Nevilles.Wear.Prada
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Lots of managerial merry go arounds will happen post Euro.. so probably they waiting for southgate getting fired.
You do see contrasting statements there right?There are good arguments on both sides, but the ‘Ten Hag out’ cultists ignore all arguments in favour. None of the ‘Ten Hag in’ posters do this, no one ignores the bad stuff.
The fans have a more balanced view and that is why there is overwhelming support for not sacking Ten Hag right now.
The hard cold data: two seasons two trophies.
If you are in favour of replacing Ten Hag based on league performance, I understand. How big do you think his role is in this failed season? How big a part do other factors play?
The hard cold data: Our worst finish in the premier league ever. Hard cold data: Last place in a extremely easy champions league group.There are good arguments on both sides, but the ‘Ten Hag out’ cultists ignore all arguments in favour. None of the ‘Ten Hag in’ posters do this, no one ignores the bad stuff.
The fans have a more balanced view and that is why there is overwhelming support for not sacking Ten Hag right now.
The hard cold data: two seasons two trophies.
If you are in favour of replacing Ten Hag based on league performance, I understand. How big do you think his role is in this failed season? How big a part do other factors play?
Not sure where you are getting blaming the manager from, apart from you just want to blame him? He literally says him and the medical staff......Shaw: “I felt something against Aston Villa and came off at half-time. I didn’t train the whole week and when the scan came back, there wasn’t too much there."
“I then trained the day before the game (at Luton) - and if the manager asks me to play, I’m never going to say ‘no.’ But I shouldn’t have played. It’s kind of everyone’s fault. Partly my fault, partly the medical staff. I think everyone would admit that.”
Not a good look when our biggest injury problem is blaming the manager partly and the second biggest we know got a calf injury after being rushed back from the knee injury.
Factos.The hard cold data: Our worst finish in the premier league ever. Hard cold data: Last place in a extremely easy champions league group.
His tactics and stubbornly sticking by them until the last 3 games of the season are a massive reason for our failure this season.
Injuries where a huge factor as well, but he had options to change playstyle to suit the players available and he simply didnt do that until it was to late.
That is basically all the cup win is. A win against Liverpool and City in an otherwise horrendous season. It’s not enough. Not even close.We hate the Glazers, don’t trust INEOS yet, and recognize how big an accomplishment the FA cup win was with enigmatic wins against Pool and Cheaty.
Sounds more like the medical staff gave him the all clear after missing something. Not sure how you've concluded that to be the fault of the manager? We obviously need a huge overhaul in our medical department, hopefully soon after that guy from Arsenal completed his review a few months ago.Shaw: “I felt something against Aston Villa and came off at half-time. I didn’t train the whole week and when the scan came back, there wasn’t too much there."
“I then trained the day before the game (at Luton) - and if the manager asks me to play, I’m never going to say ‘no.’ But I shouldn’t have played. It’s kind of everyone’s fault. Partly my fault, partly the medical staff. I think everyone would admit that.”
Not a good look when our biggest injury problem is blaming the manager partly and the second biggest we know got a calf injury after being rushed back from the knee injury.
Shush your filthy mouthThe longer this takes, the more realistic Southgate at Old Trafford becomes.
I know there's some on here who are not aligned with Sir Jim's vision but I think he'd do well in the right setup.Shush your filthy mouth
Thankfully we have the euros to allow Southgate to take himself out of contention.The longer this takes, the more realistic Southgate at Old Trafford becomes.
the manager should also carry some of the blame, seems like common sense not to make an injury prone player do too many minutes post a long term injury but both Shaw and martinez were rushed backSounds more like the medical staff gave him the all clear after missing something. Not sure how you've concluded that to be the fault of the manager? We obviously need a huge overhaul in our medical department, hopefully soon after that guy from Arsenal completed his review a few months ago.
I know there's some on here who are not aligned with Sir Jim's vision but I think he'd do well in the right setup.
The only reason to pretend the club is still undecided about Ezza is if the new boss already has a job for the next few weeks.
Rule, Britannia!The longer this takes, the more realistic Southgate at Old Trafford becomes.
The manager goes by the medical staff recommendations. The medical staff have shown on multiple occasions to be wrong about the player readiness. It's outstanding how people will clutch to primarily blaming the manager by default.the manager should also carry some of the blame, seems like common sense not to make an injury prone player do too many minutes post a long term injury but both Shaw and martinez were rushed back
Not really.I know there's some on here who are not aligned with Sir Jim's vision but I think he'd do well in the right setup.
The only reason to pretend the club is still undecided about Ezza is if the new boss already has a job for the next few weeks.
The longer this takes the more likely it is he is staying so the opposite actually.The longer this takes, the more realistic Southgate at Old Trafford becomes.
He didnt have a compromised squad when we beat City to win the cup, and if that’s the type football his plan is to make us a winning machine, 27% posssesion, then no thanks, we had Ole do that beating City 4 times and reaching a European final.And yet, 80% still support him. Why is that?
We hate the Glazers, don’t trust INEOS yet, and recognize how big an accomplishment the FA cup win was with enigmatic wins against Pool and Cheaty.
They also see how he is developing youth. He told Mainoo last year after the League Cup that his time would come.
He has a plan to make us a winning machine: the cup wins despite a compromised squad are evidence of that.
Control of possession means nothing if you can't do anything with it. Very few would say we deserved to lose the final or we weren't in control of the final. Ironically, many would say that was the worst they've been City play in ages.He didnt have a compromised squad when we beat City to win the cup, and if that’s the type football his plan is to make us a winning machine, 27% posssesion, then no thanks, we had Ole do that beating City 4 times and reaching a European final.
Hazard a guess how much possession Real Madrid had this season when they played against City ? Do you think there's a team out there in the world who can dominate possession against City ? Or do you also think City didn't deserve to lose that final against us because they dominated possession?He didnt have a compromised squad when we beat City to win the cup, and if that’s the type football his plan is to make us a winning machine, 27% posssesion, then no thanks, we had Ole do that beating City 4 times and reaching a European final.
City being at their worst (after a week of celebrating the league title) is exactly why no one should get carried away by the result and ignore what we saw for the rest of the season.Control of possession means nothing if you can't do anything with it. Very few would say we deserved to lose the final or we weren't in control of the final. Ironically, many would say that was the worst they've been City play in ages.
And yet he keeps deferring to their decision?The manager goes by the medical staff recommendations. The medical staff have shown on multiple occasions to be wrong about the player readiness. It's outstanding how people will clutch to primarily blaming the manager by default.
What's he supposed to do? He sought to them, he sought to the player and got a yes on both sides.And yet he keeps deferring to their decision?
If as you say the medical staff have shown on multiple occasions to be wrong about the player readiness. Have you considered the idea that he could not listen to them?What's he supposed to do? He sought to them, he sought to the player and got a yes on both sides.
He has to rely on his medical staff for consultation on this, but he also asked the player too.If as you say the medical staff have shown on multiple occasions to be wrong about the player readiness. Have you considered the idea that he could not listen to them?
And just play it much more conservatively than they want to with players returning from injury. He is the manager after all, it's ultimately his decision and responsibility.
''Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me 27 times...''
City in Ole's days is no where near as good as current CityHe didnt have a compromised squad when we beat City to win the cup, and if that’s the type football his plan is to make us a winning machine, 27% posssesion, then no thanks, we had Ole do that beating City 4 times and reaching a European final.
He doesn't get any credit for that either then?City being at their worst (after a week of celebrating the league title) is exactly why no one should get carried away by the result and ignore what we saw for the rest of the season.
Doesnt suit the goal of ETH out, so ofcourse not.He doesn't get any credit for that either then?
They wanted him sacked before the final because they didn't think he stood a chance. And after a well earned victory without any contraversey theyl make some other shit up. It's actually fun to read at times at what new reasons they pull out of their arse.Doesnt suit the goal of ETH out, so ofcourse not.
Medical staff clear player. Player clears player. EtH fault - what a surprise.the manager should also carry some of the blame, seems like common sense not to make an injury prone player do too many minutes post a long term injury but both Shaw and martinez were rushed back
I can't believe this is how low its getting now from the EtH crowd. EtH is in the wrong for not ignoring his medical staff.If as you say the medical staff have shown on multiple occasions to be wrong about the player readiness. Have you considered the idea that he could not listen to them?
And just play it much more conservatively than they want to with players returning from injury. He is the manager after all, it's ultimately his decision and responsibility.
''Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me 27 times...''
That is obviously not the plan, we have only played like this to beat opponents who have much better squads than ours.He didnt have a compromised squad when we beat City to win the cup, and if that’s the type football his plan is to make us a winning machine, 27% posssesion, then no thanks, we had Ole do that beating City 4 times and reaching a European final.
Lots of failures who don't back ETH as well.A failure backs another failure. News at 7.
They deserve Southgate.Medical staff clear player. Player clears player. EtH fault - what a surprise.
Not even Shaw mentioned EtH, yet here we find redcafe members knowing better and deciding its EtHs fault.
Had you of known at the time he was cleared to play and not played, 100% you'd have used it as stick to beat EtH with.
I can't believe this is how low its getting now from the EtH crowd. EtH is in the wrong for not ignoring his medical staff.
feck me.
Yes, there is good and bad this season. I believe I have a balanced view.You do see contrasting statements there right?
Before the final the line up was a reason to sack ETH too. He was a coward for playing Rashford instead of Amad for example.They wanted him sacked before the final because they didn't think he stood a chance. And after a well earned victory without any contraversey theyl make some other shit up. It's actually fun to read at times at what new reasons they pull out of their arse.