This has been said about Shaw since he signed for us 100 years ago
Eric Bailly - English players were favoured
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Who honestly gives a toss if Maguire had preferential treatment? All managers have their preferred players, all of them. If the competition (ie Bailly) wasn’t complete garbage then they would be given more of a chance, and that’s ignoring the fact that Bailly has always been a moaning gobshite that hardly endears himself to managers.
As it were, Maguire also continued throughout hard-hitting, renegade maverick Rangnick’s tenure as manager as well. Because Bailly is actually quite a turd defender.
1) True or not he is still a Man Utd player and its out of order. Same as Henderson. Shut the fk up until you are no longer a United player. Even when you are sold its a bit dirty but definitely not when you are still a United player.
2) Doesn't matter if people think he is the best CB in the league or not. Fact is that 4 managers didn't think so and he has been injury prone. I'm sure if he was better than VDJ then he would have made it. He didn't. That's facts
2) Doesn't matter if people think he is the best CB in the league or not. Fact is that 4 managers didn't think so and he has been injury prone. I'm sure if he was better than VDJ then he would have made it. He didn't. That's facts
It's quite possible that Eric Bailly is injury prone, and not the best CB in the world and is still completely correct in pointing out that English players, particularly Maguire get preferential treatment. I don't know how any United fan could have watched last season, where 2 managers did this, and argue with what Bailly is saying.
Obviously Bailly since it affected him, hence his comments. Maguire is quite a turd defender as well so I'm not sure what grant point you think you made.
Because it's absolute garbage, as evidenced by many other posts in the thread. It's probably more than an £80m acquisition was favoured, who happened to be English. But by all means, please take the word of one of the maddest feckers to ever have pulled on a United shirt.
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Managers prefer players who are available shock, Varane last year and Bailly for 3 years were injured a lot of course a manager relies on players he trusts will be fit week in week out
Should we have played Bailly more often to avoid hurting his feelings? As bad as Maguire was, Bailly was actually just as bad if not worse when he had the chance to play. That’s why Bailly is being farmed out to another league currently.
Rangnick did bench Maguire in 4 league games last season, of the 24 for which he was in charge. We went with Lindelof-Varane at the back in these 4 games.
We drew 2 and lost 2, conceding 9 goals - in the last one, we were 4-0 down when Maguire came on in the 70th minute for damage limitation.
The point here is, Maguire getting selected ( ahead of Bailly, Tuanzebe or Jones) despite being in terrible form is not an example of preferential treatment when there are no viable alternatives. If we had Martinez last season and he wasn't getting in the team, then yes. We did not.
None of Shaw, Wan-Bissaka, or Rashford stayed in the team consistently despite being out of form last season, either. I'm quite sure Rashford's longest streak of consecutive league starts was 3 games.
He cost £80 million. Ole's biggest outlay. Was no doubt difficult to drop him plus the other options are/were wank. Not sure if being British was why he was captain. Evra was captain when Ole played as well as Schmeical and Keane. I doubt it matters that much
Dig at Ole?
Every manager has favorites that have served them well in the past. I don't have problem with that. Also it's up to other to grab any chance that was given.
Smalling was often not favored to other CBs when seasons start. But he grabbed any chance he got, and the manager has no choice to put him back because he just performed better than others. That's one of reasons i admire Smalling.
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I don't like players slagging off clubs the second they leave but he's saying the exact same thing I thought was by far the biggest problem when Ole was in charge. There were no standards and no reason for any player to respect the manager, because certain players kept getting picked no matter how badly they performed or how obviously unfit they were. Then Rangnick came in and didn't really address it.
I assume he's referring to Maguire specifically and tbh if you were a CB at United last season and capable of performing about conference league level, you'd have had every right to be fecked off at him being constantly picked ahead of you.
I assume he's referring to Maguire specifically and tbh if you were a CB at United last season and capable of performing about conference league level, you'd have had every right to be fecked off at him being constantly picked ahead of you.
How do you justify sticking by Maguire after he costs you 11 goals in 3 games, most of which were directly his fault?
Having players you rely on is fine, when they are reliable. When they aren't all it does is create a toxic squad because some players know they can get away with anything and others know no matter how much work they put in they'll never be given a fair chance.
The thing is, it’s a shallow argument. It would make more sense if Bailly said that the club strictly wanted British players as starters but as far as I’m aware, that’s not what he’s insinuating. My take is that Bailly feels that the British players benefit from an elevated status at the club. Maguire is the perfect example of this. Do people really feel that he would’ve been made captain if he was the same player but with an Ivorian background for instance? There’s no way he would’ve been given the same status if he wasn’t English. This isn’t to say that the only reason he was in the team was because of his nationality, but it certainly does help. The same could be said for other players too. I’m sure the reaction in the media plays a part in this too. When Rashford was dropped initially, there was an outcry of journalists complaining about his treatment. I doubt this would be the case if he was of a different nationality and wasn’t from the academy.
I don’t think it’s even a massive issue to be honest, this club’s identity was built on homegrown talents so, it’s no surprise that Ole wanted to continue that legacy but to pretend that it didn’t impact his thinking is strange given the evidence we’ve seen. Acting as if the fact that Lindelof and Varane Started over Bailly discredits his argument just seems like a poor attempt to deflect from his argument by focusing on an irrelevant point, and it’s the same tactic used by racists to cover for their bullshit.
Didn't know lindelof was english.
I think lindelof and bailly were a terrible partnership that brought out the worst in each other. If bailly was going to get starts it was always going to be next to maguire. Talking shit about him incessantly probably didn't help his chances.
Being fit to play for more than 5 minutes probably would have helped too.
I think lindelof and bailly were a terrible partnership that brought out the worst in each other. If bailly was going to get starts it was always going to be next to maguire. Talking shit about him incessantly probably didn't help his chances.
Being fit to play for more than 5 minutes probably would have helped too.
It's not irrelevant because it's directly related to Bailly's argument.
If Maguire gets preferential treatment (in Bailly's own words, takes it for granted that he's going to start), that implies at least part of the manager's reasoning for picking Maguire over Bailly is because he's English. This is flawed because we have clear evidence that the manager* did not in fact give Maguire preferential treatment over non-English players, dropping him in 1/6th of the games he managed last season - he just did it only when Varane and Lindelof were both fit, because he clearly rated them and did not rate Bailly. Hard to look back at Bailly's 6 years with us and say his assessment was off.
*the manager in question here is Rangnick - I'm almost certain Bailly's grievance will have been with Solskjaer and stems from the specific example of the Leicester away game last season, but again, my previous posts in here laid out why I think Solskjaer's choice to pick Maguire over Bailly in that game (and generally) was justified without the benefit of hindsight.
Bloke was a constant sicknote and/or a liability ffs
if he doesnt like it he shuld just leave are country
Indeed. ‘Two World Wars, One World Cup’.
Like others have said, sometimes manager need to bring underperformed players go through games. RvP had drought games, but SAF just kept playing him through.
But agreed, there should be a balance though.
There's a lot of revisionism on Shaw. They completely forget he's had multiple good seasons for agendas.
He was bad last season, no need to invent stuff.
So we should disregard the previous award too because Mourinho was only there for half the season?
Maguire wouldnt even be a Manchester United player if he wasnt born in England
What a chump Clown on the pitch and disruptive figure off the pitch. Had potential, but his self-awareness and injuries probably stopped him from becoming a great CB. Bailly probably looking for excuses and blame others for failing at United.
Clown on the pitch and disruptive figure off the pitch. Had potential, but his self-awareness and injuries probably stopped him from becoming a great CB. Bailly probably looking for excuses and blame others for failing at United...and neither captain on the national team
Maguire before Bailly every day of the week.
He quite literally owned up to all this in the same interview but people want to jump all over him without reading itWhat a chump
He was also only hurt for under 2 weeks last season yet only played 7 matches in a season where our backline was beyond porous, he absolutely has a point. Lindelof was hurt for a month in comparison yet still got 35 matches
Bailly probably has a point but truth be told if you're looking to take a spot from an italian in Italy you need to be at least 20 % better. Same with Germany, France or England. Don't know about Ivory Coast but I suspect same goes there. Fans identify with locally brought up players and look up to foreign marquee players. Henderson/Salah, Müller/Lewandowski.
Besides the point if our management above the manager does not sort itself out
Bailly is probably right about favouritism but, then again, it’s not like Maguire was being picked instead of Vidic. Bailly was yet another waste of money who would not get a game at any top 6 PL club.
70 league games since joining in 2016, Eric has done okay himself lasting that long. As much as we make fun of Jones, Bailly has played in 5 more league games in that same period. Club has been a mess for a long time and Eric epitomizes that as much as anyone.
Luckhurst made the point on Twitter that Solskjaer wanted him gone when he got the contract renewal.
He was obviously not gonna favour him. He just thought he wasn't good. That's all.
He was obviously not gonna favour him. He just thought he wasn't good. That's all.
It played a big part, I agree.
This should be pinned to the top of the page. Bailly is a useless fecker and a waste of space. Clearly been feeding the press for months also.
Never fit, and when he was fit he’d look good for a little while and then throw in some ludicrous performance not worthy of the shirt. Glad we’re seeing the back of this lot.
This is very true, it’s not exclusive to United or English teams, and I can see the logic behind it, I don’t know why some are so bemused.
He's right
At the time there were reports the player was reluctant to sign as he knew it was driven by the clubs value policy, yet he still signed it
To be fair Ole thought Maguire was worth 80 million and the captain's armband so his judgement is highly questionable.
Foreign signings were quite rare in the 90's and 00's?
From the mid 90's onwards foreigners were signed almost every summer mate.
Also thought AWB was worth 50m as well after scouting hundreds of RB's
Oh cheer up mate.
And to be fair I'm not wrong about Rangnick not giving him a chance.
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