Druggie Diego Maradona was over-rated

Re_Deus

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I got some stick from some when I suggested this in another thread, so I thought I'd address it here.

Maradona was NOT the greatest player ever to have lived. He was talented but his physical stature was supplemented by illegal substances, in other words, he used performance enhancing drugs. He was skilful but without the steroids giving him the strength and speed no other 5 foot midget possesses, he would never have out run the England defence in '86 to score THAT goal.

And that match also proved why the fat little turd could never be as good as Pele, with that goal he knocked in with his hand. He was a cheat. What right-minded person could ever consider a cheat as the greatest in his field? Was Ben Johnson the greatest 100-metre sprinter of all time? Was Fred Lorz the greatest marathon runner of all time? Is Charles Ingram the best ever quiz player? Were Milli Vanilli the best act ever to hit number 1? Actually, scrap the last one... The answer is NO, because they're all filthy cheats. Just like Diego.

It’s a pity such a disgraceful athlete has ever attained such a lofty position in our noble sport, to the extent where he’s held in higher esteem than Cruyff, Best, de Stefano and even Pele (by the misguided few).
South Americans, barring Argentines of course, believe Pele was better. Ask Americans who was better…most would never even heard of Diego, whereas Pele was the man that popularised the sport in North America.

Europe probably favours Diego on the whole, and I think this is largely because the white majority of Europeans can’t accept the fact a black man was better than any whitey that played the game.
Think what you like, but I’d be damned if I'm going to accept a cheating, drug abusing fatso as the greatest player the beautiful game has seen.
 
Re_Deus said:
I got some stick from some when I suggested this in another thread, so I thought I'd address it here.

Maradona was NOT the greatest player ever to have lived. He was talented but his physical stature was supplemented by illegal substances, in other words, he used performance enhancing drugs. He was skilful but without the steroids giving him the strength and speed no other 5 foot midget possesses, he would never have out run the England defence in '86 to score THAT goal.

And that match also proved why the fat little turd could never be as good as Pele, with that goal he knocked in with his hand. He was a cheat. What right-minded person could ever consider a cheat as the greatest in his field? Was Ben Johnson the greatest 100-metre sprinter of all time? Was Fred Lorz the greatest marathon runner of all time? Is Charles Ingram the best ever quiz player? Were Milli Vanilli the best act ever to hit number 1? Actually, scrap the last one... The answer is NO, because they're all filthy cheats. Just like Diego.

It’s a pity such a disgraceful athlete has ever attained such a lofty position in our noble sport, to the extent where he’s held in higher esteem than Cruyff, Best, de Stefano and even Pele (by the misguided few).
South Americans, barring Argentines of course, believe Pele was better. Ask Americans who was better…most would never even heard of Diego, whereas Pele was the man that popularised the sport in North America.

Europe probably favours Diego on the whole, and I think this is largely because the white majority of Europeans can’t accept the fact a black man was better than any whitey that played the game.
Think what you like, but I’d be damned if I'm going to accept a cheating, drug abusing fatso as the greatest player the beautiful game has seen.
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that way i guess all cricketers are cheats since almost every single one has edged the ball to the keeper...been given not out..and not walked.(except this new aussie thing thats happenning) same with lbw's.
 
Re_Deus said:
I got some stick from some when I suggested this in another thread, so I thought I'd address it here.

Maradona was NOT the greatest player ever to have lived. He was talented but his physical stature was supplemented by illegal substances, in other words, he used performance enhancing drugs. He was skilful but without the steroids giving him the strength and speed no other 5 foot midget possesses, he would never have out run the England defence in '86 to score THAT goal.

And that match also proved why the fat little turd could never be as good as Pele, with that goal he knocked in with his hand. He was a cheat. What right-minded person could ever consider a cheat as the greatest in his field? Was Ben Johnson the greatest 100-metre sprinter of all time? Was Fred Lorz the greatest marathon runner of all time? Is Charles Ingram the best ever quiz player? Were Milli Vanilli the best act ever to hit number 1? Actually, scrap the last one... The answer is NO, because they're all filthy cheats. Just like Diego.

It’s a pity such a disgraceful athlete has ever attained such a lofty position in our noble sport, to the extent where he’s held in higher esteem than Cruyff, Best, de Stefano and even Pele (by the misguided few).
South Americans, barring Argentines of course, believe Pele was better. Ask Americans who was better…most would never even heard of Diego, whereas Pele was the man that popularised the sport in North America.

Europe probably favours Diego on the whole, and I think this is largely because the white majority of Europeans can’t accept the fact a black man was better than any whitey that played the game.
Think what you like, but I’d be damned if I'm going to accept a cheating, drug abusing fatso as the greatest player the beautiful game has seen.
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Brilliant post - simply brilliant. ..I have to agree, If we have any doubts in football we must consult the yanks and Beardsley and Barnes were better than Maradona. One of the finest ever posts ever written in the cafe. This should be immortalized.
 
Have to agree with your feelings if not with your verdict, although I'm inclined to agree with you even there.
A few questions though for you :
1.Does this mean we should adopt the same feck-off-attitude to Zinedine Zidane, who we are quite sure was drugged at Juve ?
2.You've been adding some really angry posts about fair play lately, Re_Deus...are you ok ? :)
 
You're on a roll.

Best player I've ever seen...of course I was young but ah. The skill.
 
Very interesting read...

The trouble is that drugs don't make you skillful.

Maradona was the most skillful player I've ever seen live.

What do you think the results would be if every sunday league player was tested this weekend?

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He never took steroids. He took cocaine, if anything it should've hindered his ability. Never will we see a player as good as him. Never. Zidane, Ronaldo, Cruyff etc etc aren't fit to lace his tiny boots.


and Hitler-lover's topics are as pathetic as they come. Inane wind up efforts, that aren't worth the bother.
 
I've got video of Maradona v England at Wembley in 1977 aged 18.

He has his back to goal and runs 30/40 yards in about 2/3 seconds beating four men in the blink of an eye...quickest thing i think i've ever seen on a football park...he was 18..yeah he might have dabbled later and was always a diego nutcase but he WAS the most talented feck ever to play footie..no doubt...
 
He loved his women, hard drugs, alcohol and gambling. What's wrong with all that? :angel:
 
why do some people care so much abt his off the field antrics..? why the feck does it matter.. judge him by how he was how the pitch.. thats how he was as a player..and the game of football will remember him so. So hes had drug problems.. who cares? its his skill thats admired...not what a good human being he was or his behavior
 
amolbhatia100 said:
why do some people care so much abt his off the field antrics..? why the feck does it matter.. judge him by how he was how the pitch.. thats how he was as a player..and the game of football will remember him so. So hes had drug problems.. who cares? its his skill thats admired...not what a good human being he was or his behavior
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Only the little Englanders, who haven't got over 86, care. Sad thing is that a footballing nation as big as England is still bothered about a world cup that happened nearly 20 years ago.
 
Even if he was on drugs, he remains the only player to have won the World Cup singlehandedly.

Pele was a great in a team of greats, and I still rate him above Maradona, but I never watched him play live...

Redeus said:
I think this is largely because the white majority of Europeans can’t accept the fact a black man was better than any whitey that played the game.
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As you're the local bigot I find this sentence quite ironic.
 
I also remember that on a few occasions, C4 showed his handballing antics in the Italian League. The ones that stick in my mind are; delberately punching a ball off his own goal line (yes, many footballers have done that - but not Pele, Eusebio, Best, Cruyff etc.) and pushing the ball into the path of one of his colleagues to score. This cheating was obviously practised carefully and regularly for him to become so adept. All Argentine footballers seem to be expert handballers now.

I think the point is: Maradona was one of the most skillful players of all time but his cheating prevents him from being the "Greatest Footballer" of all time, as that would imply something more than just skill on the ball. Hate to agree with RE_Deus and disagree with Spoony but there it is.
 
spinoza said:
Even if he was on drugs, he remains the only player to have won the World Cup singlehandedly.
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I'm getting tired of hearing people say that about Maradona, that he won this and that 'single handedly'. Excuse me, but was Maradona the sole player for Argentina? Were there not 10 other Argentine players on the field with him?
 
Re_Deus said:
I'm getting tired of hearing people say that about Maradona, that he won this and that 'single handedly'. Excuse me, but was Maradona the sole player for Argentina? Were there not 10 other Argentine players on the field with him?
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They were rather inconsequential...

1986 was the first World Cup I ever watched from beginning to end - all of Argentina's matches, but never since have I seen a team that depended so much on just one man.

My all time greats list starts with Johan Cruyff, Pele, then Maradona, but the first two played in a wonderful team with lots of other wonderful players. Maradona was on his own, basically. The rest of the Argies were pedestrian.
 
26 may 1999 said:
Very interesting read...

The trouble is that drugs don't make you skillful.
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No they don't. He was very skillful and a great dribbler, passer and shooter of the ball. His natural gifts are unquestionable, it's his UNnatural ones that taint him. He was a regular user of drugs, he was banned from the World Cup because he was found using a performance enhancing stimulant. And since tests for steroid abuse were less common in those days, Diego got away with it all the time. Until he found himself in America where they take drug-testing very seriously, especially in the wake of the Ben Johnson affair. His speed, strength and endurance were all enhanced through a variety of drugs, and therefore he could never be considered the best.
 
spinoza said:
They were rather inconsequential...

1986 was the first World Cup I ever watched from beginning to end - all of Argentina's matches, but never since have I seen a team that depended so much on just one man.

My all time greats list starts with Johan Cruyff, Pele, then Maradona, but the first two played in a wonderful team with lots of other wonderful players. Maradona was on his own, basically. The rest of the Argies were pedestrian.
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Utter bullshit.
 
Maradona was the best player ever, there is no doubt about that. That Brazilian side would probably have won the World Cup with or withour Pele, but Argentina wouldn't have got anywhere near sucessive finals without Maradona.

Get over the hand ball, his 2nd goal against England in 86 will be remember as the BEST goal ever scored.
 
spinoza said:
They were rather inconsequential...

1986 was the first World Cup I ever watched from beginning to end - all of Argentina's matches, but never since have I seen a team that depended so much on just one man.

My all time greats list starts with Johan Cruyff, Pele, then Maradona, but the first two played in a wonderful team with lots of other wonderful players. Maradona was on his own, basically. The rest of the Argies were pedestrian.
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Sorry, the other Dutch players of 1974 were "pedestrian" to use your term. Although they again reached the final in 1978, without Cruyff, everyone at the time was surprised because they hadn't looked very convincing, unlike in 1974 when Cruyff made the team look awesome.

However, Maradona was the talisman for Argentina in the same way that Cruyff had been for the Netherlands. It's a pity he had to cheat so much and also bully match officials (1990 World Cup final comes to mind strongly here) - worse even than most Arsenal players do.
 
Re_Deus said:
Utter bullshit.
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I see you have no answer to my brilliant arguments, coupled with the fact that I actually watched the games... :smirk:

In fact, in your rush to disagree with me, perhaps you've failed to see that I've not rated Maradona as greatest player ever either...

I challenge you to name one other player from the Argie team in 86 who was very good. You won't be able to.
 
green demon said:
Sorry, the other Dutch players of 1974 were "pedestrian" to use your term. Although they again reached the final in 1978, without Cruyff, everyone at the time was surprised because they hadn't looked very convincing, unlike in 1974 when Cruyff made the team look awesome.

However, Maradona was the talisman for Argentina in the same way that Cruyff had been for the Netherlands. It's a pity he had to cheat so much and also bully match officials (1990 World Cup final comes to mind strongly here) - worse even than most Arsenal players do.
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Disagree. Arie Haan was one of the top midfielders at the 1978 WC. That belter against Italy is one of the best goals by a Dutchman ever, in fact, the best till van Basten's.

Rensenbrink too - what a left winger!

Johan Neeskens - Cruyff may have invented total football, but Neeskens was the midfielder that made it work.

In 1974 they were a bit overshadowed by Cruyff's awesome talent, but in 1978 they were still bloody fantastic without the man.
 
spinoza said:
I see you have no answer to my brilliant arguments, coupled with the fact that I actually watched the games... :smirk:

In fact, in your rush to disagree with me, perhaps you've failed to see that I've not rated Maradona as greatest player ever either...

I challenge you to name one other player from the Argie team in 86 who was very good. You won't be able to.
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Valdano, Burrachega and Passerella were all very good players. I don't seem to remember Maradona being the player making the incredible goal line clearence that stopped Lineker from levelling the match. Maradona didn't even score in the final, I think it was Valdano and Burrachega who won the final for the Argies. Sure Maradona was better than them (and with all those drugs in his system, how could he not be?) but it's nonsense to say these players didn't contribute to Argentina's win.
 
Re_Deus said:
No they don't. He was very skillful and a great dribbler, passer and shooter of the ball. His natural gifts are unquestionable, it's his UNnatural ones that taint him. He was a regular user of drugs, he was banned from the World Cup because he was found using a performance enhancing stimulant. And since tests for steroid abuse were less common in those days, Diego got away with it all the time. Until he found himself in America where they take drug-testing very seriously, especially in the wake of the Ben Johnson affair. His speed, strength and endurance were all enhanced through a variety of drugs, and therefore he could never be considered the best.
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Utter crap and very bitter.

The banned substance he used, could only be have used for losing weight. He was over weight and out of condition prior to the 94 world cup. Shane Warne was banned over the same substance.

Don't stop me though, nazi-boy.
 
green demon said:
Sorry, the other Dutch players of 1974 were "pedestrian" to use your term. Although they again reached the final in 1978, without Cruyff, everyone at the time was surprised because they hadn't looked very convincing, unlike in 1974 when Cruyff made the team look awesome.

However, Maradona was the talisman for Argentina in the same way that Cruyff had been for the Netherlands. It's a pity he had to cheat so much and also bully match officials (1990 World Cup final comes to mind strongly here) - worse even than most Arsenal players do.
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That Dutch side had a few very good footballers, Argentina didn't. Sure Burruchaga was decent, but the rest were plain average. He took a very average side, to victory in 86. He even managed to win the Serie A with Napoli. A very unfashionable side. Unlike players like Pele who played in great sides, Brazil 70 the best side ever.

For everything bad about him off field. He never dived and complained when he had the crap kicked out him. He's most fouled player ever to have played the great game. Which is one of the reasons why he wasn't the same player in 1990. The amount of times he was fouled, took it's toll. And he was a pale shadow the great Maradona of 86. Still, he managed to take that crap side to the final.

Amazing player. Lucky to have seen him play.
 
Re_Deus said:
Valdano, Burrachega and Passerella were all very good players. I don't seem to remember Maradona being the player making the incredible goal line clearence that stopped Lineker from levelling the match. Maradona didn't even score in the final, I think it was Valdano and Burrachega who won the final for the Argies. Sure Maradona was better than them (and with all those drugs in his system, how could he not be?) but it's nonsense to say these players didn't contribute to Argentina's win.
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:lol:

Maradona was way above the others in terms of technique and skill - and drugs don't give you that.

Pasarella was a good player in 1978, but in 1986 his powers were waning... old age, happens to everyone.

One goal line clearance doesn't make whoever it was a great player... in fact he was so anonymous that all I remember is that his name starts with O. I'm quite sure it wasn't Valdano.

Burruchaga had one good match in 86, which happened to be the final. In fact he scored a grand total of one goal.
 
Spoony said:
He even managed to win the Serie A with Napoli. A very unfashionable side.
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That makes Trevor Francis the best footballer ever as he was the skillful lad who helped the unfashionable Nottingham Forest to two European Cups.
Spoony said:
He never dived and complained when he had the crap kicked out him.
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He often physically assaulted match officials who penalised him or his colleagues. He also regularly dived like Pires. He was far from being a saint.
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He's most fouled player ever to have played the great game.
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Pele (except in 1966), Cruyff, Best and Charlton used to be skillful enough to avoid being fouled most of the time. Maradona obviously wasn't as skillful as them? ;)
 
The Dutch team of 1974 was without any doubt the best team never to have won the World Cup. Cruyff was the jewel but every other player in the side knew his job and excelled..Oh and there have been few midfield players that equalled the brilliance of Neeskens.

Maradona...? no matter how many times he betrayed himself, his ability as a footballer cannot be denied. I doubt I will ever see anyone more skillful again.
I will agree as a total sportsman Pele stands head and shoulders above Maradona.
And no matter how much you accuse the man of drugs or whatever..the truth is there was no one in the 1986 world cup that was worthy of untying his bootlaces.
 
The Italians kicked the shit out of him. Still couldn't stop him. The players you've mentioned never had the same treatment. Italians have this mentality, of trying everythng to stop opponest. If it includesm hacking players, down then why not? Just imagine how much he'd take the piss, in the modern, non-contact game? :eek:

And please don't compare Trevor Francis, who was a good player to Maradona. That Forest side was very good, by the way. Napoli was wank bar Maradona, and probably Careca later on.

As for diving. He never. Was very fair on the pitch, bar the hand of god. Get over it lads. ;)

Simply the best ever ever.
 
Re_Deus said:
Ask Americans who was better…most would never even heard of Diego, whereas Pele was the man that popularised the sport in North America.
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:lol: Oh god I just re-read this bit and realised...

The NASL was so popular it went tits up a few years after Pele played...

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