Ed Studward - Your Views, July Edition.

Are you happy with Woodward in his role at United

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Two good signings, and a huge sponsorship deal = good.

Stating that money is no object publicly, potentially meaning clubs will ask for ridiculous amounts of money from us = not so good.
 
On resale value, the true resale value is buying that player at 22 23 24 or 25, he plays at the top for round 7 8 9 years or more for united, and that is how we make our money, his performances helping us get into the champions league, and winning us trophy's in the future, that is resale value.

I will give an example of 3 players who give their true resale value. Ferdinand vidic and evra, all were signed within a 4 year span, and they're performances on the pitch was a great investment over an 8 to 11 year period. That is how you get resale value, their performances on the pitch, transferred to winning trophy's, creating partnerships that would be the bedrock of the teams backbone for years to come, and creating stability which ferdinand vidic and evra did create. And they leave with very little money in return with transfers, but their long term playing careers at united, made more money for the club, than thinking of selling that player on. That is resale value their performances on the pitch, equals to trophys

I hate this value for money BS, if we are considered the biggest club in the world, we should not be thinking of buying this player and looking to sell him on. Luke shaw is seen has a player that will contribute to the team for years to come, and his performances on the pitch will pay off in trophy hauls, not thinking how much we can get for him in the future. That is what Luke Shaw is there for, his resale value is helping us win trophys, he gets older we get 2 or 3 million for him when he is evra's age, needing a new challenge, and we spend big again on another LB. That is how it should always work, unless it is ronaldo who had a dream
 
Oneunited26 said:
On resale value, the true resale value is buying that player at 22 23 24 or 25, he plays at the top for round 7 8 9 years or more for united, and that is how we make our money, his performances helping us get into the champions league, and winning us trophy's in the future, that is resale value.

I will give an example of 3 players who give their true resale value. Ferdinand vidic and evra, all were signed within a 4 year span, and they're performances on the pitch was a great investment over an 8 to 11 year period. That is how you get resale value, their performances on the pitch, transferred to winning trophy's, creating partnerships that would be the bedrock of the teams backbone for years to come, and creating stability which ferdinand vidic and evra did create. And they leave with very little money in return with transfers, but their long term playing careers at united, made more money for the club, than thinking of selling that player on. That is resale value their performances on the pitch, equals to trophys

I hate this value for money BS, if we are considered the biggest club in the world, we should not be thinking of buying this player and looking to sell him on. Luke shaw is seen has a player that will contribute to the team for years to come, and his performances on the pitch will pay off in trophy hauls, not thinking how much we can get for him in the future. That is what Luke Shaw is there for, his resale value is helping us win trophys
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I thought resale value is about buying a commodity that can be amortized over the length of their contract and still hold vale at the end of that deal?

Lets say Obertan for example. Signed for £3m, that fee is them amortized over the two years he was here and we then sold him for £3m again losing no money as he was a young player who had resale value.
 
Pexbo said:
I thought resale value is about buying a commodity that can be amortized over the length of their contract and still hold vale at the end of that deal?
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that is a ronaldo case, which is not something I want from united's top players

Resale value for the club should be their performances on the pitch, makes us successful. And are moved on when they can no longer continue at the top for united, like what has happened with ferdinand vidic and evra, even though vidic could have played another year
 
Oneunited26 said:
that is a ronaldo case, which is not something I want from united's top players

Resale value for the club should be their performances on the pitch, makes us successful. And are moved on when they can no longer continue at the top for united, like what has happened with ferdinand vidic and evra, even though vidic could have played another year
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That's not resale value though. That's just value.
 
Pexbo said:
That's not resale value though. That's just value.
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probably, MUFC should never be looking at resale value, as they do not have to because they are a huge club. The only case with resale value has been ronaldo, because he had a dream
 
Pexbo said:
I thought resale value is about buying a commodity that can be amortized over the length of their contract and still hold vale at the end of that deal?

Lets say Obertan for example. Signed for £3m, that fee is them amortized over the two years he was here and we then sold him for £3m again losing no money as he was a young player who had resale value.
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We lost money on his wages and he offered nothing
 
You can't dispute his ability to conclude sponsorship deals, so commercially he is superb for the club and he seems to have learned his lesson when it comes to briefing the media on transfer targets which he has not done this window. Actions speak louder than words however and he continues to talk up the financial behemoth the club are, with their ability and willingness to sign the worlds best and as a result we have seen just one elite signing in the form of Juan Mata.

I quite like him on a personal level following his interview for MUTV. He came across far better than I imagined he would and he seems a very driven and determined person whom we need in charge of the commercial and transfer side of business. He needs to follow up on that confidence in the club however. Undecided.
 
Randall Flagg said:
We lost money on his wages and he offered nothing
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That's beside the point. As a commodity he held his value because of his age. If we signed a similar player that was 29 he'd have gone for nothing and we'd have lost £3m, as it was he was young and despite being shit held some resale value.

I think the resale value we actually consider is on our "value" punts rather than top stars. We didnt expect any resale value on Van Persie. Zoran Tosic on the other hand we were able to take a punt on and despite the fact he was never good enough to make it here we sold him for more than we bought him for. Therefore we had a relatively risk free punt because of resale value.
 
I have to say I'm getting quite annoyed at his financial peen measuring contest.

That being said, he's a Vidal signing away from being a hero to me.
 
Woody still has it all to prove in my eyes. The shirt deal would have been the work of the Commercial Director, whoever Woody's replacement was, although we knew he was good at commercial deals anyway. In terms of players, Herrera and Shaw are promising signs although both were fairly straightforward if we threw enough money at it. The real test lies with signing players like Hummels, Vidal and Di Maria, especially now that he has made it clear we are ready to spend big and "stop all the best players going to Spain".
 
Kaos said:
I have to say I'm getting quite annoyed at his financial peen measuring contest.

That being said, he's a Vidal signing away from being a hero to me.
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Same here. If he gets us Vidal he can cut my balls off and I would still love him
 
Randall Flagg said:
He has been in the role 12 months

I also am unsure about him, but more than willing to wait and see.

Im just not liking the way we are going about business post Fergie. We never heard about David Gill in this fashion at all
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It's all set up for Woodward to pull something amazing out of the bag and show us doubters up for the clueless fools we are. At least I hope that's how the story plays out. My feelings towards him generally are ambivalent, at best, but like you say he hasn't been doing the job for long. I just hope he does it better soon. Gill had a couple of occasions where he said stuff that never happened, but generally I liked the way he and the club under his charge did business.
 
Randall Flagg said:
I would love a bash at getting sponsorship deals for Man Utd

Its probably quite easy
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We probably have a queue of sponsors waiting for the opportunity to associate their brand alongside United these days. When you look at Bayern's market revenue it makes you realise how much money we've have missed out on over the years. How much credit belongs to Woodward is anyone's guess, but i'm sure he's deserves some. In terms of football matters he was given a baptism of fire in all honesty, with the ditherer in charge. He's One or Two top targets off being a hero with the fans. Plenty of time left in the transfer window to get the players required.
 
Manucho the boss said:
I'd imagine the prestige of playing for us is still a draw, although admittedly not as strong since the opportunity to work under the best manager football has seen.

I'm sure he was looking to leave when you see what's happened at Southampton this Summer.

Also it's not like he's used to regular Champions League football, I just think his agent pulled our pants down on this deal, Shaw would surely have jumped at the chanced to become our 1st choice lb while still learning his trade.
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You're probably right with some of what you've said. There were reportedly other teams interested in his services so I guess we offered a salary that we felt proved we wanted him the most. I very much doubt we just got robbed due to naivety.
 
I'm sure he's a very clever man, anyone in his position would have to be. Without ever having seen him at work, or knowing in detail what his job even entails i don't think i can make this decision. Other than 'compared to Gill' what barometer have we? Securing that deal with Adidas was pretty damn good.
 
In the next 5 weeks or so he will either make himself the most popular man around or he could be the biggest bullshitting chump around.
 
Glanville95 said:
You can't dispute his ability to conclude sponsorship deals, so commercially he is superb for the club and he seems to have learned his lesson when it comes to briefing the media on transfer targets which he has not done this window. Actions speak louder than words however and he continues to talk up the financial behemoth the club are, with their ability and willingness to sign the worlds best and as a result we have seen just one elite signing in the form of Juan Mata.

I quite like him on a personal level following his interview for MUTV. He came across far better than I imagined he would and he seems a very driven and determined person whom we need in charge of the commercial and transfer side of business. He needs to follow up on that confidence in the club however. Undecided.
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I thought he came across quite well in the interview as well. I think it was a telling point though when he said something like 90% of his job supporters find completely uninteresting. They are only concerned with transfers. I've voted yes because he has done outstandingly well on the commercial front, is obviously a bright guy, and like he said, the transfers have solely been the responsibility of SAF, Moyes and LVG. Until I hear SAF or LVG come out and say, "he didn't back me" I'm not buying that he's responsible for poor transfers.
 
He won us 75m/year from adidas alone, he brought us 100m of players... Geez. What else can he do?

Regarding his big mouth, we need it to show we haven't close our chequebook yet, and by saying that it unsettle alot of players and agents offers starts flying in. He's fishing and rightly so.
 
  1. He, finally, got us a midfielder.
  2. He got us a huge deal with adidas.
  3. He is working on more signings.
So yes, I'm happy with what he's been doing.
 
KeaneSixteen said:
It's the July edition. Wouldn't work in September.
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Ah ... good point. :D

Let me rephrase myself. "This kind of question should only really be asked in September". There. Much clearer.

Pogue Mahone said:
Exactly. Tbh, I don't know exactly who does the hard negotiations when it comes to buying and selling players. Woody, or someone else on his team. Whatever, there's zero evidence that we're particularly skilled in this regard. The opposite, if anything.
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Well he did sell Buttner for a profit, you know ..... :p
 
I used to wish (end even thought) he was one of us. Now I'm glad he's English so I don't have to hear about the awful Yank who won't shut up :)

I still want to believe this slick London pimp is an empire builder. I just wish he would stop playing with my emotions and deliver the (rest of the) goods.

So my feelings for Woodward right now are pretty complicated.
 
So he left the tour and gone missing again? Ed we are watching this space, where are you?
 
"It's complicated"
He did well with Herrera and Shaw but we want more Woody (Both his name and erection caused by signing top players). I don't know what to make of his "Money is not an issue" statement but doesn't seem too clever to me.
 
quiet_united said:
So he left the tour and gone missing again? Ed we are watching this space, where are you?
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His job isn't just to sign players... Anybody have any credible source that he left to sign a player or could he simply be required somewhere else?

How the f**k has the CEO of the club got two simultaneously running threads ? Mufc will have Woodward cam during games if this sh*t continues.....
 
Drummer said:
His job isn't just to sign players... Anybody have any credible source that he left to sign a player or could he simply be required somewhere else?

How the f**k has the CEO of the club got two simultaneously running threads ? Mufc will have Woodward cam during games if this sh*t continues.....
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:lol:
 
Americano said:
I used to wish (end even thought) he was one of us. Now I'm glad he's English so I don't have to hear about the awful Yank who won't shut up :)

I still want to believe this slick London pimp is an empire builder. I just wish he would stop playing with my emotions and deliver the (rest of the) goods.

So my feelings for Woodward right now are pretty complicated.
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He's what my dad would have called a "spiv."
 
Little more than two weeks to end of a tour and short after that begins the first Premier League fixture. Time flies. If we're planning to be stronger then it's really appropriate time to start as players will probably need at least one week to accommodate. There's some hard decisions to be made about further departures but the case of signings just like season ago may have a great impact on team's results and overall performance in perspective of a whole season. This time we have to make things right and there's no escape from that responsibility. The losses from previous campaign are also in pure and simple money aspect so there's no excuses for mr Woodward who's working hard in that department.

I certainly believe he has indeed all necessary funds at his disposal and green light from owners to make things happen... at least that's what his interview is strongly suggesting.

It's really hard to pass the judgement on Ed right now as he's saying to watch out for imminent something... what exactly it is we already know but from experience we can't be fully sure what to expect from a guy who does indeed many things but not many of these things are signings of a world class players. Perfect time to incorporate those words into credible and professional actions.

It's Manchester United. We won't be satisfied with a half of a sandwich. We want the whole thing without poisonous lies in our mustard.

No pressure. You have the money and the ball is in your court.
 
done a pretty awesome job since xmas, mata, herrera and shaw. hiring Van Gaal,massive sponsorship, the promise of more money.

As long as he continues to show he has leaned the from the mess him and moyes over saw last summer, i'd say he is doing a great job.
 
Nytram Shakes said:
done a pretty awesome job since xmas, mata, herrera and shaw. hiring Van Gaal,massive sponsorship, the promise of more money.

As long as he continues to show he has leaned the from the mess him and moyes over saw last summer, i'd say he is doing a great job.
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Err but what about the dact he said he could sign Messi but hasn't?

He still hasn't signed Messi. Until he has I think the verdict is out.
 
Shaw and Hererra brought him a stay of execution for me. but that's taken him from Bad into the neutral zone. im still waiting on the world class signings he's been blabbing on about for 3 transfer windows now, mata was a good start but a luxury player who was effectively gift wrapped to us by mourinho, flogging him off at a premium and laughing all the way to the bank for a player not in his plans.

we've signed a 750m.... 750m.... record kit deal in addition to all the other sponsorships. when are we going to see a star or 2 brought into old trafford. As much as we pride ourselves on "Making stars" or whatever, the team has become so unbalanced and filled with rot its effectively begging for major surgery in key areas. We need a top class CB and another Top class CM this window at the minimum. then if he's feeling really ballsy, Cover at wingback and another CM, if he wants to build 352 long term.
 
Quite simply my view is that he's obviously going to be judged by this transfer window and the fruits of it.

He's also done himself no favours by continually talking-up this window as the time we (the club) will flex our financial muscle to bring in multiple top players. If he fails to back this up, he will look very incompetent.

So far, it's not enough but better than nothing. Herrera and Shaw should be great buys but if he fails to land at least another midfielder (and a good one at that) then for me his job is on the line. It will be on the line by the mere fact I cannot see us getting back into the top four without another proper midfielder in the squad. LVG is good but not a miracle worker and I think most will see the real culprit should we finish outside the top four after not bringing in the necessary playing personnel.

We might well pull it off without further recruitment but I doubt it very much so.
 
The squad isn't balanced and he'll have a busy august on his hands, we still don't know what van gaal wants exactly, but we're really short on defenders, and while we have numbers in midfield we still lack quality, there's no way we'll start the season without sorting out those two areas.

He'll also have a busy time trying to sell some players, it won't be easy and i think we'll end up sending few on loans.
 
Our transfer business hasn't been leaked as badly as last summer. The interview to MUTV was a mistake imo, too early to be so confident. Using phrase's like 'watch this space' has raised expectation. Big talk needs followed up Ed, not long to the start of the season. Moyes played his part last Summer but Woodward made a fool of himself as well. Still many questions over who is coming and who's leaving? It be good to get all the players in before the Swansea game, doubt it though. You can applaud the commercial deals but it's how we play on the pitch that matters to me. I understand the importance of sponsorship but it's the Glazers, they've used the club to clear their debt. We have bought well so far but we need more. Woodward can go on MUTV and talk a good game, let's see if he can back it up.
 
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