Ducker: Jose Mourinho targeting £180m quartet across the next two transfer windows

We've already been linked with the Benfica boys.

Griezmann link is obvious.

And we obviously need a new DM so insert any good young DM.

Don't think there's any real facts here.
 
Just a reminder on Veratti...he is contracted until 2021 and his club has owners that could buy United without blinking.

He would be the dream buy, but don't torture yourselves and ignore the press rumours, PSG won't sell.
 
Just a reminder on Veratti...he is contracted until 2021 and his club has owners that could buy United without blinking.

He would be the dream buy, but don't torture yourselves and ignore the press rumours, PSG won't sell.

It happens all the time when clubs don't want to sell but the player wishes change that causes the club to do a forced sell. I'm not sure if Veratti wants to goto any particular club , but time will come when he does want to. Like we did with Ronaldo, PSG will have no choice.
 
We've been linked to Benfica players every season for the last 7-8 years. Nothing new. It must be some sort of mutual partnership we have with them to use our name to drive a sale.
 
In addition, homegrown lads have the affiliation with the supporters and the culture of the club. Foreign players can pick it up but they're not obliged to. They may see the club just as their current employer and live their lives in a bubble until they next move.

When you say homegrown do you just mean players from our own Academy? As I don't really see any reason why a player from any other English city would create a greater bond with fans than foreign players, as we've seen with the likes of Cantona, Evra, Ronaldo and even Herrera from the current crop
 
When you say homegrown do you just mean players from our own Academy? As I don't really see any reason why a player from any other English city would create a greater bond with fans than foreign players, as we've seen with the likes of Cantona, Evra, Ronaldo and even Herrera from the current crop

True, though I'd replace Ronaldo with Ole or Park :smirk:
 
Well they're certainly all the right ages to come in for those prices. Going to be such an exciting young squad.
 
Gotta agree. Mourinho knows our best games come with 4-3-3 and therefore no need to spend £80 million on a player just to squeeze him in team somehow.

Carrick replacement should really be our top priority. Eventually one more B2B to provide backup and competition for Herrera.

Exactly.

I'm just worried that Mourinho might want to go back to his favoured 4231, despite us looking a lot better in a 433.

It happened under Van Gaal. Looked so much better in a 433, then in the Summer he went and bought players (Schneiderlin, Schweinstieger) to suit a 4231 formation.
 
I know nothing about 3 of them, but after the impact Mourinho's 4 summer signings have had I'll trust him whoever he brings in. Signing Greizmann would be incredible.
 
Exactly.

I'm just worried that Mourinho might want to go back to his favoured 4231, despite us looking a lot better in a 433.

It happened under Van Gaal. Looked so much better in a 433, then in the Summer he went and bought players (Schneiderlin, Schweinstieger) to suit a 4231 formation.
The obsession with formation is tiresome. Any formation can work with the right players playing as a team.
 
The question I'd ask those people is would they rather see us with Barkley and Drinkwater in the team than Pogba and Herrera? If you look at the British alternatives that we could get they just don't stack up to anything but weakening the side.
I'm sure they wouldn't want those specific alternatives but then you're deliberately going to extremes. The ideal scenario would be producing our own local talent.
 
I'm sure they wouldn't want those specific alternatives but then you're deliberately going to extremes. The ideal scenario would be producing our own local talent.

I wasn't going to extremes, I was just using English players who play in the same positions as they exist now as opposed to thinking of players that don't yet exist. It's fine wanting us to develop our own but it's not as easy as that, you can only develop what is there and sometimes the better ones coming through might not be British as our net is wide now for youth recruitment.
 
why would we want to give up Martial?

Where would Griezmann play? Mkhi is better than Martial, so unless we can loan Martial for a couple years until he's ready to replace Zlatan, we should sell if we are buying Griezmann
 
I wasn't going to extremes, I was just using English players who play in the same positions as they exist now as opposed to thinking of players that don't yet exist. It's fine wanting us to develop our own but it's not as easy as that, you can only develop what is there and sometimes the better ones coming through might not be British as our net is wide now for youth recruitment.
Well Drinkwater and Barkely aren't exactly the best English players around are they? I'm perfectly aware it's not easy. The point is that an entirely foreign team isn't something I'd like to see and I'd say it's the same for a great many people.
 
Well Drinkwater and Barkely aren't exactly the best English players around are they? I'm perfectly aware it's not easy. The point is that an entirely foreign team isn't something I'd like to see and I'd say it's the same for a great many people.

They are English players who could feasibly be bought though to make our side more British, we aren't going to buy Dele Alli, Kane or Sterling who are among the better English talents. I get your point and I am not adverse to having Enlish players in the team, but only if they are actually at a good enough level, first and foremost I want a good team that plays attractive football..
 
Where would Griezmann play? Mkhi is better than Martial, so unless we can loan Martial for a couple years until he's ready to replace Zlatan, we should sell if we are buying Griezmann

Some of the posts on this forum are frightening.
 
They are English players who could feasibly be bought though to make our side more British, we aren't going to buy Dele Alli, Kane or Sterling who are among the better English talents. I get your point and I am not adverse to having Enlish players in the team, but only if they are actually at a good enough level, first and foremost I want a good team that plays attractive football..
I'd prefer a team that is good rather than one that is British and poor too but I definitely wouldn't be happy to see Utd regularly fielding teams with no British players in it.
 
I'd prefer a team that is good rather than one that is British and poor too but I definitely wouldn't be happy to see Utd regularly fielding teams with no British players in it.

I agree with this. Plus right now there's a lot of British talent in our academy. Many of them might not be ready right now but as far as our team in a couple years, hopefully they'll be a part of it. There's definitely a few academy players that could potentially be swapped in for some of the potential buys in the 'future team' a few pages back which sparked this whole tangent, if they're given the chance.
 
We've already been linked with the Benfica boys.

Griezmann link is obvious.

And we obviously need a new DM so insert any good young DM.

Don't think there's any real facts here.

We've been linked with Fabinho and Bakayoko a few times, he's just copy and pasting old stories and pretending he's ITK.
 
When you say homegrown do you just mean players from our own Academy? As I don't really see any reason why a player from any other English city would create a greater bond with fans than foreign players, as we've seen with the likes of Cantona, Evra, Ronaldo and even Herrera from the current crop

That particular quote mainly applies to academy players.

However before that I said all English clubs should have British/Irish representation. I can't speak for anyone else but it wouldn't sit right if we didn't meet that because of our proud history of players from these Isles. That coupled with the fact we are an English club. The same ideal applies to Spanish clubs, Italian clubs, French clubs etc. You can't lost that identity.

Of course not every club has the same standard. The level of British and Irish talent is at a low state. Once upon a time United made up most of the England team.

The youth production is something we need to work on. United have the highest percentage of academy boys playing in the English leagues. The club should rightly be proud of that.

But....the main purpose of the academy is to produce players for Manchester United. Not for Burnley, Sunderland and Wolves.

It looks like we are moving in the right direction with the restructuring. Therefore I don't want it to get to a point where the pathway for academy lads to the first team is blocked. That's been the scenario at many other big clubs. It doesn't sit right seeing promising talents being held back because you've assembled a bloated first team squad.

And when it comes to the cream of the crop from other clubs we should be willing to pay. Like we did in the past. I don't think Fergie would have missed out on Dele Alli for £5m.

Because typically these players view United as the pinnacle and form the main-stay. I'm not saying foreign players won't...but there is an element that they see differently (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern). There's also an element that they map out a career differently and are more open to new challenges. British players have been criticised for not testing themselves abroad but we weren't complaining when our contingent stuck around.

Edit: I hope that makes sense. Didn't want to waffle on too long :p
 
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£50m + Martial would do it. Everyone is purchasable, if the player wants it.

I'm not sure I'd want to give up martial to get Verratti but if Martial has another underwhelming season anything is possible.
 
£50m + Martial would do it. Everyone is purchasable, if the player wants it.

We are a club full of proper Muppets aren’t we? We must have that new toy at whatever expense huh? What next after that deal? … Pogba +50 for Messi? Why stop at players...Mourinho + 10 for Klopp.

Jesus! Martial is a 21 year old player who scored 17 goals in his first season. Our best player last season…we are ready get rid of him now? What if Verratti fails in the PL?
 
We are a club full of proper Muppets aren’t we? We must have that new toy at whatever expense huh? What next after that deal? … Pogba +50 for Messi? Why stop at players...Mourinho + 10 for Klopp.

Jesus! Martial is a 21 year old player who scored 17 goals in his first season. Our best player last season…we are ready get rid of him now? What if Verratti fails in the PL?
Calm down tiger. I'm not advocating it, just pointing out that Veratti isn't 'unobtainable', in fact the PSG chairman has already said if we went after Veratti they'd go after Martial.

+Strawman :/
 
I'd prefer a team that is good rather than one that is British and poor too but I definitely wouldn't be happy to see Utd regularly fielding teams with no British players in it.

It would only bother me if we were fielding that team while British options of equal quality were being neglected.

That particular quote mainly applies to academy players.

However before that I said all English clubs should have British/Irish representation. I can't speak for anyone else but it wouldn't sit right if we didn't meet that because of our proud history of players from these Isles. That coupled with the fact we are an English club. The same ideal applies to Spanish clubs, Italian clubs, French clubs etc. You can't lost that identity.

Of course not every club has the same standard. The level of British and Irish talent is at a low state. Once upon a time United made up most of the England team.

The youth production is something we need to work on. United have the highest percentage of academy boys playing in the English leagues. The club should rightly be proud of that.

But....the main purpose of the academy is to produce players for Manchester United. Not for Burnley, Sunderland and Wolves.

It looks like we are moving in the right direction with the restructuring. Therefore I don't want it to get to a point where the pathway for academy lads to the first team is blocked. That's been the scenario at many other big clubs. It doesn't sit right seeing promising talents being held back because you've assembled a bloated first team squad.

And when it comes to the cream of the crop from other clubs we should be willing to pay. Like we did in the past. I don't think Fergie would have missed out on Dele Alli for £5m.

Because typically these players view United as the pinnacle and form the main-stay. I'm not saying foreign players won't...but there is an element that they see differently (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern). There's also an element that they map out a career differently and are more open to new challenges. British players have been criticised for not testing themselves abroad but we weren't complaining when our contingent stuck around.

Edit: I hope that makes sense. Didn't want to waffle on too long :p

Not at all, I got your point. :)

I think we will always keep trying with our Academy but these days we are just as likely to produce a young foreign talent from it as a British one, especially when you look at the bulk of our recruitment at Under 18 level. Even at U21 level 2 of our 3 best prospects on the cusp are Dutch and Brazilian.

As for buying the cream of the crop from other clubs, that has become increasingly difficult due to the amount of money pouring into all of the PL clubs from the TV deal. For instance some here like Dier from Spurs, in the past we could have gotten him off them, these days they have no incentive to sell.
 
Calm down tiger. I'm not advocating it, just pointing out that Veratti isn't 'unobtainable', in fact the PSG chairman has already said if we went after Veratti they'd go after Martial.

+Strawman :/

Apologies… its early Morning here and I am nursing a hangover. I also don’t rate Verratti as highly as a majority here seem to.
 
Blimey, that's a lot of dosh Woody has burning a hole in his back pocket. Guess you have to speculate to accumulate.

Ibra is our only player who scores goals so another goalscorer like Griezmann makes sense.
 
I know nothing about 3 of them, but after the impact Mourinho's 4 summer signings have had I'll trust him whoever he brings in. Signing Greizmann would be incredible.

Agree after buying Depay, Morgan, Bastian, Rojo, Darmain watching Jose come in and bring in Bailley, Myktarin, Zlatan and Pogba and see the impact and how they are better than the players we already had gives me a lot of faith in Jose even if we were not getting the results we all want.
 
Bakayoko is not a Carrick type. He would be more dynamic defensive midfielder, operating more in an efficient 4-4-2. He's not that great technically and would struggle in Carrick's role. He would be very good if the whole team were more technical, if the two central defenders were clean with their passing. I imagine he would do great job like Casemiro does at Madrid, because he's surrounded by marvelous player.

Unfortunately, we're not so gifted, and we need a player here who can pass the ball out the likes of Smalling, Blind, Rojo and Bailly who can't
 
Genuine question, why does many think Griezmann cannot play as a lone striker?
He hardly plays there, and the success he's had so far has come from playing in a SS position. While that's not to say he CAN'T play as a lone striker, we'd be buying him on the back of his performances as a second striker.