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Feck if i can remember the dates. Joses meltdown season and Sarri season when he played for himself.Can you name the season's he "took off" please.
I hate the way he dribbles. Is it a foul when the opponent looks to be kicked?
Its so strange when a defender goes for a clean tackle only to have Hazard throw a body part out to draw the foul.
The ref shouldn't be so defensive of players like that.
Cough Benzema cough..Not for me. He needs to keep the ball moving a bit quicker until he gets in around the box. He simply hangs onto it for a bit too long while dribbling deeper than he should.
When I close my eyes and imagine Ronaldo / Giggs etc dribbling its taking on the fullback time and time again. I honestly can't remember seeing them using their skills to constantly draw fouls 40 yards from goal as I can picture from Hazard. He can't switch the play, he can't really play intricate passing so when he sees blind alley type situations he simply plays for the foul.
He's a great player, don't get me wrong but has a striker ever consistently scored goals in his "On" seasons?
Its why I don't think he would be a hit with a star striker that he would have to feed
Look at you now. People used to pretend Hazard was such a talent that you would be lost without him. Now you have forwards who have less dribbling ability but actually carry the ball and play the quick pass when closed down and youre in a CL final, dominating big sides along the way.Get used to Hazard. All he does is hold on to the ball for too long and loves drawing the foul.
All the strikers he has played for has suffered because of it. No striker will ever be a consistent goalscorer if they have Eden as their main provider.
Jose meltdown season he was playing through an injury sustained while carrying us over the line the previous year, by all means don't take my word for it there's many easily accessible quotes from Guus Hiddink confirming it.Feck if i can remember the dates. Joses meltdown season and Sarri season when he played for himself.
Feck if i can remember the dates. Joses meltdown season and Sarri season when he played for himself.
Just go through your strikers scoring history during Hazards stay and youll see when he gave up on the team and played for himself. Even Costa would go through large spells of not scoring simply because the service wasnt coming from wide when Hazard who would rather run down blind alleys to draw fouls and kill a lot of your attacks.
Ths isnt me misremembering, ive a history on here of calling Hazard out for his selfishness.
Cough Benzema cough..
Look at you now. People used to pretend Hazard was such a talent that you would be lost without him. Now you have forwards who have less dribbling ability but actually carry the ball and play the quick pass when closed down and youre in a CL final, dominating big sides along the way.
Hazars did have off seasons but hes like every other playmaker for good sides who have everything go through him. Youll have good stats no matter unless you absolutely flop.
Hanging onto the ball for far long. Not getting the pass away because hes playing for the foul time and time again. That year was the worst top 4 race i have ever seen and Hazard was part of that. Honest to God i cant picture a Hazard cross. Does he even have a great cross in his locker?Jose meltdown season he was playing through an injury sustained while carrying us over the line the previous year, by all means don't take my word for it there's many easily accessible quotes from Guus Hiddink confirming it.
In what way was he playing for himself under Sarri?
Fair. But when i give him the benefit of the doubt i think of the last world cup. Lukaku was bossing it with KDB and Eden quietly keeping play ticking over behind him. Up to the point Hazard decided to do what he does best (after Brazil i think?) and Lukaku lost all service. Eden wouldn't even pass to him in the end up. Lukaku WC died a death and Belguim looked worse for it but Eden was getting praise because he was dribbling down blind alleys and winning fouls. Alll their forward play became set piece based.Think you raise some valid points, particularly with respect to directness, but he can hardly be classed as having taken off the Sarri season where he was responsible for half the goals in the team?
But also he was surrounded by dross half the time he was here in attack. Costa was class when focused but his stretches of not scoring weren't down to Hazard not providing service, they were down to him sulking and throwing a strop for one reason or another. If anything Hazard should have been MORE selfish and shot more, given he was passing to the likes of Torres, Morata, Higuain, and Willian (who has been hopelessly exposed as a completely average player now that Hazard isn't on the other flank). Hazard made the second most key passes in the PL over the last decade - behind only David Silva who took set pieces. Calling him a selfish player is just misguided.
Because he didn't shoot 20 times a game to pad out his tally.
Kevin Phillips would be considered better than Bergkamp if both played today.
And Pogba is another player who gets far more stick than he deserves, although with some people i get the feeling it's more personal not naming any names Souness.Hanging onto the ball for far long. Not getting the pass away because hes playing for the foul time and time again. That year was the worst top 4 race i have ever seen and Hazard was part of that. Honest to God i cant picture a Hazard cross. Does he even have a great cross in his locker?
Hes what? 29 now and we can point to 3 seasons when he has been a non entity. His PL legacy is just lucky Hazard left when he did.
Im not saying he was a bad player or anything like that, i think he took advatage of your club to make himself look good. Pogba was getting criticised for holding onto the ball from all quarters for us and he isnt half as bad as Hazard at it
Fair. But when i give him the benefit of the doubt i think of the last world cup. Lukaku was bossing it with KDB and Eden quietly keeping play ticking over behind him. Up to the point Hazard decided to do what he does best (after Brazil i think?) and Lukaku lost all service. Eden wouldn't even pass to him in the end up. Lukaku WC died a death and Belguim looked worse for it but Eden was getting praise because he was dribbling down blind alleys and winning fouls. Alll their forward play became set piece based.
If people like that style then fair enough.
Coming from the guy hyping up 'dribbles'...Honestly, when I read some of the terrible takes on this thread, it genuinely makes me believe that Inzaghi would be rated above Kaka if they both played today.
This obsession with stats is so boring. It’s obvious how good Hazard was at his peak if you know how to watch football.
Hanging onto the ball for far long. Not getting the pass away because hes playing for the foul time and time again. That year was the worst top 4 race i have ever seen and Hazard was part of that. Honest to God i cant picture a Hazard cross. Does he even have a great cross in his locker?
Hes what? 29 now and we can point to 3 seasons when he has been a non entity. His PL legacy is just lucky Hazard left when he did.
Im not saying he was a bad player or anything like that, i think he took advatage of your club to make himself look good. Pogba was getting criticised for holding onto the ball from all quarters for us and he isnt half as bad as Hazard at it
Hazard isn't a striker or even a great/main goalscorerFirmino > Lewandowski obviously eh?
One of the best players in the PL who got a dream move to Madrid and then proceeded to get fat and lazy.
Rooney was genuinely world class from 2006-12. 6 years with 4 PL titles and 1 CL.
RVP from 2010 to 2013 was without a doubt the best CF in the league, won 2 Players of the year if I remember correctly.
KDB from 2016 onwards has been easily the best player in the league, soon to win his 3rd PL title in 5 years, mosr likely a CL as well.
Aguero will have 5 PL titles in a decade, an integral part of 4 of these, and if I'm not mistaken the highest scorer in the PL over this period as well.
Silva the same as Aguero plus a WC and Euros winner as well.
Don't really need to talk about Ronaldo.
Hazard by comparison has 2 PL titles and one player of the season.
Indeed.It was a dream move for Chelsea really, given the fee and Hazards subsequent injury problems.
He's always been "fat and lazy". If Real fans are surprised then they were not paying attention. It's like buying house next to an airport and then complaining about the noise.
Fair. But when i give him the benefit of the doubt i think of the last world cup. Lukaku was bossing it with KDB and Eden quietly keeping play ticking over behind him. Up to the point Hazard decided to do what he does best (after Brazil i think?) and Lukaku lost all service. Eden wouldn't even pass to him in the end up. Lukaku WC died a death and Belguim looked worse for it but Eden was getting praise because he was dribbling down blind alleys and winning fouls. Alll their forward play became set piece based.
If people like that style then fair enough.
Talk about being clueless.Hanging onto the ball for far long. Not getting the pass away because hes playing for the foul time and time again. That year was the worst top 4 race i have ever seen and Hazard was part of that. Honest to God i cant picture a Hazard cross. Does he even have a great cross in his locker?
Hes what? 29 now and we can point to 3 seasons when he has been a non entity. His PL legacy is just lucky Hazard left when he did.
Im not saying he was a bad player or anything like that, i think he took advatage of your club to make himself look good. Pogba was getting criticised for holding onto the ball from all quarters for us and he isnt half as bad as Hazard at it
His world cup is one of the most overrated performances I've ever encountered. His apparent great games against those sides actually have videos on youtube and his best work was winning fouls in his own half or playing terrible passes and losing possession in the final third.The world cup I dont think he had a shot on target vs Brazil and France. The 2 most important games. But he scored a brace vs Panama or was it Tunisia
Mind you he played in sides that were mediocre going forward most of the time with tactics from the stone age.the top 4 race was Hazard's fault? Took advantage of the club to make himself look good?
The guy won Two Leagues and Two Europa leagues and an FA Cup in 7 years and he's somehow took advantage? His PL legacy is cemented forever, Pogba's is non existent!
He couldn't dribble past a cone yesterday against a PL side. Surely it's got more to do with him being suddenly injury prone, surely?I personally think Hazard is better in the PL because there is this way that defenders press for the ball that is not seen in La Liga.
The PL defensive line presses up towards the attacker as runs are made to them and a player like Hazard is able to make quick, soft turns and dribbling skills that out do the defenders and enables them to get past them, get in to space and be creative.
In the La Liga this isnt there - they are almost watching you dribble in front of them with all the ball on the floor and wait until the attacker comes to you before they aim to make a last ball winning tackle (which they end up losing to the attacker and ends up through on goal).
I dont think this freedom that is given by La Liga defenders for attackers to "very up close and personal" slow but controlled dribbling suits Hazard.
La Liga is better suited to very pacey dribbling that is done whilst on a sprint and able to get past with the ball at their feet with skills as they enter the defensive line with pace and precision.
Hazard maybe is a fast player but he has this slow controlled type of dribbling that you see as he is able to take on a defender than someone like Bale or Ronaldo just as Real Madrid examples.
Strangely enough some of his best games came against us which doesn't makes all this nonsense pretty much inexplicable. We resorted to man marking him for christs sakes. Then we resorted to our players taking turns to kick him. How quickly the forget.He's easily in the top 3 best players in the PL for the last 10-15 years. Don't know what the hell some of you have been watching. Unstoppable at his best.
This obsession with stats is so boring. It’s obvious how good Hazard was at his peak if you know how to watch football.
Or maybe Ronaldo and Messi just aren't injury prone?
Posting a stat that had Roberto Firmino in the top 5 to prove a point about not using stats!
I actually agree with you though. Looking at this thread, you would think his 8 years in the PL never happened. It’s pretty insane.
I wouldn’t have him above Rooney either, but he is certainly nailed on top 10 of the last 15 years in the PL. Its up for debate where he falls within that, but there is a clear argument for top 5 too. He was magic on his day and it was more regular than a lot of people remember in this thread.
His downfall has been his lack of dedication and professionalism. You can only come back overweight and take summers off so many times before it takes its toll.
The Ronaldo’s and Messis of the game don’t have days off when it comes to their fitness and looking after their bodies and that’s the difference.
Great addition to the conversationTalk about being clueless.
That was his really on seasons. He made the team tick but he was a solo act at his worst.the top 4 race was Hazard's fault? Took advantage of the club to make himself look good?
The guy won Two Leagues and Two Europa leagues and an FA Cup in 7 years and he's somehow took advantage? His PL legacy is cemented forever, Pogba's is non existent!
Feck if i can remember the dates. Joses meltdown season and Sarri season when he played for himself.
Just go through your strikers scoring history during Hazards stay and youll see when he gave up on the team and played for himself. Even Costa would go through large spells of not scoring simply because the service wasnt coming from wide when Hazard who would rather run down blind alleys to draw fouls and kill a lot of your attacks.
Ths isnt me misremembering, ive a history on here of calling Hazard out for his selfishness.
Cough Benzema cough..
Look at you now. People used to pretend Hazard was such a talent that you would be lost without him. Now you have forwards who have less dribbling ability but actually carry the ball and play the quick pass when closed down and youre in a CL final, dominating big sides along the way.
Hazars did have off seasons but hes like every other playmaker for good sides who have everything go through him. Youll have good stats no matter unless you absolutely flop.
Honestly, when I read some of the terrible takes on this thread, it genuinely makes me believe that Inzaghi would be rated above Kaka if they both played today.
This obsession with stats is so boring. It’s obvious how good Hazard was at his peak if you know how to watch football.
Pretty much but then using stats to appear clued up about players one has barely seen play is a caf specialty and this is just expanding the horizons now.Honestly, when I read some of the terrible takes on this thread, it genuinely makes me believe that Inzaghi would be rated above Kaka if they both played today.
This obsession with stats is so boring. It’s obvious how good Hazard was at his peak if you know how to watch football.
I explained away the stats. That year was also Pogbas best ever stats wise as well but our fans werent sitting in the stands chanting feck Sarri ball because they were so bored. If youre a great player and have the entire attack go through you then you will always have great stats. Its why i rate Foden so highly because he does a lot with less of the ball because KDB is always the go to pass. Bruno gives away the ball a lot for us but hes the player we look to everytime so he has 3x the chances to make the pass than anybody else. Wheres Pogbas stats now when he isnt the centre of every play since that was his best ever season as well? Ill tell you right now he just scored his first goal at OT for 2 years but is playing levels above this season than he was back then while his numbers have fallen drastically. Wheres Hazard for Madrid when he has to share responsibility? Called a flop in Madrid when he does play. Sanchez carried Arsenal yet became useless when he wasnt indulged by better players at Utd.This is the type of post i would usually see on Twitter, awful post.
His last season at Chelsea under Sarri is his best numbers wise which isn't a surprise considering it was the first manager he had at Chelsea who was more about attack and possession. He created the most chances, most BIG chances created, Most Man of the Matches, most assists, most take ones, most dribbles and most goal contributions in the whole league. First player since Thierry Henry to get 14 goals and 14 assists in the same season, doing that while playing with Barkley, Giroud, Higuain, Morata, Willian and Pedro. And Hazard does that and is suppose to be inconsistent and having large chunks of the season off. Costa stopped scoring usually after December because he always wanted to leave and sulked.
Hazard always gets treated differently to other players, David Silva being the prime example.
Well said, its like many on here dont watch full football matches, just highlights. You can play well in a football match without scoring or assisting, Havertz is a good example of that last night.
Feck if i can remember the dates. Joses meltdown season and Sarri season when he played for himself.
Just go through your strikers scoring history during Hazards stay and youll see when he gave up on the team and played for himself. Even Costa would go through large spells of not scoring simply because the service wasnt coming from wide when Hazard who would rather run down blind alleys to draw fouls and kill a lot of your attacks.
Ths isnt me misremembering, ive a history on here of calling Hazard out for his selfishness.
Cough Benzema cough..
Look at you now. People used to pretend Hazard was such a talent that you would be lost without him. Now you have forwards who have less dribbling ability but actually carry the ball and play the quick pass when closed down and youre in a CL final, dominating big sides along the way.
Hazars did have off seasons but hes like every other playmaker for good sides who have everything go through him. Youll have good stats no matter unless you absolutely flop.
That's gotta be Fat Ronaldo with hazards face photoshopped on.
where did it all go wrong eden...
I explained away the stats. That year was also Pogbas best ever stats wise as well but our fans werent sitting in the stands chanting feck Sarri ball because they were so bored. If youre a great player and have the entire attack go through you then you will always have great stats. Its why i rate Foden so highly because he does a lot with less of the ball because KDB is always the go to pass. Bruno gives away the ball a lot for us but hes the player we look to everytime so he has 3x the chances to make the pass than anybody else. Wheres Pogbas stats now when he isnt the centre of every play since that was his best ever season as well? Ill tell you right now he just scored his first goal at OT for 2 years but is playing levels above this season than he was back then while his numbers have fallen drastically. Wheres Hazard for Madrid when he has to share responsibility? Called a flop in Madrid when he does play. Sanchez carried Arsenal yet became useless when he wasnt indulged by better players at Utd.