What did he say?
Eduardo Camavinga / signs for Real Madrid
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What did he say?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/weallf...-eduardo-camavinga-could-move-to-england/amp/
He’s just saying he can play in the PL. it sounds like he’s been offered or will be offered to the big PL clubs.
Not sure if y'all saw it in the article I linked above, but the English agent (Barnett) also represents Shaw and Henderson, so there's definitely a connection to the club already. Maybe more so now that Shaw has been rejuvenated and Henderson is getting a real run at the number 1 spot.
Oh and after he changed to Barnett in December, Rennes lowered his asking price in the recent January window from €80m to €50m.
So a price of £40m is definitely doable. Maybe even lower in the summer, depending on how strongly Camavinga wants to move to a specific club or not.
Oh and after he changed to Barnett in December, Rennes lowered his asking price in the recent January window from €80m to €50m.
So a price of £40m is definitely doable. Maybe even lower in the summer, depending on how strongly Camavinga wants to move to a specific club or not.
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Camavingas talent is transitions from defence to attack
One of Uniteds weaknesses transitions from defence to attack
Would be a shrewd signing. Wonder what his asking price is
£45m apparntly
One of Uniteds weaknesses transitions from defence to attack
Would be a shrewd signing. Wonder what his asking price is
£45m apparntly
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I said it last summer and I’ll say it again. If we could somehow get Sancho and Camavinga in one window then that would be our strongest window in recent times by a distance. Both are significantly cheaper this year and both are gettable. I know it’s wonderkid fc but those two stick out like a sore thumb for any club interested in signing younger players.
If we've already shown interest, he's obviously going to be known to us, it feels like a no brainer.
Sounds lovely. Same price as Fred.
Hes not a holding midfielder though right? What is he like defensively? Would love us to sign him, but we probably need a 6 first if he isn't one
he’s a future box to box for me
I think he averages around three clients per PL club.
Might not be the strong connection you were hoping.
We don't play with a 6 or a pure CDM, Ole wants both his CM's to be involved in both attack and defence, Camavinga is more than capable of that, he's extremely rounded.
Well, true, but out of all his United clients (Shaw, Henderson, James, Elanga, Romero) we've treated them all well other than maybe Romero lately.
So we are obviously used to dealing with his firm, and we have shown an interest in Camavinga, so it should be easy to deal with them.
I think he’s James’ agent too - so 3 young players Ole has trusted and improved may convince him this is the right place. No chance this kid is going for 50m though - Nobody is spending 50m on an unproven 18 year old CM with 1 year on their contract in this market - 30m absolute tops and that’s with a bidding war.
Karma (Cama) Chameleon has to be his song 
Not particularly - I don’t want him. I just recognise we’re a fantastic option for any young, talented player - especially if they have an agent who has seen that first hand.
He's perfect for the double pivot, he excels at tackling and intercepting so probably could do just as good a job as a lone CDM once he's a few years older and wiser.
Don't think Ole wants a holding midfielder. He wants two all-round midfielders i.e Keane and Scholes. Think that's why he really wanted Bellingham or Caicedo.
Any reason why not? He looks really good and a no-brainer at 30-40m.
If we were in for Bellingham Camavinga for just a little bit more has to be in our crosshairs
Seems a real all-round midfielder. Could call him a better McT. Energetic, can intercept and tackle, but can make line breaking progressive passes too. He definitely won’t sign a new contract now, so we might get a good deal for him if he chooses us, something like £45m, which is still quite hefty, but we’ll have to pay it because Madrid and Pool will be competing to buy him as well.
Against lesser teams:
Henderson
AWB New CB Maguire Shaw
Camavinga/Rice Pogba
Sancho Bruno Rashford
Greenwood
Against top sides:
Henderson
AWB New CB Maguire Shaw
McT/Fred Camavinga
Sancho Bruno Pogba
Greenwood/Rashford
After the progress we’ve made this season, especially in the PL, this squad can genuinely challenge for and win the PL next season.
Against lesser teams:
Henderson
AWB New CB Maguire Shaw
Camavinga/Rice Pogba
Sancho Bruno Rashford
Greenwood
Against top sides:
Henderson
AWB New CB Maguire Shaw
McT/Fred Camavinga
Sancho Bruno Pogba
Greenwood/Rashford
After the progress we’ve made this season, especially in the PL, this squad can genuinely challenge for and win the PL next season.
probably around 1984 /1985
Maradonna had just moved to Napoli so before he clicked there and made them tite challangers - after he had been kicked out of the 1982 world cup and didnt play for argentina for 2 years
whilst Plattini won the world soccer plater of the year title (whatever thats worth) for two years (before maradonna won it in 1986)... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Soccer_(magazine)
he also won the european championships in 1984 (with some 13 goals in 10 games for france that year)... plus the utalian league and the cup winners cup as well as the european cup in 1985
For their clubs over the 1984/1986 period
in seria a platini played 58 scored 38 (total 91 played and 54 scored)
in seria a maradonna played 59 scored 25 (total played 67 scored 30)
I remember that period and summer 1984 Plattini was pretty well recognised as the best - by summer 1986 it was maradonna
Calling Camavinga a holding midfielder is comical. He's box to box; like Fred, but with more potential. Fred is at the top of his game now, he's not getting any better, he'll always miss those long shots, be dispossessed in the worst possible position and make too many miss-passes or too safe passes. Camavinga will become better than Fred could ever be; just a question of time. It could be United management pass-by - maybe they think they already have a lot of "generational talent"?
If Ole doesn't want a holding midfielder, there's sadly no place for Garner here.
Oh, I wasn't calling Camavinga a holding midfielder. It was in response to the post about Ole not wanting him because he's a holding midfielder but he's clearly an all-rounded midfielder.
In response to Garner, he also isn't a holding midfielder.
I doubt United think like that, we've been all over every half decent talent like a rash for the last few years, we've just missed out on players due to more attractive offers elsewhere.
We play with a double pivot. He can play in that.
Would he start right away at Madrid?
Hannibal Mejbri.
I’ve been all aboard the Declan Rice train for 3 years - not going to get off it now!
You don't have too. Camavinga and Rice sounds like a glorious meal.
CamaVagina and Rice
Stellar Football represents half the players in our academy
This.
We don't need a pure DM but rather someone who can play in the double pivot, both defensively and offensively.
Cue eight-thousand caftards secretly smiling at their FM 2020 and/or FM 2021 saves that started with a Mejbri-Camavinga midfield from around 2022-23
The whole notion of Ole not wanting a holder is weird, unless people are associating the role with a pure DM, even in a double pivot one of the midfielders is always going to have a more defensive part to play positionally, one of the things that doesn't work well with McFred is neither have great positional nous and lose track of runners.
Bellingham? Other than that I agree with your point, I think Camavinga is a class talent but if he's our only midfield addition I fear we'll still be stuck with McFred against better teams.
Hannibal Smith.
Bellingham? Other than that I agree with your point, I think Camavinga is a class talent but if he's our only midfield addition I fear we'll still be stuck with McFred against better teams.
Hannibal Smith.
It all depends on the opposition mate. If we're playing a Bayern Munich, Liverpool or City, then say a midfield pairing of Bissouma and Camavinga could be deployed to play a more disciplined role in front of the defence. But most of our games will be against teams where we're expected to take the initiative. And in those games, it's important both our midfielders help advance the transition whether that be on the left or right side of the pitch.
So if Solskjaer wants to implement his high tempo, fast transition football with counter pressing/high pressing capabilities, (Which is a must) then the CBs have to play high up the pitch, with the two midfielders needing to contribute on the ball going forward and also provide defensively by being one of the three players, who will initiate the wide pressing trap on either side of the pitch. This is why I've said it's important he signs a CB with the correct attributes for that to come to fruition. I can't see that coming to fruition with our current CB pairing who are both deep block defenders.
Different positions?
Yeah he can, but he's not going to control a game from deep, he's more in the mould of Fred, McT or Pogba rather than a pivot that will sit and dictate games from deep, hence why I said he's similar to what we've got rather than an addition in something we're lacking.
He has the vision and passing ability to play that role but he’s still a skinny kid. It would be a waste at this moment in time to have him sitting.
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