If Bernando Silva got a one game ban Cavani should get that at most, half a game would be more fair.
Edinson Cavani - Manchester United Player
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i haven’t read any sort of books regarding race or how people use it in everday communications but all my friends would absolutely call each other names. Obviously if your white you wouldn’t call your white friends white but anything else it was a thing. Asians you call them chinitos. Black negritos. White, blanquitos. My girlfriends best friend till this day we call her rubia which means blond. She never been blond a day in her life. We just call her that because she’s white.
What a world we live in, he’s phone was obviously hacked. Move on guys...
6 years younger than Zlatan. He’ll play a long career.
Cultural imperialism.
Do things our way or be condemned.
Don't get me wrong, I'm Black British and I love being so. I'm actually grateful that my grandparents came over in the windrush, cos I have a far higher quality of life than my cousins in the Caribbean. Despite the fact my ancestors only ended up in the Caribbean thanks to the slave trade but that's a whole separate issue...
However, it is hysterical to me to see Brits (who are notorious for not bothering to learn foreign languages) appointing ourselves as the arbiters of what's acceptable to say in Latin American Spanish. I'm not even sure a lot of Brits could find Uruguay on a map!
This equivocation has blown my mind.
However, it is hysterical to me to see Brits (who are notorious for not bothering to learn foreign languages) appointing ourselves as the arbiters of what's acceptable to say in Latin American Spanish. I'm not even sure a lot of Brits could find Uruguay on a map!
Well said : )
We have to look at the context.
He doesn't speak a lick of English and is a Spanish speaker. As far as he is concerned he is just doing the most natural thing he has done all his life which is speak Spanish to his Spanish speaking mate. Suarez was accused of saying something completely different, akin to "I don't speak with black people."
There is no history of this word in England as its a Spanish word. Since when have they said Negrito in England? there are thousands of words and phrases in Spanish they may be offensive if you just translate them word for word in English so shall we just place a blanket ban on Spanish speakers?
In Spanish why not? It's akin to saying homie, mate etc. In Spanish they refer to people based off their physical characteristics. That's how their language works and is it the right of Anglo speakers to change how 572 million Spanish speakers speak, to suit the Anglo culture/ways of communicating?
David Silva is called El Chino in Spain and boxer Marcus Maidana is also called this also (means Chinese). If they are speaking their own language and which you do not understand or speak, it's best to mind our business as things don't always translate the same.
" To swallow a clown" in Spanish means dying of laughter or a person is funny. Of course this does not mean the same in English so there is no point trying to translate things word for word as they don't mean the same in each country.
I don't understand why. 69 is quite evidently not Black and routinely uses an English term which, in common speech, is much more offensive than what Cavani said. However, people gave him a free pass until he snitched on Treyway.
My point was that, generally speaking, people accept the context in which words were used. Cavani's usage was not remotely close to being offensive (its certainly levels below anything 69 routinely comes out with).
Cavani was saying thank you to a friend. There was no spite or undertone in his words. Had Cavani been born and raised in a genteel English household, I'd be more suspicious of his motives in using the word. However, knowing his background and seeing the exchange I can't believe Cavani meant this offensively.
Are people forgetting that Chicharito testified in the Evra vs Suarez hearing that he himself used the same term routinely?
English language rules. 572 million Spanish speakers must remove parts of their mother tongue when in England as the Anglo tongue rules apply in their own language
What's good my fellow Carribean?Cultural imperialism.
Do things our way or be condemned.
Don't get me wrong, I'm Black British and I love being so. I'm actually grateful that my grandparents came over in the windrush, cos I have a far higher quality of life than my cousins in the Caribbean. Despite the fact my ancestors only ended up in the Caribbean thanks to the slave trade but that's a whole separate issue...
However, it is hysterical to me to see Brits (who are notorious for not bothering to learn foreign languages) appointing ourselves as the arbiters of what's acceptable to say in Latin American Spanish. I'm not even sure a lot of Brits could find Uruguay on a map!
Anyways, the bolded part is how I was describing this to my friend. Its very sticky for we Brits to decide what foreign language words are acceptable for foreigners to use. Its actually mad. There are thousands if not millions of words out there that if translated to English, may not fly. Are we going to monitor and be arbiters of every foreign word that is spoken on these shores and hand out bans? It's an impossible, thankless and pointless task.
Everything bless.
I agree with everything you've said. Its an extension of the Team America World Police mentality that our way is the right way and we must impose it on everyone else.
Doesn't matter what their culture is or how their history has shaped the way they see the world. Our way is the right way. Only our historical context matters. Therefore they must change.
His long term international team mate and striking part received a length ban for using the exact same word. He mustn’t have known about that then?
I never stated it was with the intent the Liverpool bellend used it in, as it’s not comparable. But go live in another country and learning about how you can upset the local population and difference in words is pretty essential, especially if you’re a high profile professional footballer. He’s not some Spanish speaking bloke who’s just rocked up in the UK and sending tweets for his mates back home to read. People live to seek out stuff to be offended by now, I do not support that course of action, but that’s how are thing's are now. Live with it and change to suit your environment. He’ll likely get a fine and a ban and learn a lesson. Not that I believe he deserves it, I just know the system.
This is not true. Why do people keep saying this?
https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files.../the-fa-v-luis-suarez---14-december-2011.ashx
Please read the actual FA ruling instead of spreading Suarez's disinformation.
Suarez was not banned for saying the same word. Suarez was banned because the FA found even if he had used that word the context would have made it racially offensive. The FA also found his evidence to be unreliable. Whereas the FA found Evra's to be reliable. Evra, need I remind you, told the FA Suarez had pinched his skin and said 'I hit you because you are Black' among other things. Things that are obviously racially offensive in any context.
Forget his tweet
Last night was a number-9 masterclass. That's what world class number 9's can do.
Last night was a number-9 masterclass. That's what world class number 9's can do.
I just want to say that we have a #7, who has won us 6 pts already as a sub:
- Everton, he killed all their hope of coming back by scoring the 3-1 goal
- Southampton, he got us the equalizer and the come back winning goal for the 3-2
When I compare that to our old puppy loving friend Sanchez, it's so refreshing...
- Everton, he killed all their hope of coming back by scoring the 3-1 goal
- Southampton, he got us the equalizer and the come back winning goal for the 3-2
When I compare that to our old puppy loving friend Sanchez, it's so refreshing...
And this is supposed to be ok because everyone does it?
Do they also do the 'eyes' like father Ted?
Sorry, I'm not seeing why this isn't problematic.
He's a savage in the box. A Robbie Savage out of it.
Fantastic performance on the pitch yesterday! Totally ignorant and stupid insta-comment. It's 2020 and unless he's been living under a rock he deserves the ban he gets.
I.Not everything in the world revolves around the Anglo way of thinking. There exists other cultures and traditions which we may not understand or follow. Is it your job to enforce a way of speaking on an entire continent, based off your view of linguistics? Do other continents/cultures do the same to us?
I am actually curious about the bolded bit
I'm totally ok with our past-it panic buy strikers turning out like Cavani and Ibra. I know there was a Falcao in there too, but you can't win 'em all.
Always thought he was going to be what we needed up front, a traditional striker. Martial and Rashford are very similar in their strengths and both are clearly good talents, but I struggle to imagine either of them scoring the goals Cavani did yesterday. Lets just hope he can teach that side of his game to the others before he goes.
Always thought he was going to be what we needed up front, a traditional striker. Martial and Rashford are very similar in their strengths and both are clearly good talents, but I struggle to imagine either of them scoring the goals Cavani did yesterday. Lets just hope he can teach that side of his game to the others before he goes.
Already repaid what we paid for him.
Can we bring this guy to Old Trafford together with Cavani? He roared the names with passion.
The simple fact is that Cavani is playing for an English club and sent a public message on Twitter so different rules apply.
If I moved to a different country and had a high profile job of some kind, I'm sure I'd have to be mindful of not saying or doing certain things that would be culturally insensitive there but fine back home.
To turn this into a complaint about policing other cultures is a bit OTT in my view and I'm not English so less of the 'Anglo' please.
In relation to what the other poster said calling a man of Japanese descent 'the Chinese fella' isn't a bit racist in any language, no?
He's going to get banned, or Liverpool fans will do their fecking nuts. Let's be honest here.
How would you know though? Simple every day words may be taken as offensive and you use thousands of words everyday.
Would you be able to compile a list of banned words that you use in your native tongue that wouldn't be allowed in the country you are working? is this even a thing?
This is also different as we have taken his language, mistranslated/misinterpreted it and gotten offended. If he had said this in English I may be inclined to agree but we clearly don't have Spanish language experts around so why bother policing it and getting offended? We will never understand it in its correct interpretation so it's best to just leave it be. If I was in Italy and said an English word that meant something different in Italian I would hope they would understand I am foreign and just leave me be!
Well, that's clearly a ridiculous position. It was said in another language so we'll just ignore it
They're investigating it so we'll have to wait and see what they find. I'm sure United and Cavani will have the required linguistic experts.
If it doesn't mean the same thing across the languages and is misinterpreted then yes!Well, that's clearly a ridiculous position. It was said in another language so we'll just ignore it
They're investigating it so we'll have to wait and see what they find. I'm sure United and Cavani will have the required linguistic experts.
He'll get banned though. I can smell it.
Did he tweet in English to a British guy? If not no case.
Half the people in the Philippines would be banned in the UK then. The 4th largest island in the Philippines is called The Negros. Because the Spanish named after the people there who are darker than the people in Luzon.
As for the Suarez case it was different. I agree with the Silva case where no malice was there. You simply can't translate any language word for word.
Half the people in the Philippines would be banned in the UK then. The 4th largest island in the Philippines is called The Negros. Because the Spanish named after the people there who are darker than the people in Luzon.
As for the Suarez case it was different. I agree with the Silva case where no malice was there. You simply can't translate any language word for word.
feck what Liverpool fans think. Their player racially abused someone on on the pitch, our player thanked a fan on insta. This shit isn’t the same.
If he gets more than 1 game, which is what Bernardo Silva got than it’s an absolute piss take.
Isn’t this thread about performances on the pitch? Not as though the other thread is difficult to find ffs.
Been watching the goals again and his movement for the winner is amazing. Sees the opportunity so much earlier than anyone else around him. I wonder if Martial and Rashford can learn that off him? They would be twice the players they are now, if so.
Been watching the goals again and his movement for the winner is amazing. Sees the opportunity so much earlier than anyone else around him. I wonder if Martial and Rashford can learn that off him? They would be twice the players they are now, if so.
I think we have all got mixed up between this one and the FA investigation one!
If it doesn't mean the same thing across the languages and is misinterpreted then yes!
He'll get banned though. I can smell it.
I know he will and I'm not saying he should be either.
I thought I was having a chat with @Stacks, to be honest, but oh no apparently I'm having a mare. Whatever will I do.
The bolded part is clearly not true but as pogue pointed out this is the wrong thread.
It’s bad enough such an incredible contribution on the pitch is being obscured by (what seems to me) a minor indiscretion without the silly arguments clogging up threads where they don’t belong.
Damn bro, as if you just dropped it with a hard R :/
I saw this and assumed English must be the 2nd language
I am really beginning to hate the modern game. VAR, the broadsheets and their anti UTD fake news and transfer stories, and now social media and the blame culture that comes hand in hand with it.
If i was a modern day player i would stay clear of social media as there are always people there waiting to throw you under the bus and assassinate your character.... it spreads like wildfire and is spoiling football for me.
I feel for Cavani, and loathe the bandwagon jumper nobodies like Troy deeney who should focus his efforts on playing football and not trying to vilify someone for sending amessage to a dear friend.
If i was a modern day player i would stay clear of social media as there are always people there waiting to throw you under the bus and assassinate your character.... it spreads like wildfire and is spoiling football for me.
I feel for Cavani, and loathe the bandwagon jumper nobodies like Troy deeney who should focus his efforts on playing football and not trying to vilify someone for sending amessage to a dear friend.