mercedes and Red Bull. The rest is wayy behind.
 
NM said:
Their car is anything but quick. The engine is the only part that is better than the Mercedes and Red Bull. The rest is wayy behind.
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The Ferrari is quick and they are pushing Mercedes hard to maintain their superiority.
They have chosen to have a higher top speed but it does look like Mercedes has better cornering and traction.
Red Bull have made big improvements recently and have probably edged in front of Ferrari.
 
Buster15 said:
The Ferrari is quick and they are pushing Mercedes hard to maintain their superiority.
They have chosen to have a higher top speed but it does look like Mercedes has better cornering and traction.
Red Bull have made big improvements recently and have probably edged in front of Ferrari.
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Only those that fall for PR believe the Ferrari is anywhere as quick as the mercedes in a race this year.
 
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