Eduardo Camavinga / signs for Real Madrid

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Makes me wonder if Ole is even interested in a defensive midfielder for his system, or he wants box to box midfielders? Camavinga is more box to box than a pure defensive one or even a deep lying playmaker. Is Ole looking more for a Keano rather than a Carrick?
 
bsCallout said:
Are we buying these players to appease Pogba?

I imagine getting Varane and Camavinga would see Pogba sign a new deal.

Any reason is a good reason to have them three in the squad.
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Come on now, Camavinga is a baby and does virtually nothing to our immediate needs of competing with Man City in the league and improving in the CL.
I feel like many caftards are blinded by hype. Camavinga has a lot to learn still, he wouldn't be much of help for the following 2 seasons in all likelihood
 
Castia said:
I said before the transfer window whoever signs Camavinga will probably get the transfer of the summer. At 18 he's easily one of the highest prospects in the world in a position we really need, we should be all over this.
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Tchouameni eclipsed him last season and would be a better fit in our midfield.
Canavinga was nailed on to join Real previously, where he’ll actually end up who knows... certainty had a drop in form last season, not sure why some are certain he’s suddenly going to enhance United’s midfield?
 
Pickle85 said:
Not sure we'd spend 100 Mill or whatever to appease Pogba. We'd be buying the players because they fit our plan, not because it would make Paul happy.
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They are top players but there are plenty of top players, the fact they are both French when we want our star player, a Frenchman, to sign, is certainly a good coincidence.
 
kouroux said:
Come on now, Camavinga is a baby and does virtually nothing to our immediate needs of competing with Man City in the league and improving in the CL.
I feel like many caftards are blinded by hype. Camavinga has a lot to learn still, he wouldn't be much of help for the following 2 seasons in all likelihood
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Which bit are you responding too? The fact they'd be great additions to our squad?
 
bsCallout said:
They are top players but there are plenty of top players, the fact they are both French when we want our star player, a Frenchman, to sign, is certainly a good coincidence.
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Sorry but you don't buy two players for huge money to get one of your players to sign a new contract. Doesn't happen.
 
-Supreme- said:
Or Pogba could be heading to PSG and this opens a door for us? Our manager doesn't trust Pogba in CM, I don't think the situation will change by signing Camavinga.

Strangely enough we haven't had much credible news with our outgoings yet, I wonder if we already have agreement in place and we're keeping this quiet until their replacements are finalised.

Nevertheless, it will be interesting times ahead
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Tbh I think as soon as the euros are over or certain players are knocked out then it'll become a madness in regards to transfers.
 
Pickle85 said:
Sorry but you don't buy two players for huge money to get one of your players to sign a new contract. Doesn't happen.
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You're missing the point.

You might look at a lot of options and those two would be on the list, you might then think they're even more valuable because of the ability to perhaps encourage your star player to sign a contract.

It's not to say they wouldn't be on a list of targets anyway.

You might be prepared to pay that extra 10-15 million knowing there is more upside than just having them in your team.

We've all seen the clips of Pogba with his french teammates.
 
Don’t be short term muppets, always be long term. We have the squad to blood him in for McT and alongside Pogba. It’s doable. Will he be the best midfielder in the PL no not for a few years but if we are thinking long term that can only be a good thing.
 
kouroux said:
The bit about Camavinga convincing Pogba to stay. Camavinga is not that good to do that. I'm pretty sure not many actually watched Camavinga this past season.
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Camavinga and Varane, two Frenchmen with real talent, might well encourage Pogba to stay, imo.

Varane, Camavinga, Sancho, takes our team to another level.
 
bsCallout said:
Camavinga and Varane, two Frenchmen with real talent, might well encourage Pogba to stay, imo.

Varane, Camavinga, Sancho, takes our team to another level.
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A player like Paul will look for a team that can help win immediately. Varane could be a good move but Camavinga isn't a player who's gonna impact things on that level. He's too young, too inconsistent and simply not good enough yet to have this impact on a player's career.
Camavinga's hype on the caf surpasses my understanding
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
So an 18 year old is going to solve all our midfield issues?
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does he solve our midfield issue? which issue is that exactly? If we are looking to make a MAJOR impact on our midfield that is Marcos Llorente but that's a different discussion.

This kid is extremely talented, hence the comparisons to being a young Pogba. He's incredibly athletic, very technical and most importantly he is a true box to box midfielder that isn't afraid to tackle.

Look at the impact Bellingham made at Dortmund which has now gotten him into the full national side. Camavinga is 18 so he isn't someone that will walk straight into the starting XI but this kid would be able to develop just like Bellingham and by the second half of the season could see himself start to feature much regularly.

Varane clearly solves our CB issue and Sancho clearly solves our right wing issue plus adds depth to our squad. We've added 3 fantastic players to our top 18 and added strength to the spine of our team and squad.

I don't really see how you couldn't be excited about these 3 being brought in
 
kouroux said:
A player like Paul will look for a team that can help win immediately. Varane could be a good move but Camavinga isn't a player who's gonna impact things on that level. He's too young, too inconsistent and simply not good enough yet to have this impact on a player's career.
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You keep focusing on Camavinga. The three players take us to that level where we should expect to compete.
 
It doesn’t matter what particular posters are saying about his current level not being good enough anyway. If we buy him it’s for the long term and we can clearly see a way of getting him into the team that should suit both parties. I won’t go full muppet on this because I reckon PSG will wrap him up. They are doing the business and will pay whatever it takes.
 
Red_toad said:
Tchouameni eclipsed him last season and would be a better fit in our midfield.
Canavinga was nailed on to join Real previously, where he’ll actually end up who knows... certainty had a drop in form last season, not sure why some are certain he’s suddenly going to enhance United’s midfield?
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I'm not saying he would come in and start 38 games but he's only 18 and his level is up there with players much older than him, id expect Camavinga at age 20-21 to be considered one of the top young midfielders in the world easily, at that point he will be at a top club and cost about 150m.

A squad containing Greenwood, Sancho and Camavinga really is building for the future, 3 of the best young players in Europe for their age.
 
kouroux said:
Yes I keep focusing Camavinga because I don't have an issue with the others :lol: What was I supposed to do ? Forget he was slid in there when this is a thread concerning him ?
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No, because it was clear I was highlighting the purchase of both French players then we have Sancho coming too. At no point did I say Camavinga was the sole reason Pogba would choose to stay or that he'd be solely responsible for making us contenders. You seem to have argue that point when I wasn't even suggesting as much.

Irrespective of all that, what is it you don't think Camavinga does well enough?
 
You bring in Varane and Camavinga that would no doubt have a pull for Pogba to have french mates added to the squad. However, his agent will play the main factor and of course the pay packet.
 
bsCallout said:
No, because it was clear I was highlighting the purchase of both French players then we have Sancho coming too. At no point did I say Camavinga was the sole reason Pogba would choose to stay or that he'd be solely responsible for making us contenders. You seem to have argue that point when I wasn't even suggesting as much.

Irrespective of all that, what is it you don't think Camavinga does well enough?
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I know what you exactly said and having considered that, I simply thought that the Camavinga praise was too much. Nothing more than that tbh.

To keep it short about his "issues" as a footballer, his fitness and his consistency. Or course he is very young and that's normal.

For me though, Utd need ready made players to compete for the PL next season. Camavinga, as far as I'm concerned, doesn't help us in any way when it comes to that. I would think the hope is to close the gap with the best teams in Europe.
 
kouroux said:
I know what you exactly said and having considered that, I simply thought that the Camavinga praise was too much. Nothing more than that tbh.

To keep it short about his "issues" as a footballer, his fitness and his inconsistencies. Or course he is very young and that's normal.

For me though, Utd need ready made players to compete for the PL next season. Camavinga, as far as I'm concerned, doesn't help us in any way when it comes to that. I would think the hope is to close the gap with the best teams in Europe.
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Agreed with this. As much as I love the idea of signing him and hope we do, he's not the ready made instant upgrade that our midfield desperately, and I do mean desperately needs. He's quite far off that right now, and rightfully so, he's a child.
 
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So if I'm reading that right he'd improve us because he's talented but wouldn't change the composition of our midfield? Another player who is more solid in the double pivot than Pogba but who could also do with some sort of actual DM beside him, as is the case with McTominay and Fred?
 
sullydnl said:
So if I'm reading that right he'd improve us because he's talented but wouldn't change the composition of our midfield? Another player who is more solid in the double pivot than Pogba but who could also do with some sort of actual DM beside him, as is the case with McTominay and Fred?
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I don't get the impression he needs a defensive player next to him as much as a positionally responsible player and or good passer. Unfortunately a midfield of Camavinga and Garner is way too inexperienced even though they'd work well together.

The sort of role Pogba has played for France would work with Camavinga.
 
sullydnl said:
So if I'm reading that right he'd improve us because he's talented but wouldn't change the composition of our midfield? Another player who is more solid in the double pivot than Pogba but who could also do with some sort of actual DM beside him, as is the case with McTominay and Fred?
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As would seem to be the case with most midfielders around. We’re pretty much the only big side across Europe who plays with a 4231 (I think maybe Bayern do too?) so it’s pretty hard to find the right personnel for that role it seems.

Everyone else is 3 man midfields in some way.
 
kouroux said:
I know what you exactly said and having considered that, I simply thought that the Camavinga praise was too much. Nothing more than that tbh.

To keep it short about his "issues" as a footballer, his fitness and his consistency. Or course he is very young and that's normal.

For me though, Utd need ready made players to compete for the PL next season. Camavinga, as far as I'm concerned, doesn't help us in any way when it comes to that. I would think the hope is to close the gap with the best teams in Europe.
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What praise are you referring too? I didn't praise him, only to say extra French players with quality in the squad can only be a positive for Pogba when deciding to sign or not.

Fair enough, do you not think with the likes of Varane, Maguire, Pogba in the team around him we would have enough of that experience to be able to play someone like Camavinga?
 
sullydnl said:
So if I'm reading that right he'd improve us because he's talented but wouldn't change the composition of our midfield? Another player who is more solid in the double pivot than Pogba but who could also do with some sort of actual DM beside him, as is the case with McTominay and Fred?
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Yes currently a double pivot rotation option with world class future potential. he’s already an improvement on the ball to Mct who we insist on playing in nearly every game despite his limitations but physically Camavinga is not ready to run games. Who else apart from Fred has run a game of football or even attempted to set a tempo in midfield for the last 2 years? It’s not Pogba and it’s not Mct. Matic doesn’t have the legs to do it anymore and is often found around the CB position playing from side to side. This would be one for the season after next. Bit like amad and Hannibal most likely.
 
bsCallout said:
What praise are you referring too? I didn't praise him, only to say extra French players with quality in the squad can only be a positive for Pogba when deciding to sign or not.

Fair enough, do you not think with the likes of Varane, Maguire, Pogba in the team around him we would have enough of that experience to be able to play someone like Camavinga?
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Never mind, this is getting stupid now :lol: : houllier:

I'd be in for Camavinga if our midfield options were better than what we have. He'd be a true luxury, a long term project with no guarantees
 
kouroux said:
Never mind, this is getting stupid now :lol: : houllier:

I'd be in for Camavinga if our midfield options were better than what we have. He'd be a true luxury, a long term project with no guarantees
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Who do you want for that role?
 
Sancho is old news... the media needs a new story to print every day.
 
As I’ve already said I think this would be a shrewd buy at the right time.

That said it doesn’t fix the glaring lack of a DM. The latter should be our absolute midfield priority.
 
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