Sorry but if you are gonna go that route to class him in front of Jesse Owens is a pure disgrace. The fact that he did in front of the 3rd Reich is all the better. That said the best track runner I have ever seen in my lifetime is Michael Johnson his 19.32 in Atlanta while wearing golden shoes is the best track performance possibly ever, the fact that no man has ran better than 19.62 since solidifies it, his running style was timeless as was Owens'
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Sorry but if you are gonna go that route to class him in front of Jesse Owens is a pure disgrace. The fact that he did in front of the 3rd Reich is all the better. That said the best track runner I have ever seen in my lifetime is Michael Johnson his 19.32 in Atlanta while wearing golden shoes is the best track performance possibly ever, the fact that no man has ran better than 19.62 since solidifies it, his running style was timeless as was Owens'
Jesse Owens may possibly be the greatest athlete, ever. By saying Ben's the best sprinter of all time, I was implying that he could beat anyone, in any era. . .and probably would've smashed the world record even further. He was leagues ahead of the other sprinters.
I've been reading up on Nandrolone. . .and it's probably the least potent of the anabolic steroids. And yes, it can occur, naturally, but it's very rare. And it's more likely that the likes of Linford Christie were purposely taking it. Pakistani bowler Mohammed Asif has just been caught for nandrolone. . . I guess, all sportsman could make the same excuses as the likes of Christie, Rudeski, Ottey et al. But we shouldn't be naive enough to believe them. Plus, in Linford's case, most athletes use steds during injury or in the off season. So, I'm not surprised he was found to be positive. (well 100 times over the natural limit, says it all)
As for Lewis. He's always been a joke.
It's the drugs.
The whole drug thing has pretty much killed off any interest in athletics for me (and I think a lot of others). Who cares who's got the best chemist?
A few years ago I read a study on various legal supplements (e.g mass-gain products, etc) and about 30% of them apparently resulted in a positive nandralone test. It was about the time when players like Davids and Stam were testing positive for it. Not that I think Christie was particularly clean: he came through at a time when British drug testing was seriously corrupt.
Surely this was because he was a cheating, drug taking shit bag.
Nine Olympic Gold Medals . . . some joke.
Carl Lewis tested positive THREE times. Read up mate, Brad posted some quotes by Lewis and how he justified the use. But that's okay, as long as others don't cheat. Ben = Cheat. Lewis = Hero. Okay.
I never knew that. Could it have been creatine that was causing the positive tests?
Carl Lewis tested positive THREE times. Read up mate, Brad posted some quotes by Lewis and how he justified the use. But that's okay, as long as others don't cheat. Ben = Cheat. Lewis = Hero. Okay.
Sorry mate, must have missed that one.
In that case Ben = Cheating shitbag and Lewis = Cheating shitbag.
seems fair to me.
Possibly, the study was on over-the-counter nutritional supplements.
ERICSAGOD said:
6 of the 8 finalists in 1988 have tested positive during their careers. Runners basically had to take drugs to make it a level playing field, which makes the margin of Ben Johnson's victory all the more impressive.
He as failed in bid.
Dwain Chambers has failed in his high Court appeal to allow him to run in the Olympics in Beijing.
British 100m champion Chambers had gone to the High Court to seek an injunction against the British Olympic Association's bylaw which prevented him from being selected for the Olympics after testing positive for drugs.
Although the case was not due to be held until next year Chambers wanted the injunction in order for him to be allowed to run in the Olympics next month before contesting the full case next year.
However, a High Court judge has ruled out that possibility and Chambers will now miss out on his dream of returning to the Olympic Games.
Chambers had won the National Championships and easily attained the Olympic qualifying standard and woud have represented Britain's best chance of a 100m medal in Beijing.
Chambers has served out a two-year ban after testing positive for a performance-enhancing steroid, but a special BOA bylaw says athletes cannot represent Team GB at the Olympics after a failed drugs test.
Chambers continues to argue that the bylaw should not stand as he is allowed to race by the IAAF and can take part in every other event such as the World Championships.
Several other athletes who have failed drugs test and served out bans will be taking part in Beijing but Chambers will not be one of them.
British 100m champion Chambers had gone to the High Court to seek an injunction against the British Olympic Association's bylaw which prevented him from being selected for the Olympics after testing positive for drugs.
Although the case was not due to be held until next year Chambers wanted the injunction in order for him to be allowed to run in the Olympics next month before contesting the full case next year.
However, a High Court judge has ruled out that possibility and Chambers will now miss out on his dream of returning to the Olympic Games.
Chambers had won the National Championships and easily attained the Olympic qualifying standard and woud have represented Britain's best chance of a 100m medal in Beijing.
Chambers has served out a two-year ban after testing positive for a performance-enhancing steroid, but a special BOA bylaw says athletes cannot represent Team GB at the Olympics after a failed drugs test.
Chambers continues to argue that the bylaw should not stand as he is allowed to race by the IAAF and can take part in every other event such as the World Championships.
Several other athletes who have failed drugs test and served out bans will be taking part in Beijing but Chambers will not be one of them.
Dissapointed for him, he qualified in first and proved hes the best we have, he should be there.
I do feel bad for the guy
Everyone knows he done wrong, and hs paid the price for that but he seems to have learnt his lesson and has worked hard to get back to the level he's at.
From a purely selfish point of view my favourite event at the olympics won't be as good now with us not having a decent sprinter.
Everyone knows he done wrong, and hs paid the price for that but he seems to have learnt his lesson and has worked hard to get back to the level he's at.
From a purely selfish point of view my favourite event at the olympics won't be as good now with us not having a decent sprinter.
He used to be my favourite sprinter, so its not easy to see what he's going through. I thought he'd win this injunction. But I'm glad he didn't. He's a cracking example of what there is to lose if you're discovered as a drug cheat
Apparently in future the length of the ban for a drug cheat will rise from 2 to 4 years which is good news. That's getting towards career ending. Which is only right, because an athlete will show life long benefits from taking drugs
No - I am happy that he failed.
Once a cheat always a cheat
Once a cheat always a cheat
My dissapoinment i guess is from a purely selfish point of view
I'm so anti drugs in sport its untrue, its one of the things that really bugs me. However as in everything in life a second chance should be available providing there is evidence that the person in question has worked hard and shown that they have changed.
I do agree with Brad though - this can only act as a massive warning to those maybe considering using performance enhancing drugs.
I'm so anti drugs in sport its untrue, its one of the things that really bugs me. However as in everything in life a second chance should be available providing there is evidence that the person in question has worked hard and shown that they have changed.
I do agree with Brad though - this can only act as a massive warning to those maybe considering using performance enhancing drugs.
he got caught
he deserved a second chance
he deserved a second chance
Good.
He's a cheat and a liar and I'd rather we send in people who work hard than a steroid freak who runs a little quicker.
He's a cheat and a liar and I'd rather we send in people who work hard than a steroid freak who runs a little quicker.
Denis Mitchell was the chairman of the anti doping committee when he got caught(I think). It's funny, that.
That Lewis has got some cheek, I'll give him that! What possible right does he have to comment on this when he's failed three drug tests in his career, while Bolt is to our knowledge an entirely clean athlete...
Lewis cautious over Bolt success
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/7613895.stm
Sprint legend Carl Lewis has questioned Usain Bolt's stunning successes at the Beijing Olympics because Jamaica does not enforce random drug tests.
Bolt won three golds in China, setting world records in the 100m and 200m.
But American Lewis said: "When people ask me about Bolt I say he could be the greatest athlete of all time.
"But to run 10.03 seconds one year and 9.69 the next, if you don't question that in a sport with the reputation it has right now, you're a fool. Period."
Jamaican Bolt, 22, became the first man to win the 100m, 200m and 4x100m at a single Olympics since Lewis himself achieved the feat at the 1984 Los Angeles Games.
He is also the first man to set world records in all three events at a single Games.
But Lewis, who himself failed three drugs tests in 1988 only to be cleared of any intentional wrongdoing, believes it necessary to remain cautious about Bolt's incredible performances.
The 47-year-old told Sports Illustrated: "I'm proud of America right now because we have the best random and most comprehensive drug-testing programme.
"Countries like Jamaica do not have a random programme, so they can go months without being tested.
"No-one is accusing Bolt, but don't live by a different rule and expect the same kind of respect. How dare anybody feel that there shouldn't be scrutiny, especially in our sport?"
Lewis cautious over Bolt success
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/7613895.stm
Sprint legend Carl Lewis has questioned Usain Bolt's stunning successes at the Beijing Olympics because Jamaica does not enforce random drug tests.
Bolt won three golds in China, setting world records in the 100m and 200m.
But American Lewis said: "When people ask me about Bolt I say he could be the greatest athlete of all time.
"But to run 10.03 seconds one year and 9.69 the next, if you don't question that in a sport with the reputation it has right now, you're a fool. Period."
Jamaican Bolt, 22, became the first man to win the 100m, 200m and 4x100m at a single Olympics since Lewis himself achieved the feat at the 1984 Los Angeles Games.
He is also the first man to set world records in all three events at a single Games.
But Lewis, who himself failed three drugs tests in 1988 only to be cleared of any intentional wrongdoing, believes it necessary to remain cautious about Bolt's incredible performances.
The 47-year-old told Sports Illustrated: "I'm proud of America right now because we have the best random and most comprehensive drug-testing programme.
"Countries like Jamaica do not have a random programme, so they can go months without being tested.
"No-one is accusing Bolt, but don't live by a different rule and expect the same kind of respect. How dare anybody feel that there shouldn't be scrutiny, especially in our sport?"