Enzo Fernández | signs for Chelsea

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Crap forums or not, it feels like your biggest ones aren't even as active as the spurs arse ones. Not having a dig but genuinely disappointed
Chelsea have more social media followers than Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool etc though..
 
Yep, all true. His ability to do everything on such a good level (defending, passing, ball carrying) has ironically impacted him a bit in his career. And it manifested in him trying to fill the holes in that Chelsea midfield which occurred when he was paired with either Jorginho or Kante. Both combos are lacking in balance and it still functioned on an extremely high level at times. I was actually impressed with the shape of the whole team at times under Tuchel. But, Kovacic's biggest strength was always breaking the lines/driving forward with the ball and that aspect was never used to full potential in Chelsea.

If Chelsea keep him, his potential partnership with Enzo will be interesting. There is a lot going on at your club atm and it is pretty hard to figure out how will you lined up next season.

Yeah you're spot on. Ideally you'd partner Kovacic with someone who is happy to sit deep and sweep horizontally, allowing Kovacic to both carry the ball from deep and press high, but we haven't had a player like that during his whole tenure. Casemiro would seem an ideal fit. Also think Kovacic could allow for more flexibility in terms of team setup with someone like Bruno - who could potentially play as a true 8 with Kovacic and Casemiro next to him. On paper a lot of very nice vertical rotations both carrying and passing the ball in a midfield like that, plus Antony might be able to stay a bit higher if it's a true 4-3-3 and that might suit him as well.
 
Like I said, I don't know if it's a disaster or not, was just interested in the general implications for teams going forward.

Fair enough, and in fairness to myself I did initially only respond directly to @StiffTackle but I was happy to continue the conversation with you. I get you though. No probs :)
 
Casemiro would seem an ideal fit.

Yeah, tailor made for him. Tailor made for a lot of players tbf, but especially for someone in the mould of Kovacic. Same goes for De Jong who would solve most of our problems or at least put as much, much closer to how ten Hag wants to play, but am really worried about going back and forth with Barcelona the whole summer for the second time.

Also think Kovacic could allow for more flexibility in terms of team setup with someone like Bruno - who could potentially play as a true 8 with Kovacic and Casemiro next to him. On paper a lot of very nice vertical rotations both carrying and passing the ball in a midfield like that, plus Antony might be able to stay a bit higher if it's a true 4-3-3 and that might suit him as well.

Have some doubts about Bruno myself, but yeah that could work. I would even be tempted to try Eriksen in a more advanced role (or as an 8) at times. Still, one thing is sure. That press resistant and ball carrying midfielder along with the striker should be our priority. Wouldn't be a small outlay considering positions of need though.
 
I'm usually pretty numb or don't really care about the money side of things (Utd or otherwise) but Chelsea's transfer activity has me shook :lol:

I let out a 'what?!' when I read the news on the BBC website.

In a sort of degenerate way, this is why we love the PL; it's just excess that we inject into our veins.
 
So chelsea are looking to sign one the best young midfielders in Europe for 120 million and at the same time trying to move on jorginho and gallagher for a coming 70-75 million to help cover the fee.

Why can't we have this type of ruthless ambition with bringing in rising stars and and selling off average players instead of giving players like mctominay, fred, bissaka, sancho and martial chance after chance which has failed to do us any favours
They won’t get anything for Jorginho who is out of contract in the Summer and Gallagher will be about £45m vs £115m total cost of Fernandez.

I don’t even think Enzo is that amazing either. Good player but he has a long way to go and doesn’t strike me as a player that will instantly transform a team.

Benfica are about to make a €100m profit in less than six months, though part of that will go to River Plate.
 
Glad it's over and knew Chelsea would pay up in the end,god knows where we look if scousers take Bellingham when De Jong commits to Barca
 
How many signings have been given more than 6 year deals. Everyone we signed last summer were on the usual 5 year deals, some 6. Koulibaly on 4 years I think.

That leaves Mudryk, Madueke, Gusto, Badiashile that have been signed for significant fees (though the latter two were quite modest fees considering) and potentially Enzo now. That’s 5 players. Hardly a crazy number of players. Your post made it seem like every fecker coming through the door under this ownership is on an 8 year deal.

You’re absolutely right, there’s not many of them who have come in on 8 year deals (assuming Enzo will get an 8.5 year deal too) but it does look a bit like the length of the contracts has been trending upwards as Boehly tries to sign more players with an ever decreasing amortisation/wage cap. But yeah, so far its mostly 7 year deals which is obviously less than 8, but I think the significance of my point still stands which is that unless the majority of your signings are successful then it has the potential to become death by a thousand cuts. That’s the reason I think UEFA banned it. Not because its a clever loophole around FFP amortisation rules, but because most clubs success rate on transfers is basically 50/50 (probably not even that good) and these elongated deals will become a trap that ruins more clubs than it helps.

Chelsea are in a league where the revenues are growing, so may well be fine over the longer term (helped, in my opinion, by the fact that UEFA have banned this and therefore stopped them adding more 7/8 year contracts in summer 2023). But I think UEFAs worry was Spanish and Italian clubs trying to follow this blueprint (*cough* Barca and Juve *cough*) and ending up in a far worse position.

Although it wasn’t really clear in my response the person I replied to was making a general point about the long contracts not being any worse than shorter ones at higher prices. I was really just trying to use the chelsea example to illustrate why it could be more harmful than it first appears.
 
What's 'The Shed End' then? Genuine question.

From what I have seen there a collection of older Chelsea forum posters. Chelsea have a lot of younger fans and these Internet forums are not their preferred social media outlet. The Shed End is a really dead medium compared to other forms of social media. I have a son that is 33 and one that is 18. Neither would be on a web page forum. In the same breath neither use Facebook or as they call it Fake Book. I’m 57, so this is what I am used to. I spent decades posting on a brewing forum and still use Talk Chelsea. The most connection I have with Chelsea fans is on twitter. Twitter is a weird medium, people like to point to the over the top tweets but there are a lot more just reasonable fans chatting with each other about the team. I am pretty sure I follow/follow back with half of Africa! A bunch of really nice people that love chatting about the team.
 
If he wants to throw away a year without CL football. Good luck to him.
 
Yeah, tailor made for him. Tailor made for a lot of players tbf, but especially for someone in the mould of Kovacic. Same goes for De Jong who would solve most of our problems or at least put as much, much closer to how ten Hag wants to play, but am really worried about going back and forth with Barcelona the whole summer for the second time.



Have some doubts about Bruno myself, but yeah that could work. I would even be tempted to try Eriksen in a more advanced role (or as an 8) at times. Still, one thing is sure. That press resistant and ball carrying midfielder along with the striker should be our priority. Wouldn't be a small outlay considering positions of need though.
The back and forth was with FDJ tbf.
 
Wont Chelsea need a new amount of defenders soon? They’ll be fecked when the FFP rules kicks in and they need to buy new signings to replace Thiago Silva, Azpilicueta, Koulibaly (31). Not sure Fofana and Cucurella will be a pair for the next many years.

Do they have any youngsters on loan who can take over?
 
Wont Chelsea need a new amount of defenders soon? They’ll be fecked when the FFP rules kicks in and they need to buy new signings to replace Thiago Silva, Azpilicueta, Koulibaly (31). Not sure Fofana and Cucurella will be a pair for the next many years.

Do they have any youngsters on loan who can take over?
Young defenders we have in our book-Chalobah,badiashile,fofana and on loan from us to Brighton Levi colwill. All are very young.

Badiashile looked promising but sample was too small but looked assured and looked multiple times better than koulibally.

Chalobah very capable and already experienced.

Fofana also looked promising before his injury but injury concerns still looming around his head.

Colwill looked top class at Brighton and he is just 19 yr old only.
 
How are the affording all this? Isn't FFP a thing anymore?
https://swissramble.substack.com/p/will-chelseas-transfer-spend-break

This covers Chelsea v FFP quite in detail but before Gusto and Enzo. They have found a loophole which enables them to spread their transfer fees over the period of the players contracts (For ex: 88 million for Mudryk over 8 years counts as 11 million spend in a year). However, if they sell someone for 40 million, they can book the entire 40 Mn profit immediately. This seems like quite an accounting manipulation which is perfectly legal. If they fail to qualify for next year's CL, Chelsea will be on thin ice FFP wise. Though, even if they fall foul of the rules, any form of major punishment seems unlikely as they may get away with a fine. Money always wins.
 
Sounds like they're just buying themselves time to sort a replacement and get the paperwork done.

I'd say it's done dealio.
 
Sounds like they're just buying themselves time to sort a replacement and get the paperwork done.

I'd say it's done dealio.

Reverse. I see it as they want to keep him and will happily let him go in the summer.

So unless Chelsea pay the release to which they can’t reject, he will stay.
 
Oh man, Kovačić would be ideal.

I'm sure he would be but he would have been our poty instead of Mount for 2 years in a row if not for injury. I would genuinely sell 95% of the squad before him. He's not amazing at either ends of the field but superb everywhere in between.
 
Good deal for Arsenal IMO. They absolutely need cover for Partey/Xhaka if they are going to continue this title charge. Sometimes, you have to accept your second or third choice target, but when that player is so experienced and a winner, then it's absolutely fine. There's also no reason why they can't go back in for Caicedo in the summer.

Would be interested to see Arsenal fan's view on this one though, as I get the feeling if it was United in for Caicedo and ending up with Jorginho there'd be some negativity.
 
Reverse. I see it as they want to keep him and will happily let him go in the summer.

So unless Chelsea pay the release to which they can’t reject, he will stay.
It must be close to done deal considering Chelsea are letting Jorginho go.
 
Because it’s logical?

They aren’t going to let a guy who’s a first team starter virtually every game to just go last day of the window if they don’t have the Enzo deal wrapped up. They aren’t bothered about whether he went free in the summer or not.
 
I'm usually pretty numb or don't really care about the money side of things (Utd or otherwise) but Chelsea's transfer activity has me shook :lol:

I let out a 'what?!' when I read the news on the BBC website.

In a sort of degenerate way, this is why we love the PL; it's just excess that we inject into our veins.
It's demoralised me a bit. What justification in the modern world is there to spend 700million on footballers for Chelsea fecking football club.
 
Jorginho, Gallagher, Chelsea will continue to make decent money off the back of their wantaways or players who're surplus to requirements.
 
Because it’s logical?

They aren’t going to let a guy who’s a first team starter virtually every game to just go last day of the window if they don’t have the Enzo deal wrapped up. They aren’t bothered about whether he went free in the summer or not.

They hardly use him. I don’t see how a want a way player means they are going to break the world record for a CM.

This deal is off as far as I’m concerned. It’s release clause or nothing. They are trying to negotiate a transfer fee.
 



Chelsea and Benfica are NOT close to get to an agreement, despite the 120M in 6 installments offer. Deal seemps complicated.
Englishmen trying to work on it, Enzo not pressing.
 
They hardly use him. I don’t see how a want a way player means they are going to break the world record for a CM.

This deal is off as far as I’m concerned. It’s release clause or nothing. They are trying to negotiate a transfer fee.
He’s played in 18 out of 20 games in the premier league. I wouldn’t say that’s “hardly using him”.

If the Enzo deal is off, then that’s good news but also strange and possibly foolish by Chelsea to let Jorginho go. Especially to a rival.
 
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