Wow, really? Why on earth would they do that?
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Something about their FA looking at Nigerian born players only at the time for their youth teams
He is one crazy fearless fecker, isn't he? Better signing than Ibra and Pogba so far.
What a character. Love him.
What a character. Love him.
Lucas Radebe wasn't that good? Have a word...
I jizzed myself silly over him in the newbies when he played for Villareal, and thought he could easily become a top cb. But now that I've actually seen him in the PL I genuinely think he with time and coaching can become a top5 CB in the world.
The strength in duels, the aggressiveness, the physique and pace was all very clear at Villareal, but these on the ball skills and also heading (was a weak point in La Liga) has convinced me 100%.
Part of the reason why he didn't stand out with his on the ball skills in La Liga probably is because CBs there are held to a higher standard when it comes to on the ball skills. But he was playing entirely more as a first line tackler there, and not a distributor. More a Vida than a Rio. Here in the PL he does a bit of both.
The strength in duels, the aggressiveness, the physique and pace was all very clear at Villareal, but these on the ball skills and also heading (was a weak point in La Liga) has convinced me 100%.
Part of the reason why he didn't stand out with his on the ball skills in La Liga probably is because CBs there are held to a higher standard when it comes to on the ball skills. But he was playing entirely more as a first line tackler there, and not a distributor. More a Vida than a Rio. Here in the PL he does a bit of both.
i wonder where this "obsession" with centre backs' passing came from? did it star with lvg? genuinely wondering because i don't remember anyone caring about this 2 or 3 years ago now you see it in every discussion regarding defenders. the guy has shown himself to be an absolute monster CB thus far and his ability on the ball is more than great considering his position, i don't feel like he needs to "reach" a certain level regarding his passing ability to be considered "complete". I mean, he is fast, strong, great in the air, aggressive, has an eye for interceptions and assured on his tackles.
I never warmed so fast to a defender since the good old Vidic and Rio days. Beast of a defender, around everyone in the team, that slide during the celebrations. He does everything right at the moment, think he is quickly becoming a fans favourite.
The Martial thread was like this 1 year ago and now it has turned sour. I hope this thread isn't the same in 1 year.
He wasn't. Not in the top class bracket. To be top class, you have to play for the biggest teams or really be outstanding. Best defender from the continent though.
The Martial threaad hasn't turned sour. just people saying h's out of form
If Baily is as good as Tony last season we are absolutely set.
And Martial is too talented not to recover his best.
If I'm not mistaken, had Ferguson had it his way, he'd have been playing for us.
Also, by this logic, was someone like Shearer not top class?
Shearer was a top talent in a Premier League winning team and a record goalscorer.
The Rooney's thread has turned sour, The Depay's thread has turned sour but the Martial's thread is nowhere near that point, just some kneejerking a bit but most people understand he hasn't kicked on yet and will eventually get back on track.
I have read many posters say Rashford should start ahead of Martial. That's almost as bad as playing Young over Di Maria (LVG era)
Well like I said, you have your typical knee jerk posters here and there as all those vying for Rashford to play ahead of Martial on the wing after a good sub appearance have shown but that's about it.
I think more people are still understanding with Martial's poor performances so far due to various factors and most are expecting him to get back in form soon.
Yeah but they are right, you play the in form players, especially with young players out of form, it helps them sort their head to drop them for a little bit. Nobody is saying Rashford is better than marital that I have seen, but starting a player bang in form or a passenger is really quite an easy call. Then when Martial shows the right desire and starts showing it in training he can come straight back in to the team.
Martial is an integral part of our team right now and it's important to get him back running and kicking as soon as possible. With him it's just a case of form having swayed away a bit and he's likely to rediscover it rather sooner than later, however in order to do that he needs to get playing a bit more.
This isn't like a Rooney's case where we know he just isn't up to high level football anymore which dropping would make sense. Martial is just having a slow start(like Kane had last season for Spurs just as an example) and will get on with his game most likely soon.
Beside even with his supbar performances so far, he's still a threat and get opposition thinking about him. Rashford should stick to striker role, the reason he's been so good so far is because he's been bedded in accordingly and not given plenty of responsibilities.
There is a huge difference between playing cameos and shining in them to being given a regular position where you're expected to deliver every week. You put Rashford on the wing instead of Martial, his performances won't be as impactful as they seem when he's given these striker cameo bit and people will start thinking he isn't performing well thus leading to doubt and eventually lack of confidence in the kid.
He's not ready to take on an entire role/position as his own(like people and media want to believe), let alone on the wing(which make his task much harder given he gets his applaud for his goal scoring feats). Martial has proven throughout an entire season he can play on that left wing for us and in form is a terrific player. Logically we try to get him back into that form with a bit more patience.
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Like Rooney?
In my personal opinion, I would rather give someone else a chance rather than Rooney, even though he is contributing. Same with Martial.
It's still early in the season, others could show to do better rather than having to wait for someone to improve.
That said, I trust Mourinho's judgement.
What does that say to the rest of the squad? Even if you're on form and the player ahead of you is playing terribly you won't get a game? It's not as if Rashford is a massive downgrade.
Que the Rooney debate..... And we are still waiting on a decent performance 2 years later
Indeed
Radebe played for a big team and he was one of the outstanding CBs of the PL in his time or are we saying Leeds wasn't big enough?
We should pick players based on their quality, not on their form in my opinion
In a game against our biggest title rivals, I'd prefer to put our the best possible side, that doesn't include players who are out of form.
No, there needs to be a balance because form over time is what we should judge players on. Not what they were, otherwise why not buy Kaka?
Is Kompany now & last season as good as he was in his best season? Hell no.
Is Rooney for the past 2-3 seasons as good as in his prime? No.
How do you find out if a player could be good enough, if you don't give them a chance because another player is quality and therefore should always start despite being hilariously bad in the last 5 games?
Every player deserves chances to prove they're good enough but if the manager becomes complacent and lets 'quality players' never have to fight for their place.
Those 'quality players' aren't going to be as willing to give 100% or to improve what they're lacking as they know they can't be dropped.
Surely part of a players' quality is held in their ability to perform to a high level consistently? World class players don't score hat tricks every game, but equally they very rarely have long periods where they're not performing to a high level.
Keeping an out of form player in a team when there's alternatives can be very detrimental to the team morale.
That is a very strange statement
But surely having a consistently good form makes you quality?
Every player has a ceiling. For example Young could be in good form. But I would still an average form Martial ahead of him.
Looking at the most recent posts, this thread needs more Bailly.
He's very young and learnin', probably behind even Shaw in terms of experience. So what he has shown so far is highly impressive. This article
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...league-spain-la-liga-transfer-window-signings
implies that he is not a top tier talent but there is every reason to hope that he is.
He's very young and learnin', probably behind even Shaw in terms of experience. So what he has shown so far is highly impressive. This article
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...league-spain-la-liga-transfer-window-signings
implies that he is not a top tier talent but there is every reason to hope that he is.
Come on SL!!
Saying a player is out of form is not being sour.
That would be great.
Here's hoping Bailly plays substandard haha.
But really it would be a massive help if they won as we wouldn't lose him for a month.
But really it would be a massive help if they won as we wouldn't lose him for a month.
No thanks, I'd prefer if he continues to play well and gets a chance to represent his country.
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