Enzo Fernández | signs for Chelsea

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If Utd can sign De Jong in the summer then I wouldn't be so worried about this.

But Enzo and Nkunku are two excellent signings for Chelsea - just hope they stick with their lame-duck manager for a while who won't get the best out of them.
 
I don't know, just the idea of forking out £100m+ on a midfield player just seems absurd, even if they turn out to be great.

Why is it absurd to pay top money for a midfielder though? Having a top class midfield is the heart and soul of any good team these days.

When the midfield is not up to the task it can very easily lead to a leaky defence even if the individuals in the back line are very good, and similarly it can mean the team struggle to take control of the game and create chances on the other end of the pitch. If a team has a great defence, a great offensive line but a mediocre midfield it is only really suited to defending deep and try to hit teams on the counter attack.

And btw that's not me saying I think it's great for us to spend £100M+ on Enzo Fernandez, just a general observation on how important it is to have great midfielders in the modern game. It's an absurd fee and I still have some reservations, mostly because I haven't watched Enzo enough to form a proper opinion about him, but I wholeheartedly dismiss the notion that the biggest fees should be reserved only for the best goalscoring players like you seemed to insinuate.
 
Is it? He's being overlooked by academy players (who are also superb).
Yes it is.
At this point I don't think we should be dropping a big fee on De Jong, past examples have shown we should only buy players that are in good form.

Excuses for why they are not in good form rarely ring true.
 
Yes it is.
At this point I don't think we should be dropping a big fee on De Jong, past examples have shown we should only buy players that are in good form.

Excuses for why they are not in good form rarely ring true.
As I said, Ten Hag knows where to play him and how to get the best out of him. A novice manager not knowing how to use him with an evident bias toward academy players doesn't really make FdJ a worrying target for me
 
Why is it absurd to pay top money for a midfielder though? Having a top class midfield is the heart and soul of any good team these days.

When the midfield is not up to the task it can very easily lead to a leaky defence even if the individuals in the back line are very good, and similarly it can mean the team struggle to take control of the game and create chances on the other end of the pitch. If a team has a great defence, a great offensive line but a mediocre midfield it is only really suited to defending deep and try to hit teams on the counter attack.

And btw that's not me saying I think it's great for us to spend £100M+ on Enzo Fernandez, just a general observation on how important it is to have great midfielders in the modern game. It's an absurd fee and I still have some reservations, mostly because I haven't watched Enzo enough to form a proper opinion about him, but I wholeheartedly dismiss the notion that the biggest fees should be reserved only for the best goalscoring players like you seemed to insinuate.
Attackers are the key difference makers in my opinion and while midfielders play a key role in that I don't see midfielders elevating their teams in the same way which attackers can do. I think it's why the big transfer fees are predominantly attacking players. I'd take mediocre midfield and great attack over a great midfield and mediocre attack.

I'm not dismissing paying top money on a midfielder but or any other position but for this kind of fee I'm expecting either a sure thing or a guy at the peak of his powers.
 
Don't these two things contradict eachother? I was under the impression that Enzo is a B2B midfielder who was shoehorned into a deeper role for Argentina due to lack of options. That would mean he would be the long term Kante replacement, not Jorginho who plays deeper.
You should watch the video posted on the previous page about enzo created by @raaes for his Pythagoras in Boots youtube channel.

Superb analysis, explains it really well. Enzo will go create and dictate play, therefore he needs a Kante type alongside him to be disciplined and plug the holes while enzo is off up further up the pitch being creative. He is definately not a kante replacement, more of a jorginho replacement.
 
Nice player but not at that price. Can see why Chelsea are spending heavily now though as they know, much like with Nkunku, if they don’t they’ll not have much chance of competing with other clubs in the summer.

Chelsea don’t really have a good history of developing young brought in talents (see the £130m dropped on Havertz and Pulisic for recent examples).

That said things may well change under Potter.

If they don’t they’ll be in trouble, if they do then could be looked at in years to come as good business.
 
Interested to see how he does. I've not paid close enough attention to him particularly at Benfica or with Argentina at the WC to know if he's all that good. From what I've heard and little I've seen he seems to be a good player but personally the fee seems crazy considering he was signed on the cheap only 6 months ago. I don't know, just the idea of forking out £100m+ on a midfield player just seems absurd, even if they turn out to be great.
Would you have said that about a 21 year old modric or kroos or xavi or iniesta?

Enzo's ceiling is unknown, but if he ends up with a career like the above mentioned names, he will be a steal. He is a rare central midfielder, who can play out of the back, carry the ball out and also contribute to the final third of play.

If he wasnt going to Chelsea and we failed for frenkie again this summer, i could see ETH going for ETH.
 
Attackers are the key difference makers in my opinion and while midfielders play a key role in that I don't see midfielders elevating their teams in the same way which attackers can do. I think it's why the big transfer fees are predominantly attacking players. I'd take mediocre midfield and great attack over a great midfield and mediocre attack.

Fair enough, then we just fundamentally disagree about what's most important in football.

It's true attackers are usually the final difference makers with the goals they score and while it's obvously a very important factor of the game, without a well functioning midfield even the top attackers often do absolutely feck all unless you're a peak-Messi who can basically manifest goals out of nothing all by himself. And a peak-Messi or similar would go for a hell of a lot more than 120M€ these days.

Without the likes of Modric, Kroos, Casemiro I don't see Real Madrid winning as many UCLs as they have in the last decade. Same for Chelsea, without Kante and Jorginho at the top of their game we wouldn't have won the damn thing in 2021. For peak-Barca it was the likes of Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets who made the team tick and were just about as crucial to their success as Messi was. I could go on but I'm sure you get the point.

Whether Enzo becomes a difference maker like that in the long run is unknown but I absolutely think it's vital to invest heavily in midfield to get the best possible output from the attacking players.
 
Chelsea have a ridiculously young squad for the future in key positions.

For example the legs are quite literally falling off at Liverpool. While Chelsea have bought insane talents, I think Chelsea are nailed on a top 4 side for the next decade with some title challenges in there now.

Their current league standing isnt a reflection on the quality of the squad.

Very jealous if they get Enzo
 
His age is a big factor in the price as well. Chelsea will be thinking they get can at least 2 contracts out of the kid. Very good player bit obviously not worth that kinda money. Kinda like our Antony buy, circumstances presented themselves and its worth paying extra to strengthen an important position.
 
Chelsea have a ridiculously young squad for the future in key positions.

For example the legs are quite literally falling off at Liverpool. While Chelsea have bought insane talents, I think Chelsea are nailed on a top 4 side for the next decade with some title challenges in there now.

Their current league standing isnt a reflection on the quality of the squad.

Very jealous if they get Enzo

Bold claim given their current state. Their key CBs and midfielders are aging and declining, they don't have a single truly great attacker, and very few of their big money signings have worked out recently.
 
Would you have said that about a 21 year old modric or kroos or xavi or iniesta?

Enzo's ceiling is unknown, but if he ends up with a career like the above mentioned names, he will be a steal. He is a rare central midfielder, who can play out of the back, carry the ball out and also contribute to the final third of play.

If he wasnt going to Chelsea and we failed for frenkie again this summer, i could see ETH going for ETH.
Knowing what they went on to achieve and became it's a no brainer but without hindsight, just looking at them as 21 year old players, it would probably just be a crazy decision that worked out for the better.
Fair enough, then we just fundamentally disagree about what's most important in football.

It's true attackers are usually the final difference makers with the goals they score and while it's obvously a very important factor of the game, without a well functioning midfield even the top attackers often do absolutely feck all unless you're a peak-Messi who can basically manifest goals out of nothing all by himself. And a peak-Messi or similar would go for a hell of a lot more than 120M€ these days.

Without the likes of Modric, Kroos, Casemiro I don't see Real Madrid winning as many UCLs as they have in the last decade. Same for Chelsea, without Kante and Jorginho at the top of their game we wouldn't have won the damn thing in 2021. For peak-Barca it was the likes of Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets who made the team tick and were just about as crucial to their success as Messi was. I could go on but I'm sure you get the point.

Whether Enzo becomes a difference maker like that in the long run is unknown but I absolutely think it's vital to invest heavily in midfield to get the best possible output from the attacking players.
I guess I generally don't disagree with you in terms of the importance of midfielders to a team more so the value of them from a purely financial perspective. £100m is the very top of the midfield market whereas I think most would probably agree £100m is a premium price for a forward but it's not the absolute top bracket.
 
Chelsea have a ridiculously young squad for the future in key positions.

For example the legs are quite literally falling off at Liverpool. While Chelsea have bought insane talents, I think Chelsea are nailed on a top 4 side for the next decade with some title challenges in there now.

Their current league standing isnt a reflection on the quality of the squad.

Very jealous if they get Enzo
They have a ton of older guys and some younger guys who have very little experience or are decent but not special.

Enzo and Reece James are (when Enzo joins) their 2 stars to build around though, and yeah very jealous of those 2, but there's many more positions to nail down. Their 100 CB signings are all expensive punts, no idea how they'll pan out. Fofana has sustained a lot of big injuries for his age. Cucurella and Chilwell are meh. Chalobah is meh. Gallagher is mediocre and not a CL caliber player.

They've basically got question marks in every position, but between Mount/Kovačić/Enzo would have a quality midfield trio and Reece James at right back when he's back fit.

The attack is the most expensive and most difficult to sort out. And they've got 0/3 there. Also questionable goalkeepers. Questionable CB's. Average left backs but fine enough.
 
The question is how Benfica, Ajax and Dortmund are able to keep signing cheap players and sell at very high prices while also keeping their club successful. It's incredible and even Real Madrid is following the model with young signing from Brazil/South America.
 
The question is how Benfica, Ajax and Dortmund are able to keep signing cheap players and sell at very high prices while also keeping their club successful. It's incredible and even Real Madrid is following the model with young signing from Brazil/South America.
Because they can take time to play and develop the players, knowing 1 big move is only 1 step away.
 
14 games for Benfica and a handful of World Cup starts?! This fee is utterly ridiculous. Madness I tell thee, madness.
 
Chelsea have a ridiculously young squad for the future in key positions.

For example the legs are quite literally falling off at Liverpool. While Chelsea have bought insane talents, I think Chelsea are nailed on a top 4 side for the next decade with some title challenges in there now.

Their current league standing isnt a reflection on the quality of the squad.

Very jealous if they get Enzo
Chelsea haven't been a guaranteed top four side in over a decade, let alone will be for another decade. A few good young players won't make them so.
 
Chelsea have a ridiculously young squad for the future in key positions.

For example the legs are quite literally falling off at Liverpool. While Chelsea have bought insane talents, I think Chelsea are nailed on a top 4 side for the next decade with some title challenges in there now.

Their current league standing isnt a reflection on the quality of the squad.

Very jealous if they get Enzo
This post just reminds me of Arsenal under Wenger for his last decade or so. Put out a load of 16 year olds who destroy Burton Albion in the cup and suddenly they’re Champions League winners elect.

A lot goes into making it. Most of these top talents Chelsea have won’t make it.
 
Would you have said that about a 21 year old modric or kroos or xavi or iniesta?

Enzo's ceiling is unknown, but if he ends up with a career like the above mentioned names, he will be a steal. He is a rare central midfielder, who can play out of the back, carry the ball out and also contribute to the final third of play.

If he wasnt going to Chelsea and we failed for frenkie again this summer, i could see ETH going for ETH.

He'll obviously be worth every penny if he lands in that category of player.

The odds of that happening are really low though. That isn't a knock on Enzo, just the reality that its almost impossible to project any 21-year-old with limited experience at top level to become one of the best players ever at his position.

Enzo looks like a big talent but not any bigger than midfielders like FDJ, Rodri, Tchouameni, Pogba, etc looked in their early 20s before their big moves, just to name a few big name midfield transfers of recent years. None of those guys went to Modric/Kroos/Xavi/Iniesta level.
 
He'll obviously be worth every penny if he lands in that category of player.

The odds of that happening are really low though. That isn't a knock on Enzo, just the reality that its almost impossible to project any 21-year-old with limited experience at top level to become one of the best players ever at his position.

Enzo looks like a big talent but not any bigger than midfielders like FDJ, Rodri, Tchouameni, Pogba, etc looked in their early 20s before their big moves, just to name a few big name midfield transfers of recent years. None of those guys went to Modric/Kroos/Xavi/Iniesta level.
Very important to point out that at 21 none of those players looked like they’d get to the level they did too. No development like this is linear, many of the players you named there looked significantly better at 21 than these legitimate greats did.

People are far too quick to project a future that is just unknowable, literally anything could get in the way. At Manchester United we know this just about as well as anyone given what happened 12 months ago.
 
Think he's a great player but for us right now if its possible I'd rather FDJ and McAllister/Caicedo. Should be possible for similar money as Enzo, if Barca's reported money problems are true. I'm sure he'll be great for Chelsea but that's the price of 2 very good midfielders if you play your cards right. We've already got 1 world class one in Casa and a very good one in Eriksen. Add the mentioned 2 to that and Hannibal back from loan then there's 5 very good options in the middle. Couldn't justify the cost of Enzo over that, especially when what we are missing is more a FDJ figure than him right now.
 
They have a ton of older guys and some younger guys who have very little experience or are decent but not special.

Enzo and Reece James are (when Enzo joins) their 2 stars to build around though, and yeah very jealous of those 2, but there's many more positions to nail down. Their 100 CB signings are all expensive punts, no idea how they'll pan out. Fofana has sustained a lot of big injuries for his age. Cucurella and Chilwell are meh. Chalobah is meh. Gallagher is mediocre and not a CL caliber player.

They've basically got question marks in every position, but between Mount/Kovačić/Enzo would have a quality midfield trio and Reece James at right back when he's back fit.

The attack is the most expensive and most difficult to sort out. And they've got 0/3 there. Also questionable goalkeepers. Questionable CB's. Average left backs but fine enough.

Yeah if Enzo ends up joining the midfield is definitely going to be our strongest area and something to build the squad and playing style around.

At the moment it's looking like Kante is willing to take a wage cut to stay and could be extended too so having midfield options from Enzo/Mount/Kovacic/Kante would be mint. While Kante is not the player he once was and he's very prone to injury these days, he could still be a very valuable asset when fit and having more starter quality options in midfield would mean we can manage his minutes and training loads better in hopes of prolonging his top level career a little further.

In midfield on top of the four names mentioned above we'd also have some lads from the group RLC, Gallagher, Chukwuemeka as rotational options / backups who may not be top top quality but still more than enough as squad fillers to play on occasion. There's also Cesare Casadei and the new Brazilian lad Andrey Santos who's about to join but I'm not sure they're going to be around the first team squad anytime in the immediate future and think they'll be heading out on loan to get some experience first before seeing whether they're good enough or not.

Your assessment of the squad is otherwise quite good but I really think Chilwell is better than 'meh'. When fit he's a really good player but the only problem is he's getting all these injuries and that's why we got Cucurella. Cucu's start at the club has been a bit rocky but there's a good player in there as well and I'd wait till I see him in an otherwise better functioning team before making my full judgement on him. Left-back is the least of our issues IMO.

CBs are a bit of a question mark and a lot relies on the shoulders of Fofana who's had a terrible time with injuries so it remains to be seen how he gets on and whether these injury problems will be a recurring thing or just rotten luck for now. Chalobah may not be long-term starter quality but definitely good enough to be in the squad. Until now Koulibaly has been a horror show and the incoming Badiashile is an unknown variable who may or may not work out in our favour. From what I've read he has a bit of Rüdiger -type qualities in him but obviously is still young and raw.

We definitely need to replace Azpilicueta with a player on fresher legs, he's just not good enough anymore and with James' injury record we are crying out for a better backup option at RB. This one's a bit tricky because no top class player will want to join when they know James will always be the first choice whenever he's fit so it's a problem the club need to solve.

The front line is a big problem. If it were possible I'd get rid of all Auba, Havertz, Pulisic and Ziyech in the summer and start off with a clean slate, but that's probably not realistic to do in one go. In any case I'd get rid of eveyone we can find suitable buyers for. Sterling is clearly not a difference maker by himself but if the team around him play to his strengths he can still come good. Nkunku is joining from Leipzig to hopefully provide some goals, but we need more than just him if we're going to ditch the flops. Be interesting to see whether Potter fancies Hudson-Odoi. In the youngster department we have the new striker David Datro Fofana and the winger Omari Hutchinson, both of whom I have high hopes for but probably best not to expect immediate fireworks. I'd definitely look to go for a player like Chiesa, Coman or someone along those lines in the summer if we can shift off some of the previous duds.

Chilwell/Cucurella, Fofana, James, Enzo, Kante, Kovacic, Mount, Sterling, Nkunku would in my opinion make up for a very solid squad core for the next years to come and the age structure for that group players is mostly really good. Just need to sort out a couple of problematic positions mentioned above, pray the likes of Chilwell, Fofana and James can stay fit and I honestly believe the team can be good enough to challenge for the biggest trophies within a couple of years. If Potter proves not good enough to lead this team, the club just need to make sure the next managerial candidate plays the kind of football suited to our player core to get the best out of them without having to do another overhaul so soon.
 
Hey fair enough I can see where I'm outnumbered and I am happy to concede the position (though I'd be very curious to see whether this was the consensus 3 years ago).

But let's put it this way - if you had no other players in your team and had to pick one of the three to build your team around, I just don't understand how anyone doesn't pick peak Fabregas. He's literally got the second most assists in the history of the PL whilst playing his entire career as a central midfielder. He's more or less Kevin de Bruyne before Kevin de Bruyne and both are better than Casemiro (who isn't a better defensive midfielder than Kante or Kimmich) and Varane (who was overshadowed by Sergio Ramos for all of those CL titles and who isn't actually better than the likes of VVD, Thiago Silva, and Chiellini).

Peak fabregas for me was arsenal and he chose a bad move. We really really needed such a player and I think in our team at that team (if he had come) you’d have a 50/50 split on what United fans would see as outlandish viewpoint. I think he was capable of being a worldie which he showed as a young player without doubt. He could have put up KDB numbers assist wise.
 
Yeah if Enzo ends up joining the midfield is definitely going to be our strongest area and something to build the squad and playing style around.

At the moment it's looking like Kante is willing to take a wage cut to stay and could be extended too so having midfield options from Enzo/Mount/Kovacic/Kante would be mint. While Kante is not the player he once was and he's very prone to injury these days, he could still be a very valuable asset when fit and having more starter quality options in midfield would mean we can manage his minutes and training loads better in hopes of prolonging his top level career a little further.

In midfield on top of the four names mentioned above we'd also have some lads from the group RLC, Gallagher, Chukwuemeka as rotational options / backups who may not be top top quality but still more than enough as squad fillers to play on occasion. There's also Cesare Casadei and the new Brazilian lad Andrey Santos who's about to join but I'm not sure they're going to be around the first team squad anytime in the immediate future and think they'll be heading out on loan to get some experience first before seeing whether they're good enough or not.

Your assessment of the squad is otherwise quite good but I really think Chilwell is better than 'meh'. When fit he's a really good player but the only problem is he's getting all these injuries and that's why we got Cucurella. Cucu's start at the club has been a bit rocky but there's a good player in there as well and I'd wait till I see him in an otherwise better functioning team before making my full judgement on him. Left-back is the least of our issues IMO.

CBs are a bit of a question mark and a lot relies on the shoulders of Fofana who's had a terrible time with injuries so it remains to be seen how he gets on and whether these injury problems will be a recurring thing or just rotten luck for now. Chalobah may not be long-term starter quality but definitely good enough to be in the squad. Until now Koulibaly has been a horror show and the incoming Badiashile is an unknown variable who may or may not work out in our favour. From what I've read he has a bit of Rüdiger -type qualities in him but obviously is still young and raw.

We definitely need to replace Azpilicueta with a player on fresher legs, he's just not good enough anymore and with James' injury record we are crying out for a better backup option at RB. This one's a bit tricky because no top class player will want to join when they know James will always be the first choice whenever he's fit so it's a problem the club need to solve.

The front line is a big problem. If it were possible I'd get rid of all Auba, Havertz, Pulisic and Ziyech in the summer and start off with a clean slate, but that's probably not realistic to do in one go. In any case I'd get rid of eveyone we can find suitable buyers for. Sterling is clearly not a difference maker by himself but if the team around him play to his strengths he can still come good. Nkunku is joining from Leipzig to hopefully provide some goals, but we need more than just him if we're going to ditch the flops. Be interesting to see whether Potter fancies Hudson-Odoi. In the youngster department we have the new striker David Datro Fofana and the winger Omari Hutchinson, both of whom I have high hopes for but probably best not to expect immediate fireworks. I'd definitely look to go for a player like Chiesa, Coman or someone along those lines in the summer if we can shift off some of the previous duds.

Chilwell/Cucurella, Fofana, James, Enzo, Kante, Kovacic, Mount, Sterling, Nkunku would in my opinion make up for a very solid squad core for the next years to come and the age structure for that group players is mostly really good. Just need to sort out a couple of problematic positions mentioned above, pray the likes of Chilwell, Fofana and James can stay fit and I honestly believe the team can be good enough to challenge for the biggest trophies within a couple of years. If Potter proves not good enough to lead this team, the club just need to make sure the next managerial candidate plays the kind of football suited to our player core to get the best out of them without having to do another overhaul so soon.
Keep forgetting about Nkunku. Mad spending :lol:
But I think he'll be used as a left wide forward in the Prem ultimately, and Sterling will be pushed into just part of the rotation which he is fine for.

Kepa
Reece ?? ?? Chilwell
Kovačić Enzo Mount
?? ?? Nkunku​

Is how I'd see it. No idea how CB pans out, but you have a lot of players there. Chilwell is decent when fit I agree but has a horrid injury record, but agree LB not really an issue, but also not particularly a big strength. Goalkeeper between Kepa/Mendy, I'd bet you look to strengthen. CHO is good but never given a chance it feels like. Chelsea should have just kept him and Abraham and they could make a solid front 3, but maybe not elite level which is needed.
 
Keep forgetting about Nkunku. Mad spending :lol:
But I think he'll be used as a left wide forward in the Prem ultimately, and Sterling will be pushed into just part of the rotation which he is fine for.

Kepa
Reece ?? ?? Chilwell
Kovačić Enzo Mount
?? ?? Nkunku​

Is how I'd see it. No idea how CB pans out, but you have a lot of players there. Chilwell is decent when fit I agree but has a horrid injury record, but agree LB not really an issue, but also not particularly a big strength. Goalkeeper between Kepa/Mendy, I'd bet you look to strengthen. CHO is good but never given a chance it feels like. Chelsea should have just kept him and Abraham and they could make a solid front 3, but maybe not elite level which is needed.

Kepa has actually been decent since Potter came in and reinstated him as the number one keeper. With plenty of other positions still needed to sort out I doubt we'll do anything regarding the GKs anytime soon, at least not in the coming summer transfer window.

Goalie situation could be a topic of discussion for the summer of 2024 but not necessarily an immediate concern unless something dramatic happens. There's also the 18yo American goalie Gabriel Slonina who was signed last summer on a 6 year deal so ideally we'd look to continue with the current bunch for now and send Slonina out on loan to gain some experience and try to get an idea whether he's potentially got what it takes to make the position his own in the future.
 
Wish we could have got involved,however with our financial situation was never gonna happen. Maybe we will get lucky and scousers don't qualify for Champions League and Bellingham comes here instead. May as well close this thread now seeing as it's good as over.
 
Wish we could have got involved,however with our financial situation was never gonna happen. Maybe we will get lucky and scousers don't qualify for Champions League and Bellingham comes here instead. May as well close this thread now seeing as it's good as over.

No sensible club makes this signing. If our new owners operate in this manner, it's not something to be celebrated.
 
Would you have said that about a 21 year old modric or kroos or xavi or iniesta?

Enzo's ceiling is unknown, but if he ends up with a career like the above mentioned names, he will be a steal. He is a rare central midfielder, who can play out of the back, carry the ball out and also contribute to the final third of play.

If he wasnt going to Chelsea and we failed for frenkie again this summer, i could see ETH going for ETH.

If this kid who's played a handful of games in Europe ends up becoming a generational, world class talent then it was a worthwhile gamble. Oh thank god, I was worried it was too much of a risk.
 
Fernandez, not sure why you're talking about Bellingham.
They're talking about Bellingham because he's just as talented and the next big midfield superstar who is just as good as, if not better than Enzo?
 
I meant it's the Fernandez thread obviously, not rocket science. I know this thread is more about Fabregas now though.
I mean it was simply a turn of phrase in a conversation, give @croadyman a break.

It's like saying

"Oh we didn't get Enzo, hopefully we can get Bellingham"

Not that big of a deal really.

Don't think that this: (below) was necessary in all honesty, they were simply making conversation.

Fernandez, not sure why you're talking about Bellingham.
 
Very important to point out that at 21 none of those players looked like they’d get to the level they did too. No development like this is linear, many of the players you named there looked significantly better at 21 than these legitimate greats did.

People are far too quick to project a future that is just unknowable, literally anything could get in the way. At Manchester United we know this just about as well as anyone given what happened 12 months ago.

Yup, fantastic point.

I think this is especially true in midfield where true greatness usually involves an incredible understanding of the game, its rhythms and movements and tactics, that the rare player acquires over time but the vast majority of even very highly rated young players never come close to having. Its basically impossible to predict what 21-year-old is going to eventually have that kind of football brain.
 
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