feck it Glaston's attitude to this has moved this from a 'no way' to a 'yes please' for me.
Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."
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Could be right there. My main criticism of Herrera is that he's not precise or creative enough. Something that top teams excel with. Not singling him out, because most are bad for it, but I can't help but feel it's a position that majorly contributes to what others do.
Stuff like this is why I've gone from kinda liking Spurs to hating them. A couple of decent seasons and you're gobshites
Spurs discover pitfalls of offering low wages while winning nothing .
To be fair Glaston was an annoying gobshite when Spurs were regularly finishing midtable and we were battering them twice a season.
Spurs improvement has just given him more ammo. Christ knows what he'd be like if they actually won something.
Spurs improvement has just given him more ammo. Christ knows what he'd be like if they actually won something.
Thank God that day won't be coming anytime soon.
In his defence, he played a different role last season and I think that curbed his creative side. They were times when he was the holding midfielder which he did well but I don't think its his best role.
His passing and close control are fantastic and I think that would benefit the team further forward. Again, I might be totally off with this but this is how I'd like to see us set up. Just to get the best out of Pogba really.
? They've won the prestigious 'finished above United' trophy this season. At least, I assume it's a trophy the amount Glaston bangs on about it.
Yeah, this has 'Alvaro Morata' written all over it. Given that Lukaku admitted that he's known for months that we were after him, the Morata briefs were the smokiest of screens.
I hope we really are after him, but I just can't see why spurs would sell.. I'm staying out of this one until Dier publicly voices that he wants to move.
feck it, life is too short. Sign him up!
The money being suggested for him is mental, but this season the prices have taken a particularly large step up again, even so, I think he would be a good addition to the side as a successor to Carrick, who might be in his final season.
A lot of the comments in here were the same sort of things people were saying about Carrick when he came to United and look how that turned out.
However, I can't really see then letting go of Dier and Walker in the same window, both important players for them.
A lot of the comments in here were the same sort of things people were saying about Carrick when he came to United and look how that turned out.
However, I can't really see then letting go of Dier and Walker in the same window, both important players for them.
Contracts are meaningless, thats a fact in football today.
All a contract means in football is we agree to pay you and you agree to play, for now!
DO you think spurs actually wanted to sell Carrick? Bale? Modric? Or everton, Lukaku. scoousehampton, toothy. Goonies, Sanchez. United, Pogba? or Ronaldo who just signed a 5 year deal the summer before. DO you think we wanted to sell DDG in 2015, even this summer Real thought they'd click their fingers, DDG told em do one. There is reams worth of players who wanted to leave that clubs wanted to stay.
Players have all the power, if they decide they are leaving thats pretty much it. The club can make a plea to the player and he may relent but its his decision and you'd probably only have to look at chelsea to see what happens when you refuse to sell players and how they downed tools. This off season, again coffee is at it and lets see who he brings with him this time.
How many times do you need to hear about no loyality in football anymore and contracts mean nothing in football, before you realise its true. I get its not the Sanchez situation but its all Dier's decision to make or the rot it creates is just not worth it.
Hi @GlastonSpur , I think you forgot to reply to this.
Not sure what you mean by that. They have won quite a lot:
Joint premier league season champions: 2015-17
Net spend trophy: Multiple times
We have got Harry Kane trophy
Almost competed for PL trophy
Agree with this. Herrera is extremely overrated. He gets more of a pass than others because he's got a great attitude.
The reality is that he'd look a little out of place in Real, Barca or Bayern's midfield. He's just not top quality.
Much to generic of an answer, of course big name players can force a move not denying it but thats not the same for every player. All the players you have mentioned in your post are in the world class bracket and in saying that we kept hold of both Modric and Berbatov for another season after they both stated they wanted to move.
Dier is not in that bracket of players who has the power to force a move, if he even wanted to. There are many examples of players not getting there way as has been seen in the last season or so. The teams simply don't need to sell like they used to.
I presume we can either force this to happen or at least force spurs to pay him double what he's on, which would be a result too.
I thought about this all last night and I think I like the move. We probably have to accept that Mourinho is after a shield, not a deep play maker. He wants a tall and strong player to add to that overall theme.
At Dier's age he could really improve. He is good on the ball and has the physical attributes, if he can learn a lot from Mourinho and Carrick he could well be the best holder in the league for a number of years. If he is that then 50m is a fair price.
If Mourinho gets sacked and moves on then it'll probably be money not well spent, just like with all the other players other managers brought it, but if Mourinho stays for a while then I think this will work out.
I thought about this all last night and I think I like the move. We probably have to accept that Mourinho is after a shield, not a deep play maker. He wants a tall and strong player to add to that overall theme.
At Dier's age he could really improve. He is good on the ball and has the physical attributes, if he can learn a lot from Mourinho and Carrick he could well be the best holder in the league for a number of years. If he is that then 50m is a fair price.
If Mourinho gets sacked and moves on then it'll probably be money not well spent, just like with all the other players other managers brought it, but if Mourinho stays for a while then I think this will work out.
Idiotic and childish response, Glaston. Still, expect nothing less.
Thanks for the detailed econometric analysis on the development of economics in professional football, but that was not the point.
£50m was a helluva lot of money 10 years ago just as it is today, perhaps not on the same level but come on, seriously, you can't really be trying to tell me that Levy woiuld scoff at such a bid, that's ridiculous. Clearly the bid would come under immense consideration and I firmly believe he would accept it.
The Glaston vs the people that trawl the forum trying to pick a fight with him is the one of the worst things on here.
His silly jibes only work because they are many willing and gullible people that fall for them
His silly jibes only work because they are many willing and gullible people that fall for them
Levy won't budge on the wage structure at Spurs.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/daniel-levy-insists-tottenham-not-10387520
Let's learn from what's happened over the past 10-days.
Nobody of ANY note has any darn clue who we are signing. United are keeping everything very close to their chest. And take it from me, they are playing the media like fools. Lots of misdirection going on.
Nobody of ANY note has any darn clue who we are signing. United are keeping everything very close to their chest. And take it from me, they are playing the media like fools. Lots of misdirection going on.
Not sure if anyone feels like this, but as someone who grew up watching us in the 90s with the likes of Giggs and Kanchelskis breaking so quickly (and 2008-era Rooney and Ronaldo) it's actually hard to watch the pace of our football lately. And adding Dier will mean a lot more of the patient sideways and backwards passing we've seen so much of. I know the game has changed, I just think that feeds in to the lack of spark from midfield. Would love to see a player like Alexis add some urgency, can't see it happening sadly.
just seen this posted on Manchester Evening News United page,
Eesaa @Eesaamanutd
Dier is a smokescreen for Fabhino and perisic is a smokescreen for Alexis Sanchez. #mufc, remember this tweet!!!
Eesaa @Eesaamanutd
Dier is a smokescreen for Fabhino and perisic is a smokescreen for Alexis Sanchez. #mufc, remember this tweet!!!
Yep.
Alexis would be much better in DM than Dier, who as you rightly point out is a poor mans Giggs/Kanchelskis.
Would make Dier the 14th most expensive signing in football history and the 7th most expensive midfielder (Oscar went to China for 60million!). Dier would cost along the lines of De Bruyne who was only bought 2 years ago and was one of the best in Germany. Dier will cost more than Lacazette, a proven goal scorer in a world where goal scorers are most valuable. Dier will cost more than Di Maria on route to PSG.
I won't believe this until it happens, because this should put managers right off buying English talent if true. £50 odd mill seems to be the starting price for an England international, even though England are ranked 13th in world football.
Honestly I don't think he would, unless Poch agrees to it. I mean aledgedly we have been offered £45M for Walker and Levy has refused. I've said it time and time again Levy has only sold a player that a) was seen as not needed or b) forced his had publicity and kicked up a stink. It's media spin that Levy likes to sell. I don't think he will be sold this summer, especially not if Walker is sold. The Walker sale will give us the £50 odd million, plus hopefully Sissoko being sold, we need to make what ever signings Poch wants (we're hearing at least 2).
All we can do is speculate as to what is happening but with the league kicking off in less than a month I'd say any player that was going to try and force a move would have started already.
That Twitter account belongs to a 16 year old with 200 followers
Jose doesn't play fast attacking football, never has never will. We need to move on from that mate.
Plus the chances of Wenger sanctioning the move of Alexis Sanchez to United are about slim to none.
Quite a weird response, I'm just pointing out adding Dier would continue a slow build up in our play, rather than a pacier DM. As a separate point, adding Alexis as an attacking option would give us some spark and urgency
We should sign him at any price
There are not too many players I'd buy at any price and Dier is surely not one of them!
A DMs role isn't to run with the ball, his pace shouldn't effect how fast a team attacks. It's his passing and awareness your looking at, the ability to win the ball feed the more creative players.
It's a very poor point to be honest.
Your priority attribute for a DM is their speed in attack? Do you know what the D in DM stands for?
You name Ronaldo, Rooney and Giggs, 3 of our best attackers ever, in the history of the club. Is it a massive wonder that we can't just instantly replace these guys and replicate that football?
Leaving behind the point that it has nothing to do with Dier, Matic, Fabinho or any other DM.
Fair enough if you think we play more laborious football under LvG & now Mourinho to express it in the Dier thread and drag Sanchez in is a very jumbled up sort of point. In actuality a player like Dier would perhaps free up Pogba, Herrera or our wingers/forwards to be a bit more adventurous.
Well then hopefully the transfer will happen if he knows he can double his wage here or more. Going rate for a started in this team is surely 100k+
That Twitter account belongs to a 16 year old with 200 followers
and the MEN are taking this has something worth posting , just another rag.His club don't see him as good enough to hold for them and he has been less than great for England. What makes you predict these heights?
The Guardian reporting that we are after Dier and he is "open to a move".
I have a feeling that we can get this done if the player makes a scene at Spurs but he won't come cheap.
Levy is of course the biggest obstacle.
I have a feeling that we can get this done if the player makes a scene at Spurs but he won't come cheap.
Levy is of course the biggest obstacle.
Kudos to the people making Glaston do a scouting report for a player he's adamant we won't get. Keep up the good work.
Remind me who are Spurs' realistic taergets this window? I think it's the fact that most of us don't rate Dier that has upset you
Remind me who are Spurs' realistic targets this window? I think it's the fact that most of us don't rate Dier that has upset you,
They are completely different players, Carrick always had an eye for a pass and was very technical, I think whoever we deploy in CDM needs a comparable passing range and Eric Dier simply does not.
To be fair Lukaku was still a player we were linked with and journos had said earlier in the summer we were after him. It's not like we signed a completely left field player who no one had ever guessed we'd be in for.
Even if Dier was a smokescreen who would it be for? Fabinho? I'd be very surprised if we landed someone which literally 0 journalists had predicted. Remember the Lindelof transfer was called pretty early and a lot of people knew about it before it happened
Dier isn't even that good, but Spurs won't want to sell him to us out of principle alone. As you can see from all the Spurs fans on here, they have small man syndrome, and at every opportunity desperately go out of their way to try and make out they're a big club like us.
Levy can be whatever he wants to be, but this could well be the first step into the inevitable. Spurs have done brilliantly, but they are still Spurs and they are still not winning anything. Players love playing for them when they are part of the group that excels, up to a certain point - and now we see Walker and maybe Dier flirting with other, bigger clubs. What happens to Kane and Alli if they yet again (which is very, very likely) don't win anything this season? There is not a big difference between Spurs and Everton to be honest, other than Spurs at the moment being a much better team on the pitch. A few years ago Everton were better than Spurs, but all in all both teams are just two of the ones trying to make a living behind the big clubs in England - the big picture does not change just because Tottenham have finished a couple of times in the top four.