England V India

England don't really care about this series. This year is all about trying to peak for the Ashes next winter.

The Indians, in contrast, are desperate to prove they're not rubbish.
 
If you're going to make your excuses in advance, we might as well not play.

Its like Liverpool when they're going to play us at OT - "Its a cup final for you. We're more focussed on 3rd place/Europe/FA Cup/Mickey Mouse cup/Charity Shield (delete as applicable).
 
I'm not convinced we'll lose. But our form dipped as the Pakistan tour went on - I've no idea what sort of form our batsman are going to produce. And I doubt the pitches will do us any favours.
 
Slabber said:
I'm not convinced we'll lose. But our form dipped as the Pakistan tour went on - I've no idea what sort of form our batsman are going to produce. And I doubt the pitches will do us any favours.
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We've got a much better side than India. And they know it. . . which is why they'll creating cheating spinning pitches that'll turn first ball.

Just not cricket that.
 
vijay said:
If we ignore the media hype, England and West Indies are at the same level IMO- predominantly average and playing a good series occasionally.
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Media hype? England beat the WI 3-0 away and 4-0 at home. We also beat SA away and Australia at home.

You are a fecking moron.
 
This is just like the Football forum before a Liverpool match. Very enjoyable. You've already said you'll be focussing on other things, that you have a better team and that the pitch won't suit you style of play. Perhaps you could also mention that the Umpires will be biased against you. That'll complete the list.

It would help if your batsmen learnt how to play spin. May also be useful against Warne in Sydney.
 
Red-Indian said:
This is just like the Football forum before a Liverpool match.
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Not really. United v Liverpool is both sides biggest fixture. India v England is neither side's biggest fixture.
 
Spoony said:
They'll never beat anyone away.
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I think this summer when we travel to the Caribbean, its a great chance for us to do just that.

England v India should be a very good series.. both teams losing to Pakistan and looking to gain some form.
 
vijay said:
Ashes win was a fluke.

Like England... Windies can also win a test match series occasionally.
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Occasionally? We went two years unbeaten, including eight straight wins. You don't know anything about cricket. Why do you bother?
 
Slabber said:
Occasionally? We went two years unbeaten, including eight straight wins. You don't know anything about cricket. Why do you bother?
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He's trying to wind you up.

You should know that.
 
Spoony said:
He's trying to wind you up.

You should know that.
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I do know that. That's why I've requested he be banned from the cricket pavillion.
 
Off topic.

A choice, you have to pick one. . .

Jessica Biel or Scarlett Johansson?
 
Slabber said:
Not really. United v Liverpool is both sides biggest fixture. India v England is neither side's biggest fixture.
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Its not an exact parallel i'll admit. But there are similarilties. Just like England they won something big, spent several months convincing themselves they were the world's best team before they came to United and got beaten. They'd started the excuses early as well.

If I wanted to take the metaphor further, Ganguly the cock will probably score a triple century in the third test to snatch a win after you've dominated the whole series. It wont happen though because you won't dominate the series.
 
Red-Indian said:
Its not an exact parallel i'll admit. But there are similarilties. Just like England they won something big, spent several months convincing themselves they were the world's best team before they came to United and got beaten. They'd started the excuses early as well.

If I wanted to take the metaphor further, Ganguly the cock will probably score a triple century in the third test to snatch a win after you've dominated the whole series. It wont happen though because you won't dominate the series.
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I really do think you're over-estimating the level of interest in this series in England, but it doesn't matter.

England, Pakistan, South Africa and India are all vying for World No.2 spot and the gap with Australia has closed. On their day, anyone can beat anyone else, and you'd expect all of those sides to win their home series, except against the Aussies. The Indians are probably at the bottom of that group because they are the least likely to do anything away from home.
 
England can not claim to be the best team in the world or even No.2 unless they beat India in India. Aussies accepted that much themselves, infact they even said winning here meant more to them than Ashes.

English never care about the series in India because they know they have no chance of winning it.
 
Slabber said:
I really do think you're over-estimating the level of interest in this series in England, but it doesn't matter.

England, Pakistan, South Africa and India are all vying for World No.2 spot and the gap with Australia has closed. On their day, anyone can beat anyone else, and you'd expect all of those sides to win their home series, except against the Aussies. The Indians are probably at the bottom of that group because they are the least likely to do anything away from home.
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You're right ofcourse. I was just trying to be funny and not doing a very good job at it. You've done a pretty good appraisal of India's position. England would be shoo-in for the second spot if they could only play some spin and had a decent spinner.

And I do know the interest in this series in England not a hundredth of what it is in India. We've only got one game we play really and every series is fecking dramatic life or death.
 
crappycraperson said:
England can not claim to be the best team in the world or even No.2 unless they beat India in India. Aussies accepted that much themselves, infact they even said winning here meant more to them than Ashes.

English never care about the series in India because they know they have no chance of winning it.
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You're embarrassing yourself with that sort of post.
 
Slabber said:
You're embarrassing yourself with that sort of post.
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Which part?

Aussie DID say they value winning here more, the last barrier talk and all that.
England have to prove themselves in subcontinent just like India has to on bouncy wickets.
You yourself said England don't care about the series.
England don't have a chance of winning it.

All true.
 
crappycraperson said:
Which part?

Aussie DID say they value winning here more, the last barrier talk and all that.
England have to prove themselves in subcontinent just like India has to on bouncy wickets.
You yourself said England don't care about the series.
England don't have a chance of winning it.

All true.
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a) The Aussies said that before they lost the Ashes and were being cocky. If you think beating England isn't their number priority, you're wrong.

b) Of course the subcontinent presents different challenges. But there's no reason why to be best in the world, or second best in the world, you need to win in India. If Australia beat everyone away except India, they'll still be the best team in the world. Unless India, or someone, is beating everyone away. Your point is a bit of a nonsense.

c) Of course England will be trying in the series, but it isn't top priority, just as is it isn't India's top priority. But it is a more important series for India because a) you're at home; and b) you've just lost to your arch rivals.
 
Slabber said:
a) The Aussies said that before they lost the Ashes and were being cocky. If you think beating England isn't their number priority, you're wrong.

b) Of course the subcontinent presents different challenges. But there's no reason why to be best in the world, or second best in the world, you need to win in India. If Australia beat everyone away except India, they'll still be the best team in the world. Unless India, or someone, is beating everyone away. Your point is a bit of a nonsense.

c) Of course England will be trying in the series, but it isn't top priority, just as is it isn't India's top priority. But it is a more important series for India because a) you're at home; and b) you've just lost to your arch rivals.
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The reason why aussies themselves build it up so much was because they had bot won in India since 1967(?), while they have been walking over England for quite some time. So it was higher on the priority list at that point of time but now having lost the ashes, England is on top of their list for sure.

May be not just India specifically but you will have to prove yourself by winning a series in either of Pak, Sri Lanka or India.

If England were in top form, fans and management would have been upbeat about the tour, looking forward to a good opportunity of winning a test series in India after quite some time. Things look gloomy as it stands even though we are not in good form ourselves, hence people playing it down. Never claimed that it was more important that retaining the ashes for you lot.
 
Slabber said:
England, Pakistan, South Africa and India are all vying for World No.2 spot and the gap with Australia has closed. On their day, anyone can beat anyone else, and you'd expect all of those sides to win their home series, except against the Aussies. The Indians are probably at the bottom of that group because they are the least likely to do anything away from home.
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Thought you were being unbiased for a second.. didnt quite happen.

Pakistan are obviously the form team.. but a few months back it was England, a year or so back it was India. All three teams have shown signs of being able to challenge Australia, but none has been able to be consistant at it. Next few months should be interesting.. but i dont see how Pakistan have been performing better away from home than us in the last 3 or 4 years.
 
crappycraperson said:
The reason why aussies themselves build it up so much was because they had bot won in India since 1967(?), while they have been walking over England for quite some time. So it was higher on the priority list at that point of time but now having lost the ashes, England is on top of their list for sure.

May be not just India specifically but you will have to prove yourself by winning a series in either of Pak, Sri Lanka or India.

If England were in top form, fans and management would have been upbeat about the tour, looking forward to a good opportunity of winning a test series in India after quite some time. Things look gloomy as it stands even though we are not in good form ourselves, hence people playing it down. Never claimed that it was more important that retaining the ashes for you lot.
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If everyone won all their home tests, except, eg, the West Indies who lost at home to England, then England would be the best side in the world since they'd be the only team who could win an away game.

The management or the media aren't playing the series down. It's only here on the Caf because we reckon (I think I can speak for us all), that the players may be a bit jaded, and the pitches are likely to offer little for our bowlers. To be frank, I don't think England should be playing another series before the summer season. They need an extended break.

That said, I'm looking forward to it, unless the pitches ruin it.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Thought you were being unbiased for a second.. didnt quite happen.

Pakistan are obviously the form team.. but a few months back it was England, a year or so back it was India. All three teams have shown signs of being able to challenge Australia, but none has been able to be consistant at it. Next few months should be interesting.. but i dont see how Pakistan have been performing better away from home than us in the last 3 or 4 years.
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I was being "unbiased". India are the bottom of that four because they are the least likely to win away from home. Your away record is appalling. Pakistan have just won two home series. But England beat the world's best, and won away in South Africa. And so the Pakistanis will need to beat England in the summer to be able to say they are number 2. If not, they'll have to beat one of the others away. It's not fecking rocket science.
 
Slabber said:
I was being "unbiased". India are the bottom of that four because they are the least likely to win away from home. Your away record is appalling. Pakistan have just won two home series. But England beat the world's best, and won away in South Africa. And so the Pakistanis will need to beat England in the summer to be able to say they are number 2. If not, they'll have to beat one of the others away. It's not fecking rocket science.
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What has Pakistan done away from home in the last 3 years?(i havent really followed Pak cricket closely)
They got thrashed in Australia, whereas we went to Australia and drew 1-1 and almost beat them, which no team has come close to doing, not even England. We went to England and again got a draw and beat them here in India.. whereas Pakistan got beaten once at home against England and recently got a win. Then we also went to Pakistan and beat them.. which they havent done to do in recent times.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
What has Pakistan done away from home in the last 3 years?(i havent really followed Pak cricket closely)
They got thrashed in Australia, whereas we went to Australia and drew 1-1 and almost beat them, which no team has come close to doing, not even England. We went to England and again got a draw and beat them here in India.. whereas Pakistan got beaten once at home against England and recently got a win. Then we also went to Pakistan and beat them.. which they havent done to do in recent times.
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It's all in there:

http://www.cricketratings.com/

Currently:

Australia 129
England 113
India 111
Pakistan 108

Apart from when you won in Pakistan, when was the last time you beat anyone away?
 
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