Should he or shouldnt he?
I personally think he should, served his punishment, and is running briliantly. Get him to the olympics
I personally think he should, served his punishment, and is running briliantly. Get him to the olympics
Dwain Chambers
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10.21 is hardly impressive
Chambers has served his ban, just like most criminals serve prison sentences and then start from scratch - most having learnt their lesson.
I would bet my life on it that several of the athletes who have signed the petition to keep him out of the games were or are drugs cheats themselves.
But he's rubbish can't even run under 10 seconds.
I would bet my life on it that several of the athletes who have signed the petition to keep him out of the games were or are drugs cheats themselves.
But he's rubbish can't even run under 10 seconds.
Get him in there, he's still our best sprinter.
Let him go to the Olympics I say.
It was 10.03 seconds by the way.
Regardless considering how many people go 9.7 these days, I believe an American went 9.6something a few weeks ago but had the aid of a tail wind
Yes. Because they're all on steds.
I think it would make the olympics more interesting, be funny if he got a medal as well.
Shame he can't go but, as GB athletics rule regarding drugs is different to the Olympic commitee's, under our rules he is still rightly banned.
Seems daft to me though.
Seems daft to me though.
Doesn't seem unfair to me.
If you're a drug cheat, you should be banned for life full stop.
If you're a drug cheat, you should be banned for life full stop.
I think it's a bit much, but it's not like he has any moral high ground in which to argue his place. Once a cheater, always a cheater
Hes clean now (presumably) and hes proven hes the fastest we've got, so he should go.
Difficult one for me because Chambers was my favourite athlete back in the day, I felt cheated more than most. For a long time, Chambers was struggling to get back competitive with the top sprinters after injury. I reckon he was straight up until that point, and evidently took the drugs to compete again. That's just my recollection though, dunno if the facts back it up
The thing for me is, there will be other athletes who've tested positive for drug use, who will be competing at the Olympics. Only the British Olympic Association has a by law preventing participation in major competition. That can't be right, either all have it or none have it. Personally I'd be happy if all had it, but it has to be a level playing field
I believe once you've served your punishment, you should be given a clean slate. People will sneer at you and treat you like crap, thats just tough and a known consequence of your actions priot to committing them. I think the problem here is that the initial punishment isn't harsh enough. I think there should be a criminal sentence for anyone who dopes, they are essentially comitting fraud with the prize money and commercial benefits they illegally achieve. And the competition ban should be far longer, personally I'd set it at 5 years for a first offence, and a life ban for the second
The thing for me is, there will be other athletes who've tested positive for drug use, who will be competing at the Olympics. Only the British Olympic Association has a by law preventing participation in major competition. That can't be right, either all have it or none have it. Personally I'd be happy if all had it, but it has to be a level playing field
I believe once you've served your punishment, you should be given a clean slate. People will sneer at you and treat you like crap, thats just tough and a known consequence of your actions priot to committing them. I think the problem here is that the initial punishment isn't harsh enough. I think there should be a criminal sentence for anyone who dopes, they are essentially comitting fraud with the prize money and commercial benefits they illegally achieve. And the competition ban should be far longer, personally I'd set it at 5 years for a first offence, and a life ban for the second
I would like to see him go back and be given a chance. Buts its hard to like him with his past
Wasn't he playing rugby??
He did a months trial with the Castleford tigers, played one friendly and it was clear he was never going to cut it both fitness and ability wise.
So after his 30 days he was let go.
Worked out well for both parties really as Chambers got back in the public eye and the Castleford tigers and rugby league as a whole gained a lot of publicity from it, some of it not so good but as they say there's no such thing as bad publicity.
I tend to agree with this. If you look at how much protection other national athletics' federations have given to athletes who have tested positive, especially in the past, then Britain are missing out by leaving behind their only potential 100m medal contender.
I like his determination
He has gone through a tough time and was young and impressionable when he tested positive. Every case is different.
Still tough though because if you let him back in you set a precedent
He has gone through a tough time and was young and impressionable when he tested positive. Every case is different.
Still tough though because if you let him back in you set a precedent
I don't frankly care if other countries let their drug-cheat athletes back in. Fact is, we don't, and that should be something we're proud of rather than annoyed at.
Someone's got to make a stand about it and I'm glad it's us. I really don't want a drug-cheat representing us at the Olympics. It would be shameful.
Someone's got to make a stand about it and I'm glad it's us. I really don't want a drug-cheat representing us at the Olympics. It would be shameful.
What the feck are you talking about? Only a handful of men have gone 9.7 in history.
World record landmarks
10.20 Jesse Owens (USA) Chicago (1936)
10.00 Bob Hayes (USA) Tokyo (1964)
9.95 Jim Hines (USA) Mexico City (1968)
9.93 Carl Lewis (USA) Rome (1987)
9.92 Carl Lewis (USA) Seoul (1988)
9.90 Leroy Burrell (USA) New York (1991)
9.86 Carl Lewis (USA) Tokyo (1991)
9.84 Donovan Bailey (CAN) Atlanta (1996)
9.79 Maurice Greene (USA) Athens (1999)
9.74 Asafa Powell (JAM) Rieti (2007)
9.72 Usain Bolt (JAM) New York (2008)
Meant to say 9.8, that said......................
Tyson Gay went 9.68 weeks ago. As I said he had a tail wind(thus no WR). Sorry about the poor quality video its all I could find
It was 10 flat, and its the fastest time ever recorded by a Brit on home soil according to the 5 live commentary I heard
Ben Johnson and all. It's funny, but Carl Lewis was caught three times. . .yet it was hushed up by the Yanks.
They're all on steds, though. And those times are insane, 9.74, 9.72. Usain Bolt's not even a 100m runner.
Well said. Lewis is regarded as a track legend (fair enough, but it should be for his Long Jump and 200m efforts rather than for being second best to Ben in the 100m) while Johnson is villified as the biggest drugs cheat in the history of sport. His 9.79 in Seoul twenty years ago remains one of the greatest track performances, especially considering he stopped running with 20m to go.
Cheating, drug taking shitbag, ban him for life . . . end of!
For me, he's the best sprinter of all time(Ben). And didn't Christie test positive and all? It's rife in athletics, to deny this, is very naive. Flo Jo was another. She was clearly on the juice. . .and her untimely death was due to multiple organ failure. Something associated with steroids. It's not just athetics. Boxing's just as bad. Evander Holyfield was on steriods.
thank God cycling is clean 
it's all fcuked these days. I don't know who to trust. whenever I hear of an athlete posting a fast time I'm left wondering if they're clean or not.
they should test them all prior to the race and then again afterwards. that way they could cull the field of the cheats before they take up spots in the races.
imagine, you're in the semis and you lose out on a place in the final by one spot and then they find that some guy was a cheat....
it's all fcuked these days. I don't know who to trust. whenever I hear of an athlete posting a fast time I'm left wondering if they're clean or not.
they should test them all prior to the race and then again afterwards. that way they could cull the field of the cheats before they take up spots in the races.
imagine, you're in the semis and you lose out on a place in the final by one spot and then they find that some guy was a cheat....
Perhaps they should embrace it. They could do it fairly and have a 'drugs' race and a 'clean' race. I'd love to see the 8 second barrier broken for the 100m.
agreed. He is a cnut and a half.
love Ben Johnson, drugs or not that was one of the greatest moments in Canadian sport.
I talked to Donovan Bailey in a bar once in 1997. I was drunk enough to want to challenge him to a race but thought that my Gazelles would give me an unfair advantage as he was in dress shoes.
feckin hell, just watched that youtube clip on Gay. incredible.
he better watch out for the Jamaicans though.
he better watch out for the Jamaicans though.
Chambers is no more of a cheat than most footballers so why shouldn`t he be allowed to ply his trade?
Eh?
Probably means American Footballers Brad.
How did I miss that news? I didn't realise Lewis was a drugs cheat. I've just found this article where he 'defended' it...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay
"There were hundreds of people getting off," he said. "Everyone was treated the same.
"The climate was different then," said Lewis. "Over the years a lot of people will sit around and debate that [the drug] does something. There really is no pure evidence to show that it does something. It does nothing."
Which of course is no defence, and as the article infers, was probably a masking agent for another drug. Its such a disgrace, I feel so sorry for the clean athletes who push their body to the natural limit, and all for what? It's no consolation decades later that you lost to a cheat. Even if its overturned a month later, you've lost your moment of glory as it should have happened
btw that article, here's an interesting passage. If only they knew then what we know now!
Britain's Dwain Chambers will join the United States' world record holder Tim Montgomery and the Olympic and world champion Maurice Greene in an event in which the winner is guaranteed $500,000, nearly 10 times what the gold medallist in the world championships in Paris will earn
btw Spoons, Christies failed test came at a meet where he came out of retirement to perform. He tested positive for nandralone, which was later proved to be present in legitimate supplements at the time. Although Christie was supposedly 100 times over the natural limit or something, so make of that what you will
No i fecking don`t. I mean cheating as in feigning injury and diving all over the place. What`s the difference.
Whats the difference between diving and taking illegal drugs to improve your performance while practically committing fraud?
I dont know pal you have me stumped.
