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Raoul said:
We're not talking about VDS here. But since you brought it up, he was already a successful keeper at a top club before Fulham.
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And Martinez won the world cup being easily the best goalkeeper in the world cup, including making the best high-impact save of all time.

VDS was not good at Juve and they upgraded over him. He was successful at Ajax like 10 years earlier. He played what, 4 seasons for Fulham
 
Raoul said:
Costa would seem to be the right guy at this stage. A decade younger and much better long term potential.
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That's the sort of standard we need to be going for. His release clause is £65m. Still, if they decide he's the man for the job for the next 10+ years it's a sound longterm investment.
 
Raoul said:
Wouldn't be anywhere near an upgrade to Dave.
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Sure he would.

I do agree, not in the goalkeeping department.
David is a better goalkeeper.

But everything else, the mentality, the kicks, the shithousing, overall his ability to keep things cool when they need to be cool and get shit started when shit needs to get going....one of the best in the world.

We need that.
We need that self belief, that natural born world cup winner shit.
 
Revan said:
And Martinez won the world cup being easily the best goalkeeper in the world cup, including making the best high-impact save of all time.

VDS was not good at Juve and they upgraded over him. He was successful at Ajax like 10 years earlier. He played what, 4 seasons for Fulham
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If Martinez is as good as you claim, then why didn't Arsenal fight to keep him ?
 
DickDastardly said:
Sure he would.

I do agree, not in the goalkeeping department.
David is a better goalkeeper.

But everything else, the mentality, the kicks, the shithousing, overall his ability to keep things cool when they need to be cool and get shit started when shit needs to get going....one of the best in the world.

We need that.
We need that self belief, that natural born world cup winner shit.
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Sure, and De Gea is clearly lacking in some of these departments. That's why we need to widen the aperture a bit beyond the World Cup guy at Villa.
 
DickDastardly said:
He's still the World Cup winners goalkeeper.

While Dave hasn't been called for Spain in a couple of years now.

Not a good analogy.
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He had a good WC, but that's not a good enough sample size to assess his qualities compared with this league performances.
 
Raoul said:
Sure, and De Gea is clearly lacking in some of these departments. That's why we need to widen the aperture a bit beyond the World Cup guy at Villa.
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Don't get the hate with Villa.

Yet none of that shit being thrown at Raya who plays for Brentford.


Some people even going for fecking relegation GKs from Leeds or Everton as their wanted targets.
 
DickDastardly said:
Sure he would.

I do agree, not in the goalkeeping department.
David is a better goalkeeper.

But everything else, the mentality, the kicks, the shithousing, overall his ability to keep things cool when they need to be cool and get shit started when shit needs to get going....one of the best in the world.

We need that.
We need that self belief, that natural born world cup winner shit.
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Yes. Also Argentina wouldn't have won that World Cup with this "better Gk" Costa in goal.
 
TheGame said:
Yeah it’s a team effort but ultimately the GK defends the goal and getting 16 clean sheets in the season is impressive. Especially as we have been up and down with our defence and on the end of some big defeats.
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Yeah I am one of DDG's biggest critics but deserves respect for notching 17 clean sheets
 
News came out today as Martinez's agent said in an interview that he had everything ready with Manchester United, but Eric Ten Hag turned it down becase he wanted Onana instead. He said that the staff wanted Emi and were convinced he was the ideal option, but ETH wanted to work with Onana.
 
Nicoteiro said:
News came out today as Martinez's agent said in an interview that he had everything ready with Manchester United, but Eric Ten Hag turned it down becase he wanted Onana instead. He said that the staff wanted Emi and were convinced he was the ideal option, but ETH wanted to work with Onana.
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Aston Villa said Emi wasnt for sale unless someone made a huge offer.

Onana was a better option given the reasonable price tag.
 
Would have been a good move, I could see him being a success at the club.

Irrespective Onana somewhat redeemed himself throughout the season after a poor start. This upcoming campaign will define him, he has to nullify his habits on making the odd mistake.
 
Emi Martinez.
Lisandro Martinez
Manuel Ugarte
Bruno Fernandes

Imagine the piss being boiled in that team?
 
As a shot stopper, Martinez is clearly superior to Onana, but here we are and we must live with decision that was made last summer for at least another season.
 
lex talionis said:
As a shot stopper, Martinez is clearly superior to Onana, but here we are and we must live with decision that was made last summer for at least another season.
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So was De Gea though, might as well have just kept big Dave if we were only interested in shot stopping.
 
lex talionis said:
As a shot stopper, Martinez is clearly superior to Onana, but here we are and we must live with decision that was made last summer for at least another season.
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Finances would've been a contributing factor, unfortunately.
 
Would have loved him at the club because he is a complete ****head goal keeper.

Would make our defense extra solid.

Onana's ball playing is overrated.

After the Euros though the Georgian and Portuguese young goalkeepers look good for us to target if we send Onana off in a couple of years time.
 
He may be a good keeper, though not sure if he’s as good as the money required to sign him would warrant. But one thing I know for sure, I am not a fan of his mannerism/antics. Such a prick.
 
lex talionis said:
As a shot stopper, Martinez is clearly superior to Onana, but here we are and we must live with decision that was made last summer for at least another season.
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We went for Onana because Erik wanted him and because Aston Villa made it clear that Martinez wasnt for sale unless we stumped up a huge amount of money.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
We went for Onana because Erik wanted him and because Aston Villa made it clear that Martinez wasnt for sale unless we stumped up a huge amount of money.
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Without a doubt. Erik got the players he desperately wanted -- Antony, Mount and Onana. Of the three, Onana has become an indispensable player for us but if his second season is as poor as his first season, we'll need to find another keeper for the 25/26 season.
 
Would have loved to have him as our keeper, big personality. Commands his box.

Much better than Onana for me.
 
Nicoteiro said:
News came out today as Martinez's agent said in an interview that he had everything ready with Manchester United, but Eric Ten Hag turned it down becase he wanted Onana instead. He said that the staff wanted Emi and were convinced he was the ideal option, but ETH wanted to work with Onana.
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Damn, he would have been a fan favourite.
 
Love his personality, the way he thrives on pressure situations and 'FU' attitude. He's also an excellent presence and reader of penalty kicks. Yeah, I could see him doing well here, but like others have noted, his distribution would come under scrutiny.
 
Martinez has really bad press but he is a great goalkeeper.
The ammount of really weird takes on him here are quite strange

1. He ain't an off the charts "cat" under the posts like De Gea, Casillas or Fillol...yet he is very good and compensates his lesser agility with better positioning in order to not suffer as a shot stopper, but he is not the one for the impossible jump in the very top corner, he would try to read the situation to avoid the need of such actions.

2. His best asset is that he commands the little area, he is agressive on the ball, like an old guard keeper grabbing the ball most of times, cutting crosses all the time with lots of presence and continuosly keeping his defenders on alert. He is way better in this aspect than the mentioned before and perhaps the best in the world at it, which for me is the best asset with any keeper to keep things calm. He is a very strong fella BTW, you can notice thsi in these actions adn even in penalties how he can improvise with his other hand without loosing stopping power.

3. He is great on one of one situations, he has great positioning and anticipation and even if he is constantly trained in Villa because of how easily teams can have chances against them, in Argentina he tends to keeps thing tidy with the few ocassions the rival attacks and when he fails, he doesn't forget himself and works harder.

4. He is good on the ball, not Ederson level, Neuer level, but every day getting better and more confident, in fact already knowing Licha it's an advantage if he had come to United. Recently he has add some very long passes with great precision out of nowwhere, in this recent Copa he already made at least 3 or 4 assists that Argentina blew putting all of a sudden a player against the rival keeper, it looked like he has been practicing that stuff.

5. He is a looney on the best sense, the best keepers have some sort of lunacy and big presence that intimidates rivals and gives confidence to his mates.

6. And of course a great penalty saver...

All the antics are in the pitch, outside of it or when the match ends, he is the ultimate pro with a big winner mentality.
 
He grew up through the ranks with us, and at the time I was really questioning whether or not we were keeping the right player when we chose Leno. Both were good shot stoppers but I have the feeling they just liked to deal with Leno a lot more.

I feel Martinez is great for a cup run, he also did well for us in our last FA Cup win, but he is too much of an absolute idiot out there at times and he is not great with the ball at his feet. It's clear that with today's game, it's a bit of a necessity. That's why you have Onana. His shot blocking was disappointing last year, but give him another year before moving on in my opinion.
 
His penalty record in the prem is kinda crap. 3 saved out of 19 faced. That's less than 16%.

The really top tier prem pen savers are all well over 25%.

It's only in shoot outs where refs let him act like a cnut where he shines at pens. Normally, he's nothing special at all.
 
Changeisgood said:
He grew up through the ranks with us, and at the time I was really questioning whether or not we were keeping the right player when we chose Leno. Both were good shot stoppers but I have the feeling they just liked to deal with Leno a lot more.

I feel Martinez is great for a cup run, he also did well for us in our last FA Cup win, but he is too much of an absolute idiot out there at times and he is not great with the ball at his feet. It's clear that with today's game, it's a bit of a necessity. That's why you have Onana. His shot blocking was disappointing last year, but give him another year before moving on in my opinion.
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He has improved a great deal on the ball and he has add some long balls that put players on the break almost assisting them.
And he is a looney, not an idiot.

All in all United just had bought a keeper, it would be silly to sell Onana right now.
 
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Shame he didn't previously play for ETH in Holland, otherwise he would've been considered.
 
There is no way in hell that we are buying another goalkeeper, so soon. Erik is not Pep, and we are not City

If we were buying a goalkeeper, Emi would not be my choice, anyway, though
 
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