You already quoted me on this and I posted my correction after that as well.
. Didn't find footage of the onboard cam though.
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. Didn't find footage of the onboard cam though.
That last goddamn lap cost me like 15 points in the fantasy league.
AH sorry did not see it , my apologies.You already quoted me on this and I posted my correction after that as well.
Didn't find footage of the onboard cam though.
No worries mate.
Standings after Race 9
Standings after Race 9.
Cartman keeps his lead but with a slight reduction from21 points to 17.
F1 had a good week jumping 3 places to second.
teabaggers with a climb of 2 places , along with me.
Team of the week MANSELLS MOUSTACHE, jump from 16th to 10th.
Not so good a week for TeamRocket it drops from 4th to 11th.
Next race British GP 10th July so should be raining
Pos Manager Team Points
1st eric cartman Cartman 677
2nd panther F1 660
3rd scottyj17 FC Ronaldo 655
4th christy87 Langers on a mission 638
5th saforrest Wicked_badgers 635
6th pauldyson1uk Billy Jack Racing 634
7th krits teabagggers 623
8th screech44 Redfish-Alfa 616
9th thegrumpylion GrumpyLions 615
10th spwd MANSELLS MOUSTACHE, 610
11th giggsy92 TeamRocket 602
12th uniquim Toyota F1 591
13th dargonk Dargon's crew 588
14th impulse Team 3 588
15th leg-end Better Call Bernie 581
16th sun_tzu 2inthegoo1inthepoo 581
17th dante dante 576
18th highoncaf Enzo's Red 544
19th edweatherall Elbow Licking at 200MPH 527
20th thebest191 TheBest 512
21st sigma Mike Wazowski's Eye 507
22nd rpitroda Spasian Racing 478
23rd senorgregster Hamilton Academical 440
Cartman keeps his lead but with a slight reduction from21 points to 17.
F1 had a good week jumping 3 places to second.
teabaggers with a climb of 2 places , along with me.
Team of the week MANSELLS MOUSTACHE, jump from 16th to 10th.
Not so good a week for TeamRocket it drops from 4th to 11th.
Next race British GP 10th July so should be raining
Pos Manager Team Points
1st eric cartman Cartman 677
2nd panther F1 660
3rd scottyj17 FC Ronaldo 655
4th christy87 Langers on a mission 638
5th saforrest Wicked_badgers 635
6th pauldyson1uk Billy Jack Racing 634
7th krits teabagggers 623
8th screech44 Redfish-Alfa 616
9th thegrumpylion GrumpyLions 615
10th spwd MANSELLS MOUSTACHE, 610
11th giggsy92 TeamRocket 602
12th uniquim Toyota F1 591
13th dargonk Dargon's crew 588
14th impulse Team 3 588
15th leg-end Better Call Bernie 581
16th sun_tzu 2inthegoo1inthepoo 581
17th dante dante 576
18th highoncaf Enzo's Red 544
19th edweatherall Elbow Licking at 200MPH 527
20th thebest191 TheBest 512
21st sigma Mike Wazowski's Eye 507
22nd rpitroda Spasian Racing 478
23rd senorgregster Hamilton Academical 440
they did clash again but it was because rosberg would let him back on the track. toto is being a bit of a cnut too. saying brakes weren't working. when asked if that would make you brake earlier or later into a corner he didn't answer. no worries hamilton is the better driver and will win it all.
Don't think he wants to bad mouth either driver in the press.
I'm sure he will behind closed doors. Nico is defenceless, he clearly thought if he can't wain then he don't wan neither winning and attempting to feck up Lewis' race.
I see you've corrected yourself, it was 100% nicos fault.
Definitely!
What a complete arsehole, I hate him, and I believe he was to blame for the previous incident too.
Absolutely, didn't even try to turn.
Standings after Race 9.
Cartman keeps his lead but with a slight reduction from21 points to 17.
F1 had a good week jumping 3 places to second.
teabaggers with a climb of 2 places , along with me.
Team of the week MANSELLS MOUSTACHE, jump from 16th to 10th.
Not so good a week for TeamRocket it drops from 4th to 11th.
Next race British GP 10th July so should be raining
Pos Manager Team Points
1st eric cartman Cartman 677
2nd panther F1 660
3rd scottyj17 FC Ronaldo 655
4th christy87 Langers on a mission 638
5th saforrest Wicked_badgers 635
6th pauldyson1uk Billy Jack Racing 634
7th krits teabagggers 623
8th screech44 Redfish-Alfa 616
9th thegrumpylion GrumpyLions 615
10th spwd MANSELLS MOUSTACHE, 610
11th giggsy92 TeamRocket 602
12th uniquim Toyota F1 591
13th dargonk Dargon's crew 588
14th impulse Team 3 588
15th leg-end Better Call Bernie 581
16th sun_tzu 2inthegoo1inthepoo 581
17th dante dante 576
18th highoncaf Enzo's Red 544
19th edweatherall Elbow Licking at 200MPH 527
20th thebest191 TheBest 512
21st sigma Mike Wazowski's Eye 507
22nd rpitroda Spasian Racing 478
23rd senorgregster Hamilton Academical 440
Woohoo team of the week
WOOOOOO Max!
It's probably because people outside the UK are starting to notice that Hamilton always gets away with pushing others from the track and causing collisions. There have been so many times that Hamilton did exactly the same with Rosberg, but Rosberg than doesn't just turn in. There's a sense that both FIA and Mercedes want Hamilton to be the WC, nobody really cares for Rosberg, it's just the unfairness of the competition that starts to annoy a lot of F1 fans outside the UK. No one wants to cheer a driver who gets the help he needs to become WC. With the cars he's had, he just has to beat Rosberg and if he even needs help for that, it isn't going to be a great champion ever.
I watch Sky F1 a lot, I did watch BBC F1 a lot, I still read the BBC about F1, and it's all so extremely chauvinistic about Hamilton. And not in it's opinions and hopes, that's fair, but in it's embarrassing analysis and distortion of the facts. Most Europeans watch their own F1 coverage, and will recieve and have very different views on Hamilton.
I could not disagree more with this entire post. Lot of generalising going on here. Just on the highlighted bit Lewis is 1 incident away from getting a grid penalty he's been punished plenty of times, what incidents are you talking about he hasn't been punished for? Off course Merc want him to win the title he's a Merc driver. If you think it's unfairness to Nico then you've not been watching this season never mind today with him getting the better strategy. The problems Lewis has had with his car and the switching garages/mechanics between drivers. Over past 3 seasons Nico has been shown to be a weak teammate countless times, he's been outdriven by a world class driver. When in the same car with no problem Lewis needs no help beating Nico he's done it countless times.
On the TV front Sky's analysis has been fine. It's a UK broadcast do you expect off course they're gonna be a little bias just like the pundits in Germany are to Nico.
I agree with this , the other post is just sounds like a bitter Hamilton hater, to say he has only won 3 WC because of help is just complete bollocks.
Has for the FIA/Mercedes wanting Hamilton to win is complete rubbish, if this was the case FIA would not of already given him stupid penalties and Merc would've made sure he won all the races and not under threat of a grid drop because of a lack of engines.
My 3 drivers all came in the top 5. That's great.
Just caught up with the race, what the heck was that from Rosberg 
. These two cannot reliably be teammates anymore unless you implement team orders. That said it was fun to get these two racing again at the sharp end, probably for the last time.
. These two cannot reliably be teammates anymore unless you implement team orders. That said it was fun to get these two racing again at the sharp end, probably for the last time.Ted Kravitz has worked out why the crowd were apparently so vociferous in their booing - according to him, the trackside commentators (the ones the crowd get) were 100% certain that the collision was entirely Hamilton's fault, and that he'd just taken Rosberg out of the race in order to win it for himself.
Of course, the exact opposite is true, and that's why Rosberg has been heavily punished, but that explains the bad blood in the crowd. They thought Hamilton was a cheat and had stolen the win.
Of course, the exact opposite is true, and that's why Rosberg has been heavily punished, but that explains the bad blood in the crowd. They thought Hamilton was a cheat and had stolen the win.
the fans after were cnutish
For what it's worth: Dutch commentary put him in the right while at the same appreciating that Rosberg finally showed some balls and pushed back. However, they are very relentless in their optimism about Max in pretty much the same way as I suspect BBC pushes Lewis to the moon.
It's a shame because for how good Lewis is as a driver these discussions (and his action) blemish him as a driver a little.
In Canada Hamilton was on the inside and didn't turn in causing a collision with Rosber, Austin last year Hamilton was also on the inside pushing Rosberg outside the track. In both cases the difference was that Rosberg didn't just turn in and caused a collision like Hamilton did today.
They can pick and choose the WC, again they will pick Hamilton, appearantly he's more valuable for promoting Mercedes.
I watched notebook Ted moaning to Toto Wolff with that story too, and I won't react much differently.
I think Hamilton is the better driver in terms of raw talent, but he has his weaknesses and Rosberg has shown he's able to mount a decent challenge. That what I want to see, a fair fight. And appearantly I'm not the only one. People get bored with such a superior car, so they don't want the WC handed to one driver, they want him to at least have to fight for it. I'm sure most continental Europeans will applaud Hamilton if he wins after a fair fight.
No, Germans don't do it like that. Of course they show who they want to win, but they don't twist facts, make up silly theories and rules on the spot just to make a German look better. That kind of pathetic sports journalism is typically British. In football I think it's fun, because the British tend to believe it and are notorious betters, so that's easy money for me. But in F1 there are superior cars, and a quite competent Brit is in it, so there's not a lot to bet against British delusions.
Great win by Hamilton. Seemed to again to have the poor end of the stick regarding strategy, a couple of sluggish pit stops, and his teammate trying to Shumi him on the last lap. Rosberg looked like a broken man.
Rosberg actually drove a great race considering where he started right until the last lap at turn 1 for which he made a mistake getting on the apex/kerb and let Hamilton have a run at him. At this point if he knew his brakes weren't that great he should've let him go but for some reason, as we've seen with many driver's in the heat of the moment, he went into Schumi style rage.
On the brakes issue it may sound like a convenient excuse but Merc have usually been honest and open. They also have been clear at saying the drivers are to blame, Lauda particularly. They all knew it was Rosberg today, before that Hamilton, and other times both of them I think they were more quiet today as this has become a serious issue that can't happen - I fully expect team orders.
One last obligatory point, it was a rubbish race. That said I watched Formula E afterwards and that is considerably worse. They have to pit at the same time and quickly jump in a second car
On the brakes issue it may sound like a convenient excuse but Merc have usually been honest and open. They also have been clear at saying the drivers are to blame, Lauda particularly. They all knew it was Rosberg today, before that Hamilton, and other times both of them I think they were more quiet today as this has become a serious issue that can't happen - I fully expect team orders.
One last obligatory point, it was a rubbish race. That said I watched Formula E afterwards and that is considerably worse. They have to pit at the same time and quickly jump in a second car
if MB levels the playing field hamilton will walk it.
Suspect brake fault or not, Rosberg seemed to forgot to turn his wheel in a corner. Rosberg sounds daft when he surprised he 'hit' into something.
Mb?
Mercedes-Benz. There seems to be some bizarre conspiracy theory amongst some that they're anti-Hamilton.
Ah cheers bud, thought it was some new tech like kers
, I'd certainly agree that their not pro Hamilton but don't think there's much in it either way.looks like it from here. he'll leave if it keeps up. the strategy or lack thereof coming from his side of the two teams looks like it's made for rosberg to win it. and rosberg is a lesser driver which is dead easy to see. and he'd be getting a thumping from any other team for that shit today. i'm not a benz or hamilton guy just using my eyes and watching. like last yr hamilton will reel him in easy.
Hamilton is so far into Rosbergs head it's funny. He had the points lead and worst would of finished second...what an absolute bellend!
So stewards gave Rosberg a 10s penalty, which moves him from 4th to 4th for his hit on Hamilton. Also a reprimand for driving a damaged car, which suggests he should have stopped. Had done that he would not have got 4th. Therefore, he gained a 4th by driving in a way not approved by the FIA. Weird.
Re watching some on the race back on SSN. Never seen Toto that pissed but one positive the crash had is the lack of bad press they'll get for the strategy they put Lewis on. They put Lewis on a 1 stop, to decide it is too marginal. Then they pull Hamilton in for his 2nd stop. Rosberg comes in 1 lap later so Hamilton has no chance to undercut. To think Merc thought Lewis couldn't do 50 laps on the soft while Nico had already done 45 easily. It was a poor, confusing and illogical strategy.
I know teams try to defend drivers but the "brakes" excuse is poor. Sky did have a look at the in-car footage the “brake problem” did not exist. The problem was not turning the steering wheel apparently. Even when Lewis tries to get back on track Rosberg gave Lewis no space. Yet they are still making excuses for Rosberg.
Re watching some on the race back on SSN. Never seen Toto that pissed but one positive the crash had is the lack of bad press they'll get for the strategy they put Lewis on. They put Lewis on a 1 stop, to decide it is too marginal. Then they pull Hamilton in for his 2nd stop. Rosberg comes in 1 lap later so Hamilton has no chance to undercut. To think Merc thought Lewis couldn't do 50 laps on the soft while Nico had already done 45 easily. It was a poor, confusing and illogical strategy.
I know teams try to defend drivers but the "brakes" excuse is poor. Sky did have a look at the in-car footage the “brake problem” did not exist. The problem was not turning the steering wheel apparently. Even when Lewis tries to get back on track Rosberg gave Lewis no space. Yet they are still making excuses for Rosberg.
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Was thinking about this whilst having breakfast. Surely as Rosberg started pumping in fastest laps and jumped the Ferrari's accounting for a pitstop and was approaching Lewis' window they would have known a 2 stop would be quicker? Lowe said they only knew after the safety car, but they avoided having Hamilton try to race until the 2nd pitstop ('It's Hammertime'), theoretically with a good stop and outlap he should have gotten ahead of Nico but he did not. After that we had the shenanigans. To me it's easy to call the drivers brainless but the Mercedes strategy created a race that should not have happened, how a guy that started 6th and was sitting in 4th ended up with the faster strategy than the guy who led from pole and was controlling the race is beyond me.
They told Lewis that one stop was plan A, realised it was the slower strategy, made him lose a chunk of time stretching out the ultra-softs and then said hey you know what 2-stop is better but if you want to win the race you might need to overtake your teammate who you probably would have mirrored on strategy if you had the choice anyway. What's even stupider is Lewis had a better 2-stop strategy because he had two sets of softs available and as we saw at the end Nico lost grip on the super-softs. There's no conspiracy, I just think Mercedes are a bit shit on strategy to be honest and Lewis' side of the garage need to be a bit sharper on these things.
This is a good write-up on the strategy side of things:
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/analysis-how-hamilton-vs-rosberg-became-an-on-track-battle-795439/
Also it was pretty hilarious to watch Merc do Q2 on Ultra-Softs, even though the struggled on them in FP3 very badly, knowing full well they would have start the race on them. They saw Red Bull and Ferrari do Q2 on Super-Softs, then thought oh shit yeah maybe we should have done that, only to send their cars out as soon as it started raining. These are not the strategy decisions of a World Championship winning team.
Agreed I guess that's why Lewis is annoyed they switched garages and mechanics. As you say clearly no conspiracy although the weekends events will add people think there is one. Lewis just has the lesser side of the garage, Toto said it when ask about the switch. Lewis last year had the better mechanics and Merc changed it around this year which is fair.
Be interesting to see if this carries on or they replace a driver. Was rumours of Nico going to Ferrari, which is odd to me because he'd be in the same situation as he is with Merc. Better team mate and all.
merc will keep hamilton if they are smart. he's clearly a winner. i'd love it if the both left.
Don't see the Mercedes line-up changing just yet, no chance of anyone remotely competitive going to Ferrari while Vettel's there and there's no other good seats up for grabs. It's only been a handful of incidents in three years anyway, plus Nico will have to be on his best behaviour after yesterday. What they should do is give each driver their own strategist - having just one between them leads to feck ups like yesterday.
There were a lot of very weird things about the decision. Normally when to cars go into a corner and don't come out both undamaged, ït's "incident involving cars no. 6 and no. 44 under investigation", now it was "incident involving car no. 6 is under investigation". So appearently the stewards already knew Hamilton was innocent before investigating the incident. That seems like a novelty to me, I can't remember any other example. The second novelty is the concept of 'racing room' that Rosberg supposedly didn't leave, this was not in the written rules, it has suddenly appeared out of thin air. This effectively means that Rosberg caused the collision by not leaving it, instead of Hamilton causing the collision by turning into Rosberg. Sky had already invented the new rule that drivers should turn in at the apex and can't choose their own line, but that wasn't creative enough for the stewards. Good luck for Hamilton that this racing room rule was only introduced when he was on the outside of Rosberg and not all those cases in the past were he was on the inside and pushed or bumped Rosberg outside the track. Appearently, it was also clear that Hamilton did not overtake under yellow, without any investigation, because it wasn't investigated.
So the next time Rosberg is on the outside and Hamilton doesn't turn in at the apex to push him out, he knows what he has got to do: Don't avoid a collision, just turn in. That will make F1 safer. But frankly I don't think this 'racing room' idea will not become the new rule. The rule concerning these kinds of incidents was best put into words by Martin Brundle a few races ago "You just don't go round the outside of Lewis Hamilton".
Hamilton messed up the undercut himself with the driver error in his outlap. Mercedes was fighting Vettel's Ferrari and Rosberg got track position because of a lot of very fast laps and Vettel crashing. The idea that Mercedes should not only give Hamilton the first pit stop, but also leave Rosberg on his old tires a lot of laps so Hamilton can do the undercut, even with messing up a lap, is the idea that Mercedes should hand the win to him. We all knew he's the better driver anyway, so he deserves it.
If you leave the track you have to wait until you can get safely back on without slowing down cars that managed to stay on track. But appearently there's a rule that if the driver outside the track is Lewis Hamilton, you've got to give him space so he can win the race, especially after he turned in to you.
I don't think Hamilton deserves to get booed, he deserves the chance to earn beeing called a four time world champion. But if it is handed to him like this, he will go down in history as the most pathetic multiple world champion. It's not even his fault, he's just a spoiled kid, with robbing the fans from a fair fight with Rosberg, a fight he should be able to win, they're also robbing Hamilton of the chance to become a great driver.
Rosberg went for the billy big bollocks move and over stepped, pretty clear from the million replays he simply went too far by not actually turning into the corner until after he hit Hamilton. Rosberg just ain't very good when it comes to getting his elbows out so I don't know why he does it, he could have drove his line normally and still have a chance of defending the cut back (in fact he would have won as there was a yellow in the next overtaking zone), worst case he finishes 2nd and takes the a decent lead to Silverstone.
It's got nothing to do with it being Hamilton, it was a boneheaded move.
It's all his own making.
It's got nothing to do with it being Hamilton, it was a boneheaded move.
It's all his own making.
Lost some respect for Lauda after this , he really should just STFU.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24...about-nico-rosberg-friendship-says-niki-lauda
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24...about-nico-rosberg-friendship-says-niki-lauda
this has to be just paper bollocks, no way will they suspend the pair of them and what grounds would they have to suspend Hamilton ? even Rosberg come to that, OK so they have had a couple of coming togethers but suspension, bit OTT if you ask me.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...could-suspend-lewis-hamilton-and-nico-rosberg
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...could-suspend-lewis-hamilton-and-nico-rosberg
Just read that, in this interview Lauda says Lewis destroyed room in the motorhome. Apparently Mercedes have just downplayed Lauda’s comments, saying that, although Hamilton was angry, the room was not ‘destroyed’.
Football sensationalist journalism is infecting F1. Sheeesh that's ugly.