Just a reminder on Veratti...he is contracted until 2021 and his club has owners that could buy United without blinking.
He would be the dream buy, but don't torture yourselves and ignore the press rumours, PSG won't sell.
£50m + Martial would do it. Everyone is purchasable, if the player wants it.Cant see PSG ever letting him go.
In addition, homegrown lads have the affiliation with the supporters and the culture of the club. Foreign players can pick it up but they're not obliged to. They may see the club just as their current employer and live their lives in a bubble until they next move.
When you say homegrown do you just mean players from our own Academy? As I don't really see any reason why a player from any other English city would create a greater bond with fans than foreign players, as we've seen with the likes of Cantona, Evra, Ronaldo and even Herrera from the current crop
Gotta agree. Mourinho knows our best games come with 4-3-3 and therefore no need to spend £80 million on a player just to squeeze him in team somehow.
Carrick replacement should really be our top priority. Eventually one more B2B to provide backup and competition for Herrera.
The obsession with formation is tiresome. Any formation can work with the right players playing as a team.Exactly.
I'm just worried that Mourinho might want to go back to his favoured 4231, despite us looking a lot better in a 433.
It happened under Van Gaal. Looked so much better in a 433, then in the Summer he went and bought players (Schneiderlin, Schweinstieger) to suit a 4231 formation.
The obsession with formation is tiresome. Any formation can work with the right players playing as a team.
I'm sure they wouldn't want those specific alternatives but then you're deliberately going to extremes. The ideal scenario would be producing our own local talent.The question I'd ask those people is would they rather see us with Barkley and Drinkwater in the team than Pogba and Herrera? If you look at the British alternatives that we could get they just don't stack up to anything but weakening the side.
£50m + Martial would do it. Everyone is purchasable, if the player wants it.
I'm sure they wouldn't want those specific alternatives but then you're deliberately going to extremes. The ideal scenario would be producing our own local talent.
why would we want to give up Martial?
Well Drinkwater and Barkely aren't exactly the best English players around are they? I'm perfectly aware it's not easy. The point is that an entirely foreign team isn't something I'd like to see and I'd say it's the same for a great many people.I wasn't going to extremes, I was just using English players who play in the same positions as they exist now as opposed to thinking of players that don't yet exist. It's fine wanting us to develop our own but it's not as easy as that, you can only develop what is there and sometimes the better ones coming through might not be British as our net is wide now for youth recruitment.
Well Drinkwater and Barkely aren't exactly the best English players around are they? I'm perfectly aware it's not easy. The point is that an entirely foreign team isn't something I'd like to see and I'd say it's the same for a great many people.
Where would Griezmann play? Mkhi is better than Martial, so unless we can loan Martial for a couple years until he's ready to replace Zlatan, we should sell if we are buying Griezmann
why would we want to give up Martial?
I'd prefer a team that is good rather than one that is British and poor too but I definitely wouldn't be happy to see Utd regularly fielding teams with no British players in it.They are English players who could feasibly be bought though to make our side more British, we aren't going to buy Dele Alli, Kane or Sterling who are among the better English talents. I get your point and I am not adverse to having Enlish players in the team, but only if they are actually at a good enough level, first and foremost I want a good team that plays attractive football..
I'd prefer a team that is good rather than one that is British and poor too but I definitely wouldn't be happy to see Utd regularly fielding teams with no British players in it.
We've already been linked with the Benfica boys.
Griezmann link is obvious.
And we obviously need a new DM so insert any good young DM.
Don't think there's any real facts here.
When you say homegrown do you just mean players from our own Academy? As I don't really see any reason why a player from any other English city would create a greater bond with fans than foreign players, as we've seen with the likes of Cantona, Evra, Ronaldo and even Herrera from the current crop
Not sounding good for Fosu-Mensah if we're bringing in another CB, RB and CM.
£50m + Martial would do it. Everyone is purchasable, if the player wants it.
£50m + Martial would do it. Everyone is purchasable, if the player wants it.
Where would Griezmann play? Mkhi is better than Martial, so unless we can loan Martial for a couple years until he's ready to replace Zlatan, we should sell if we are buying Griezmann
Calm down tiger. I'm not advocating it, just pointing out that Veratti isn't 'unobtainable', in fact the PSG chairman has already said if we went after Veratti they'd go after Martial.We are a club full of proper Muppets aren’t we? We must have that new toy at whatever expense huh? What next after that deal? … Pogba +50 for Messi? Why stop at players...Mourinho + 10 for Klopp.
Jesus! Martial is a 21 year old player who scored 17 goals in his first season. Our best player last season…we are ready get rid of him now? What if Verratti fails in the PL?
I would say a lot of people would. I think a team needs players from their own nation. Like it or not it usually means a closer bond to the team.
I'd prefer a team that is good rather than one that is British and poor too but I definitely wouldn't be happy to see Utd regularly fielding teams with no British players in it.
That particular quote mainly applies to academy players.
However before that I said all English clubs should have British/Irish representation. I can't speak for anyone else but it wouldn't sit right if we didn't meet that because of our proud history of players from these Isles. That coupled with the fact we are an English club. The same ideal applies to Spanish clubs, Italian clubs, French clubs etc. You can't lost that identity.
Of course not every club has the same standard. The level of British and Irish talent is at a low state. Once upon a time United made up most of the England team.
The youth production is something we need to work on. United have the highest percentage of academy boys playing in the English leagues. The club should rightly be proud of that.
But....the main purpose of the academy is to produce players for Manchester United. Not for Burnley, Sunderland and Wolves.
It looks like we are moving in the right direction with the restructuring. Therefore I don't want it to get to a point where the pathway for academy lads to the first team is blocked. That's been the scenario at many other big clubs. It doesn't sit right seeing promising talents being held back because you've assembled a bloated first team squad.
And when it comes to the cream of the crop from other clubs we should be willing to pay. Like we did in the past. I don't think Fergie would have missed out on Dele Alli for £5m.
Because typically these players view United as the pinnacle and form the main-stay. I'm not saying foreign players won't...but there is an element that they see differently (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern). There's also an element that they map out a career differently and are more open to new challenges. British players have been criticised for not testing themselves abroad but we weren't complaining when our contingent stuck around.
Edit: I hope that makes sense. Didn't want to waffle on too long
Calm down tiger. I'm not advocating it, just pointing out that Veratti isn't 'unobtainable', in fact the PSG chairman has already said if we went after Veratti they'd go after Martial.
+Strawman :/
I know nothing about 3 of them, but after the impact Mourinho's 4 summer signings have had I'll trust him whoever he brings in. Signing Greizmann would be incredible.
He hardly plays there, and the success he's had so far has come from playing in a SS position. While that's not to say he CAN'T play as a lone striker, we'd be buying him on the back of his performances as a second striker.Genuine question, why does many think Griezmann cannot play as a lone striker?