Ed Studward - Your Views, July Edition.

Are you happy with Woodward in his role at United

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Hopeful nobody objects to this thread. I just thought it apt that we should have a poll now following his recent interviews which can then be followed up by the same poll following the transfer window on Sept 1st to see how our opinions fluctuate on him depending on performance and what he says.


Its a 7 day poll and votes will be compared to the previous thread and future thread.

Current discussion can be kept in the other thread with the purpose of this thread being your views on him and his role.
 
Still on the fence, he could be doing things right. I reserve my judgment until the end of the window.
 
Still prepared to be patient.

Did not like his recent shite though, he can talk the talk yet he has yet to deliver in my opinion. You never hear Real Madrid or Barcelona discuss how much they can spend, they actually spend.
 
Undecided. He and the club have until September, and I've been solid on that since the start of the summer.

What I will say is that thus far the club is in a lot happier place than it was this time a year ago.
 
Votes yes because he is taking the club where other teams can only dream about as far as the commercial revenue is concerned, but he does need to shut his mouth a little. I do believe he would have landed most of the targets identified by Moyes, but Van Gaal has other targets in mind. I really don't care about superstar players, but we would be left with scraps after the other top clubs have had their pick. Only possible top level players left are Vidal, Pogba, Hummels and Reus. We might be able to get hold of Vidal if we are willing to pay through the roof, the others are not likely moving this summer.
 
Not sure what the thinking is behind his recent comments, saying we have loads of money to spend isn't generally a smart negotiating tactic. There's no player out there that's worthy of breaking the transfer record for that would be interested in coming here to be honest. It comes across a bit desperate and this interview is just to appease the transfer muppets.
 
Manucho the boss said:
Not sure what the thinking is behind his recent comments, saying we have loads of money to spend isn't generally a smart negotiating tactic. There's no player out there that's worthy of breaking the transfer record for that would be interested in coming here to be honest. It comes across a bit desperate and this interview is just to appease the transfer muppets.
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You need only look at city, Monaco and psg and ask how did throwing cash at players work?

Players will come and while not being in champo league doesn't help, I think united is engrained as a huge club in most players minds...

United simply has to make offers that can't be refused. Unfortunately Real Madrid and barca are hoarding every top player there is! We are arriving at the "spend big" table well after our spending limits were eroding the quality of the squad.
 
A little less talking from him in terms of how much we can spend (although maybe that is to appease/gain sponsors)

Otherwise I think he is doing a good job, he is however putting himself under pressure if we don't sign that elite top top player that the manager wants.
 
Undecided. Seems to be spewing out the same rhetoric which other CEO's have used.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Don't even care about a big name signing. I'm just waiting for him to show any sign of acumen in the transfer market. Paying over the odds or via a fixed release clause is no measure of the man when it comes to these sort of negotiations.
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Not sure if he's the one negotiating wages but if he is then I'd be a bit concerned. I'm happy with Shaw but did we really need to pay him £100k+ a week?
 
On the fence as well, if he delivers the big signing(s) we've been promised, then I'll be convinced by him. Until then he's just talk.
 
Oh and re his skills in the transfer market, that includes selling players on as well as overseeing all the contract negotiations.

Obviously up in the air with the new manager but all we've seen since Woody took over is players leaving for peanuts right before their contract expires. If we take that approach to shifting on all our deadwood we'll have lost an awful lot of money.
 
Manucho the boss said:
Not sure if he's the one negotiating wages but if he is then I'd be a bit concerned. I'm happy with Shaw but did we really need to pay him £100k+ a week?
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I think paying big wages is a necessity if you want to sign players who aren't looking to move. You need to give them a damn good reason the pick you over other teams also.
 
I'm undecided, he seems to be acknowledging just how bad everything was last season which is good but then it looks like he's repeating the same mistakes this summer. I'd certainly prefer it if he stopped giving interviews boasting about how much money we have.
 
crossy1686 said:
I think paying big wages is a necessity if you want to sign players who aren't looking to move. You need to give them a damn good reason the pick you over other teams also.
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I'd imagine the prestige of playing for us is still a draw, although admittedly not as strong since the opportunity to work under the best manager football has seen.

I'm sure he was looking to leave when you see what's happened at Southampton this Summer.

Also it's not like he's used to regular Champions League football, I just think his agent pulled our pants down on this deal, Shaw would surely have jumped at the chanced to become our 1st choice lb while still learning his trade.
 
I'll give my end judgement once the transfer window is over. His still very much on the fence but if he can deliver a big signing that will change.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Don't even care about a big name signing. I'm just waiting for him to show any sign of acumen in the transfer market. Paying over the odds or via a fixed release clause is no measure of the man when it comes to these sort of negotiations.
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I suppose it depends on your expectation level. There is a direct correlation between success and spending. Look at the top spenders in Europe and you will see they dominate their respective leagues and Europe.

I'm not suggesting we spend for the sake of it, but I don't care if the club overpays (subjective topic valuing players) for a player they really need or want. Why would you ?

The club is saying it has no limit on transfer funds, why do people just want us getting bargains or unknown gems?

The last season I remember feeling like the club had real world class ambitions in the transfer market was the season we bought Veron and ruud. Two top players reaching the peak of their abilities. No worries about resale value, just spending big on two top players... They were bought only two seasons after wining the champions league. We sold our greatest player after winning the champions league in 2009 and never reinvested in a remotely similar quality player when there was an opportunity to use our success to buy anybody (even in years after when we got to cl finals)...

As I said, money does not equate to success but if you expect to be the best, you have to take risks with big money. Are we always going to be a club that will sell our top players to the likes of Madrid or barca or will we ever be a club signing the bales, Rodriquez, ronaldos, or neymars?

It would seem odd to profess to be the biggest club in the world with transfer ambitions that don't match those of clubs of similar or lesser stature.
 
I'm willing to give him time, but he does need to start backing up his rhetoric with actions.

My theory: perhaps he thinks by saying how much money we're willing to spend, fans will naturally blame the manager if we then don't spend big. Same thing was witnessed at Arsenal.
 
Drummer said:
I suppose it depends on your expectation level. There is a direct correlation between success and spending. Look at the top spenders in Europe and you will see they dominate their respective leagues and Europe.

I'm not suggesting we spend for the sake of it, but I don't care if the club overpays (subjective topic valuing players) for a player they really need or want. Why would you ?

The club is saying it has no limit on transfer funds, why do people just want us getting bargains or unknown gems?

The last season I remember feeling like the club had real world class ambitions in the transfer market was the season we bought Veron and ruud. Two top players reaching the peak of their abilities. No worries about resale value, just spending big on two top players... They were bought only two seasons after wining the champions league. We sold our greatest player after winning the champions league in 2009 and never reinvested in a remotely similar quality player when there was an opportunity to use our success to buy anybody (even in years after when we got to cl finals)...

As I said, money does not equate to success but if you expect to be the best, you have to take risks with big money. Are we always going to be a club that will sell our top players to the likes of Madrid or barca or will we ever be a club signing the bales, Rodriquez, ronaldos, or neymars?

It would seem odd to profess to be the biggest club in the world with transfer ambitions that don't match those of clubs of similar or lesser stature.
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Jaysus, you chose your username well. Still banging that transfer spending drum, I see.

By the way, you don't need to go back to Ruud or Veron for an example of signing a top player reaching the peak of their abilities. The same is also true of Berbatov and Hargreaves, both signed much more recently. Obviously, as we saw with Veron, there's no guarantees even with this approach.
 
We need a D) Weren't a fan before and aren't convinced yet, but you don't view it as urgent he's shipped out and you're willing to give him more time, that's my group.:cool:
 
Drummer said:
I suppose it depends on your expectation level. There is a direct correlation between success and spending. Look at the top spenders in Europe and you will see they dominate their respective leagues and Europe.

I'm not suggesting we spend for the sake of it, but I don't care if the club overpays (subjective topic valuing players) for a player they really need or want. Why would you ?

The club is saying it has no limit on transfer funds, why do people just want us getting bargains or unknown gems?

The last season I remember feeling like the club had real world class ambitions in the transfer market was the season we bought Veron and ruud. Two top players reaching the peak of their abilities. No worries about resale value, just spending big on two top players... They were bought only two seasons after wining the champions league. We sold our greatest player after winning the champions league in 2009 and never reinvested in a remotely similar quality player when there was an opportunity to use our success to buy anybody (even in years after when we got to cl finals)...

As I said, money does not equate to success but if you expect to be the best, you have to take risks with big money. Are we always going to be a club that will sell our top players to the likes of Madrid or barca or will we ever be a club signing the bales, Rodriquez, ronaldos, or neymars?

It would seem odd to profess to be the biggest club in the world with transfer ambitions that don't match those of clubs of similar or lesser stature.
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I think Pogue's argument is that, buying Strootman for £12 million would be a better reflection of his acumen than buying Messi for £120 million. You could argue Messi's worth that much, but the Strootman deal would show his ability to negotiate, whereas the Messi deal is just him flexing our financial muscle.

Probably not the best example I could have given, but the point is, paying over the odds for a player is easy when you have the money we have. It's negotiating a bargain that is a truer test.

Edit: (I believe) Pogue's point is more focused on Woodward's ability as CEO,whereas you're focusing on the club's ability to buy world class players.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Jaysus, you chose your username well. Still banging that transfer spending drum, I see.
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Globule said:
I think Pogue's argument is that, buying Strootman for £12 million would be a better reflection of his acumen than buying Messi for £120 million. You could argue Messi's worth that much, but the Strootman deal would show his ability to negotiate, whereas the Messi deal is just him flexing our financial muscle.

Probably not the best example I could have given, but the point is, paying over the odds for a player is easy when you have the money we have. It's negotiating a bargain that is a truer test.

Edit: (I believe) Pogue's point is more focused on Woodward's ability as CEO,whereas you're focusing on the club's ability to buy world class players.
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Exactly. Tbh, I don't know exactly who does the hard negotiations when it comes to buying and selling players. Woody, or someone else on his team. Whatever, there's zero evidence that we're particularly skilled in this regard. The opposite, if anything.
 
He's clearly good at the commercial side but I'm still not convinced with transfers. We've paid 27 million for Fellaini, 30 million for shaw and paid the buyout clause for Herrera so they weren't exactly hard to get. We can't really judge him till the end of this window but I'm not getting my hopes up.
 
How many CEO's previously or at any other clubs are very good commercially and have large responsibilities in pulling off transfers, while being skilled at both?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Jaysus, you chose your username well. Still banging that transfer spending drum, I see.

By the way, you don't need to go back to Ruud or Veron for an example of signing a top player reaching the peak of their abilities. The same is also true of Berbatov and Hargreaves, both signed much more recently. Obviously, as we saw with Veron, there's no guarantees even with this approach.
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They club is always stating that it's managers have cash to spend. It's certainly debatable that it's actions in the transfer markets have matched ambitions to dominate England and Europe..

Heargreaves and berbs were bought on differant seasons.. I was only stating that I felt buying two top European players the same season was a big statement. Doesn't have to be like that every season but it's clear we need to do it now!

Would you be satisfied with the clubs ambitions if they bought monkey else ? Would you be satisfied if they spent maybe another £40mil ?

I'm not having a go, I suppose it's a question on what exactly united fans would class as transfer policy that shows ambitions to win the league .

We have lost 3 of the back 4 that was so successful under SAF and only replaced one. We are still short in cm (unless LVG can get greater levels out of our existing cm) and at best will still have a central midfield on paper that's no better then 3rd best in England. We don't know how Herrera will bed in and could certainly do with an experienced cm like Vidal.

I would argue that we need a cm and cb. If we got top quality players in both positions I would be satisfied.

The big question will be, if we don't sign anybody was it because LVG was satisfied with squad or was it because the club wasn't prepared to pay over the odds for his priority targets. Since even SAF clearly towed the line behind the owners, that will be something that can only really be debated...
 
I love how everybody is gone from rightly praising Woodward for getting the Shaw and Herrera deals done, to slamming him and brushing those deals off as a walk in the park. :lol:

This forum is like a woman. Constantly changing its mood.
 
I will pass my judgement after the transfer window but so far he's doing well.
 
KeaneSixteen said:
I'll give him Mata, pleased with that. However looking back on his move, it doesn't strike me as the work of a master transfer operator, but as a desperate and opportunistic move by someone that was (is) way out of their depth. He's yet to prove himself properly.
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He has been in the role 12 months

I also am unsure about him, but more than willing to wait and see.

Im just not liking the way we are going about business post Fergie. We never heard about David Gill in this fashion at all
 
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