Eder Militao

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golden_blunder said:
It’s not that, UK work permit rules would stop us buying many young players directly from Brazil etc. Portugal doesn’t have those issues. Hence we buy them from Portugal when they’ve had more international caps
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I take your point. Let's say our scouting is fantastic in South America specifically Brazil for example & the sole reason we don't move for them while they're at their home country is because of UK permit laws.

We track a potential star who eventually makes his way to a club in Europe. And who do we end up finally making a move for? Kleberson, Anderson, Da Silva twins & lately Fred. Not Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Adriano, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Neymar, Thiago Silva, Lucio... (We could list a lot more).

And the one time when our scouts agreed on a top tier Brazilian, Ronaldinho, we blew it.

@Ekeke - where is it different you asked me, well I guess our scouting department is pretty decent in Europe only. Africa has brought us Djemba-Djemba & Fortune.
 
If you need world class central defender, you go in Italy. I don't want another "young" and "promising" defender who will be "new Rio or Vidic" in next 5 years. Big no for this transfer. Give me proven defender.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
If you need world class central defender, you go in Italy. I don't want another "young" and "promising" defender who will be "new Rio or Vidic" in next 5 years. Big no for this transfer. Give me proven defender.
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Agreed, right now we need someone experienced, a leader, proven at the highest level. As long as the guy we bring in fits that bill then I'll be happy. Koulibaly would be great but I'd be okay with someone like Manolas or Alderweireld too.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Or just keep Bailly who's probably better right now anyway?
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I have some issues believing that someone will transfer their CB performances 1 to 1 from the Portuguese league to one of the top couple of leagues.

But I have no issue believing that one of the best CBs in Portugal is performing at a much higher standard than Bailly, who has been terrible for us this season - one of the worst performing CBs in the league and not much better last season.

Statistically Bailly is the 3rd worst performing CB in the league that has played 5 matches or more (reducing the chance of it being only 1 or 2 terrible performances) behind Tim Read of Fulham and Balogun of Brighton. Thats just the general performance level though, it doesnt really account for individual errors that lead to opposition missing the chances that came from it. From watching Bailly this season he's been very error prone so I would say he's one of the most guilty on that score too. The stats dont really consider that information, if they did he might be in an even worse position than Balogun and Read. I don't know for sure because I havent watched all of Fulham and Brighton's matches, but I do find it hard to imagine that they have been prone to more mistakes than he has. Just an opinion of course.

Bailly has spent several years at the club showing us that he wasnt worth what we paid for him. He hasn't improved, he's gotten worse as time has gone on.

Militao is 20 years old and hasnt got that record of dis-improvement. He's on the up. His clause thats talked about isnt that much higher than what we paid for Bailly, not when we consider the inflation of football prices in that time. £34 million for Bailly in 2016, £42.5 million according to the article above for Militao. Bailly was bought from a better league but 2 years older than Militao.

For me personally I see no reason to keep a player with such poor performance levels. We've got rid of players who played much better than that. Can we replace him for cheaper than £42.5 million? Absolutely. And I would think thats the smartest choice.

However if our scouts have reason to believe this Militao will be able to perform extremely well in the premier league and not just replace Bailly as a squad option, but can become one of the best CBs in the league then perhaps its worth paying.
 
sideshow_bob said:
I take your point. Let's say our scouting is fantastic in South America specifically Brazil for example & the sole reason we don't move for them while they're at their home country is because of UK permit laws.

We track a potential star who eventually makes his way to a club in Europe. And who do we end up finally making a move for? Kleberson, Anderson, Da Silva twins & lately Fred. Not Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Adriano, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Neymar, Thiago Silva, Lucio... (We could list a lot more).

And the one time when our scouts agreed on a top tier Brazilian, Ronaldinho, we blew it.

@Ekeke - where is it different you asked me, well I guess our scouting department is pretty decent in Europe only. Africa has brought us Djemba-Djemba & Fortune.
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But all that is nothing to do with scouts. They’ve done their job

If the club can’t sign the likes of Ronaldinho it’s because of Peter Kenyon, CEO at the time faxing a 2nd bid lower than the 1st one.

If we don’t sign Ronaldo after he leaves PSV it’s because he’s alreay going to his dream location.

Anderson at the time of signing was one of the most sought after young players around
 
Using the leagues to evaluate the players ability is not usually a good thing, IMHO.

Look at José Fonte: he made good seasons at a small teams and when he went to Benfica he couldn't even get into the bench. He end up being for several seasons at EPL with relative success.

About Militão: he is considered one of the best brazilian defenders of his generation. Curiously, he was bought for the right back position, but his agressive levels, determination and aerial ability, and joining the fact that Porto lost Ivan Marcano, he was slowly introduced into the position and just got better from there.

Buying young potential is always risky. There are several things that can go wrong. Is the player at his peak already? Can he adapt to a differente culture? etc
 
We've messed about too much with these types of signings. We need the real deal in at CB - after that then we can look at the youngster with potential but IMO we already have that with Bailly, Lindelof and possibly Tuanzebe.
 
JJ12 said:
We've messed about too much with these types of signings. We need the real deal in at CB - after that then we can look at the youngster with potential but IMO we already have that with Bailly, Lindelof and possibly Tuanzebe.
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Agreed we should just scout him from now until the end of the season and let the DoF make the decision with that intel. Making more shit decisions now is just plain stupid. And spending money now which the new scouting team should be spending makes no sense.
 
André Dominguez said:
Using the leagues to evaluate the players ability is not usually a good thing, IMHO.

Look at José Fonte: he made good seasons at a small teams and when he went to Benfica he couldn't even get into the bench. He end up being for several seasons at EPL with relative success.

About Militão: he is considered one of the best brazilian defenders of his generation. Curiously, he was bought for the right back position, but his agressive levels, determination and aerial ability, and joining the fact that Porto lost Ivan Marcano, he was slowly introduced into the position and just got better from there.

Buying young potential is always risky. There are several things that can go wrong. Is the player at his peak already? Can he adapt to a differente culture? etc
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You've given one example of a player who made it at Southampton level. Why is it surprising that someone who did poorly at Benfica did well at a club like Southampton? Benfica are better than Southampton. But we arent Southampton.
 
Ekeke said:
You've given one example of a player who made it at Southampton level. Why is it surprising that someone who did poorly at Benfica did well at a club like Southampton? Benfica are better than Southampton. But we arent Southampton.
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If you look at both teams budget, Southampton should be much better than Benfica squad-wise. They have enough funds to buy players with more quality.

As the market is, we need to gamble a bit to hire players. If you hire a player from a top club from Spain / France / Italy/ Germany / England, you will pay a heavy fee and you can get the same flop probability. And probably you will spend almost all your budget in a player.

In any kind of market it is never advised to go all-in.
 
André Dominguez said:
If you look at both teams budget, Southampton should be much better than Benfica squad-wise. They have enough funds to buy players with more quality.

As the market is, we need to gamble a bit to hire players. If you hire a player from a top club from Spain / France / Italy/ Germany / England, you will pay a heavy fee and you can get the same flop probability. And probably you will spend almost all your budget in a player.

In any kind of market it is never advised to go all-in.
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Its not just about the money. Benfica can offer young players the chance to win something. Southampton cant. Benfica are one of the top clubs in their league, Southampton are not. Thats european football and trophies that will be much easier to come by at Benfica so there are reasons why you'd want to be there instead of Southampton.
 
Ekeke said:
Its not just about the money. Benfica can offer young players the chance to win something. Southampton cant. Benfica are one of the top clubs in their league, Southampton are not. Thats european football and trophies that will be much easier to come by at Benfica so there are reasons why you'd want to be there instead of Southampton.
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We've been losing our top players to the likes of Leicester and Southampton, trophies barely matter when they can double their wages.
 
Peyroteo said:
We've been losing our top players to the likes of Leicester and Southampton, trophies barely matter when they can double their wages.
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Regardless I'm going to stick with the opinion that the 18th placed team in the premier league are probably not going to beat the 3rd placed team in Portugal. Obviously the league is a lot weaker, but the best teams in the league are still pretty good in comparison to the teams in our relegation positions.
 
André Dominguez said:
Using the leagues to evaluate the players ability is not usually a good thing, IMHO.

Look at José Fonte: he made good seasons at a small teams and when he went to Benfica he couldn't even get into the bench. He end up being for several seasons at EPL with relative success.

About Militão: he is considered one of the best brazilian defenders of his generation. Curiously, he was bought for the right back position, but his agressive levels, determination and aerial ability, and joining the fact that Porto lost Ivan Marcano, he was slowly introduced into the position and just got better from there.

Buying young potential is always risky. There are several things that can go wrong. Is the player at his peak already? Can he adapt to a differente culture? etc
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I think he is more suited to La Liga or maybe Serie A. One player from them who I think could be a good signing for the EPL is Alex Telles.

This is always debatable, today the gap between the top leagues and the others increased, but if we think Boly or Fonte adapted to the Premier League I mean why not Militão? United needs to sign someone to lead their defensive line, Militão isn't that player imo. But he certainly is better than Boly :D
 
SCP said:
I think he is more suited to La Liga or maybe Serie A. One player from them who I think could be a good signing for the EPL is Alex Telles.

This is always debatable, today the gap between the top leagues and the others increased, but if we think Boly or Fonte adapted to the Premier League I mean why not Militão? United needs to sign someone to lead their defensive line, Militão isn't that player imo. But he certainly is better than Boly :D
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I do think our league does produce good players, generally speaking. People can speak about how Lindelof / Coentrão / Maniche / etc flopped at top clubs, but that's the most "normal" thing to happen.

Top clubs expect super gifted players, and most of the players they hire will never reach that level. If you count top club transfers all over the world, the players who actually stay in the squad for more than 2 seasons is not that big, because either you have that "X factor" or not. And some of those plyers will probably show that "X factor" in another club.

I'm actually encouraged to see the youth talents that keep popping in our league. It clearly shows the B teams are preparing young players quite well for professional football.
 
That penalty :lol::lol::lol:

fecking hilarious miss, took 10 seconds staring at the keeper after the ref whistled and the casually puts it out wide.

Cheers, now please feck off to Madrid.
 
Glad he signed for Real. Hopefully we go with Dias from Benfica if we buy a defender from Portugal.
 
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