Douglas Costa | Signed for Bayern Munich

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RedorDead21 said:
A very specific role yes but for the worlds best players that role is largely created to get the best from them. Because their best decides 80% of games.
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He's nowhere near the world's best players though and massively benefited from playing in Ronaldo's shadow. Cristiano's fantastic off the ball movement allowed Di Maria to drift into open space all the time and exploit it. As a regular winger Di Maria is nothing special at all and as an attacking midfielder he lacks intelligence and discipline. It's why no one really cared about Di Maria before those 8 months and why he was such a huge disappointment at the World Cup despite coming from a great season. His year at United didn't do much for him either.

Why do you want to get rid of him anyway if you like him so much? You should be happy that he'll play for United next season.
 
Balu said:
He's nowhere near the world's best players though and massively benefited from playing in Ronaldo's shadow. Cristiano's fantastic off the ball movement allowed Di Maria to drift into open space all the time and exploit it. As a regular winger Di Maria is nothing special at all and as an attacking midfielder he lacks intelligence and discipline. It's why no one really cared about Di Maria before those 8 months and why he was such a huge disappointment at the World Cup despite coming from a great season. His year at United didn't do much for him either.

Why do you want to get rid of him anyway if you like him so much? You should be happy that he'll play for United next season.
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I dont want rid I'm making a point. Robben when he was benched for Damien Duff for Chelsea quite often as they both fought with Joe Cole for spots backs up the assertion that players benefit from the structure made for them.
 
RedorDead21 said:
I dont want rid I'm making a point. Robben when he was benched for Damien Duff for Chelsea quite often as they both fought with Joe Cole for spots backs up the assertion that players benefit from the structure made for them.
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Robben's transformation was kinda wondrous. Very rarely do you see a player struggling for many years to fulfill his potential turn into someone who arguably even exceeds his talent and performs consistently so well all of a sudden. Robben also had his injuries holding him back, there's no such excuse for Di Maria. Anyway, wrong thread for that discussion.
 
Balu said:
Robben's transformation was kinda wondrous. Very rarely do you see a player struggling for many years to fulfill his potential turn into someone who arguably even exceeds his talent and performs consistently so well all of a sudden. Robben also had his injuries holding him back, there's no such excuse for Di Maria. Anyway, wrong thread for that discussion.
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Di Maria was voted Argentina's best player 2 seasons ago. He's world class adapting to a new league and club, To say he cannot do a Robben is just nonsence he's shown more than Robben did up until he left Chelsea.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Di Maria was voted Argentina's best player 2 seasons ago. He's world class adapting to a new league and club, To say he cannot do a Robben is just nonsence he's shown more than Robben did up until he left Chelsea.
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Robben, when fully fit, is arguably one of the 5 (or even 3) best players in the world, tearing teams apart at will. Di Maria struggled to get into your starting eleven despite being fully fit. What exactly is your point? Where does this opinion even come from?

The one thing Robben showed until he left Chelsea was that he could play like a worldbeater but couldn't stay fit for a prolonged period of time (i.e. 3 months or more, the poor sod...). This changed at Bayern where he kinda managed to get his injuries under control. Di Maria showed that he could play well under certain circumstances but he still struggled despite being fit. A fit Robben has a place in the starting 11 no matter what team he plays for. Di Maria doesn't.
 
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Piratesoup said:
Robben, when fully fit, is arguably one of the 5 (or even 3) best players in the world, tearing teams apart at will. Di Maria struggled to get into your starting eleven despite being fully fit. What exactly is your point? Where does this opinion even come from?

The one thing Robben showed until he left Chelsea was that he could play like a worldbeater but couldn't stay fit for a prolonged period of time (i.e. 3 months or more, the poor sod...). This changed at Bayern where he kinda managed to get his injuries under control. Di Maria showed that he could play well under certain circumstances but he still struggled despite being fit. A fit Robben has a place in the starting 11 no matter what team he plays for. Di Maria doesn't.
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Yeah the same Di Maria who was MOTM for Real in a CL final on the back of a great season against Robben at Chelsea who was fit and benched often. Jesus Robben is a great great player but how old is Di Maria..saying he cant come good again, replicate old form and tear teams to pieces once again is unfounded jibberish.....support your own ageing player by all means. Di Maria is a man who could for us be just as good. Simple as!
 
Balu said:
I didn't say it was. I gave you good reasons why I wouldn't want us to buy Di Maria for 70m or whatever insane number you guys paid, because he's not that special (unless you pick those 6-8months in a very specific role, which is impossible to recreate somewhere else, and make it sound like that has been his regular form over the last 5 years). I also said that I wasn't really that impressed with Costa the few times I've seen him and believe we'll overpay if we sign him for 35m, so I've no clue what you want from me.
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I have not seen enough of Costa to properly rate him but Donetsk have a knack to sell over value. That aside, I see very few scenarios where you won´t overpay quite a bit to replace either Robben or Ribery. The market is just overheated at the moment to the point where a good offensive allrounder like Firmino transfers for 40 Mil. €. Replacing the two was always going to be a difficult undertaking and it has not gotten any easier (Götze was supposed to be fill some of that void but has not archived the needed consistency to be fully trusted with that role), because there are simply only a very small number of players who can replace them without too much of a drop in quality. Even inside the Bundesliga, a place which is usually less inflated, the list of potential candidates with the necessary scoring ability is very short, like "two names on the list short" and both would cost massive amounts of money given their respective contract sitatutions. These two would still be better packages in terms of costs than Di Maria, though.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Di Maria was voted Argentina's best player 2 seasons ago. He's world class adapting to a new league and club, To say he cannot do a Robben is just nonsence he's shown more than Robben did up until he left Chelsea.
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People always have selective memory and a "what have you done lately"-attitude.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Di Maria was voted Argentina's best player 2 seasons ago. He's world class adapting to a new league and club, To say he cannot do a Robben is just nonsence he's shown more than Robben did up until he left Chelsea.
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Why is Robben even compared to Di maria? One is a world class winger and one is a midfielder. The number of goals Robben has scored at Bayern, Di Maria can only dream of matching it even if he plays as a winger. There is absolutely no comparison.
 
Balu said:
Robben's transformation was kinda wondrous
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Aye, from a selfish and an intolerable, albeit talented cnut, who was booed by his own fans, to one of the best players in the world (discounting his debut season for Bayern that is). Quite some transformation that.
 
Joga Bonito said:
to one of the best players in the world (discounting his debut season for Bayern that is).
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Why would you discount his debut season for us? He was spectacular. Still a bit too selfish for my liking, which didn't change until Heynckes 2nd season, but he scored so many decisive goals in our CL run and in the 2nd half of the season when we surpassed both Leverkusen and Schalke to win the title, that you can't hold it against him.
 
Balu said:
Why would you discount his debut season for us? He was spectacular. Still a bit too selfish for my liking, which didn't change until Heynckes 2nd season, but he scored so many decisive goals in our CL run and in the 2nd half of the season when we surpassed both Leverkusen and Schalke to win the title, that you can't hold it against him.
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More about his individual transformation rather than his performance level (which too changed for the better). You just knew the insanely frustrating and selfish version might turn up in one of the matches during that period. Never really rated him as one of the best players in the world during that period too tbh, one of the best wingers/wing-forwards on his day perhaps.
 
Joga Bonito said:
More about his individual transformation rather than his performance level (which too changed for the better). You just knew the insanely frustrating and selfish version might turn up in one of the matches during that period. Never really rated him as one of the best players in the world during that period too tbh, one of the best wingers/wing-forwards on his day perhaps.
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His selfishness was worse in 10/11 and 11/12 in my opinion. We didn't see the teamplayer Robben until the last few months of the 12/13 season. The huge step in terms of productivity was already wondrous.

I'd be very very happy if Costa makes half of that step for us.
 
Bild are giving away infos about the transfer and they're usually well informed regarding Bayern:



"Douglas for medical in Munich at the moment. He'll sign a 5 year deal tomorrow, the transfer costs 30m Euro."


"He'll sign tomorrow morning, then he'll go on holiday because he played the copa and he'll join the team in training on July 11th."
 
Balu said:
He's nowhere near the world's best players though and massively benefited from playing in Ronaldo's shadow. Cristiano's fantastic off the ball movement allowed Di Maria to drift into open space all the time and exploit it. As a regular winger Di Maria is nothing special at all and as an attacking midfielder he lacks intelligence and discipline. It's why no one really cared about Di Maria before those 8 months and why he was such a huge disappointment at the World Cup despite coming from a great season. His year at United didn't do much for him either.

Why do you want to get rid of him anyway if you like him so much? You should be happy that he'll play for United next season.
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"nothing special" "Needs Ronaldo"
 
It's fascinating how often people use a meaningless friendly as proof for Di Maria's class. I can't count how often I've read on the Caf that a game against a German B-side that didn't give a feck shows how important he would have been in the World Cup final. It's hilarious, especially if you consider his actual performance level for Argentina in 2014.
 
Balu said:
It's fascinating how often people use a meaningless friendly as proof for Di Maria's class. I can't count how often I've read on the Caf that a game against a German B-side that didn't give a feck shows how important he would have been in the World Cup final. It's hilarious, especially if you consider his actual performance level for Argentina in 2014.
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Yep. If he performed to his actual top level he'd quite possibly have tipped the balance in Argentina's favour in the final, but he was utterly atrocious up until he got injured. He wrecked their rhythm going forward.
 
Balu said:
It's fascinating how often people use a meaningless friendly as proof for Di Maria's class. I can't count how often I've read on the Caf that a game against a German B-side that didn't give a feck shows how important he would have been in the World Cup final. It's hilarious, especially if you consider his actual performance level for Argentina in 2014.
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There are a couple of players where the general assessment of the caf is completely out of touch with reality. Di Maria is certainly a good example for that.
 
Balu said:
It's fascinating how often people use a meaningless friendly as proof for Di Maria's class. I can't count how often I've read on the Caf that a game against a German B-side that didn't give a feck shows how important he would have been in the World Cup final. It's hilarious, especially if you consider his actual performance level for Argentina in 2014.
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I remember Spain got hammered by Argentina and Portugal after their World Cup win too. Clear case of the World Cup winners struggling for motivation to play in friendlies after their big win while the other nations are very hungry with everything to prove and give it their all against the world champions, even though it is only a friendly.
 


done deal. 30m, contract until 2020. Not overly excited, but still curious how good he really is and how he'll fit into the team.
 
Really looking forward to how he develops at Bayern, providing he makes the step up in his game.
 
Lets hope he stops kicking Ribery every chance he gets... the old boy is knackered enough as it is.
 
Piratesoup said:
Lets hope he stops kicking Ribery every chance he gets... the old boy is knackered enough as it is.
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Ribery has to start training again first. At this point I struggle to believe that Ribery will ever be close to his best again anyway :(.
 
Balu said:
Bild are giving away infos about the transfer and they're usually well informed regarding Bayern:



"Douglas for medical in Munich at the moment. He'll sign a 5 year deal tomorrow, the transfer costs 30m Euro."


"He'll sign tomorrow morning, then he'll go on holiday because he played the copa and he'll join the team in training on July 11th."
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Wow a massive ten day holiday, Bayern medical team going to be busy again this season.
 
Balu said:
Ribery has to start training again first. At this point I struggle to believe that Ribery will ever be close to his best again anyway :(.
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Yeah, I guess his time of stardom are over. It's been on the horizon for a while now. Just can't stay fit anymore, not only last season, but I can't see Costa filling his shoes at all. Most players couldn't, of course, but I'm unconvinced by this signing. Maybe I'm biased because I think he's a huge thundercnut.
 
Piratesoup said:
Maybe I'm biased because I think he's a huge thundercnut.
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To be fair, Ribery is as well. As much as Bayern fans love him, I fully understand when other football fans hate him.
 
Balu said:
To be fair, Ribery is as well. As much as Bayern fans love him, I fully understand when other football fans hate him.
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True enough, but Ribery never had the chance to act like a dickhead when playing against Bayern.
 
When i watched a youtube clip about Costa some of his moves reminded me a lot of Ribery.
A pity, but i agree that there is a good chance we've seen the best Ribery two years ago and he won't fully return to old strength. He is a player who relies on speed and little of that was to see in the last year even when he did play. I'm still hoping that was because he never played at full strength, confidence and pain-free, but at his age i wouldn't be amazed it was just biology.
 
This is such an interesting one. While I thought he was all hype at Gremio when we were first linked with him, I saw enough good things from him in the champions league in the next few years to think he'd be a decent signing. Now he moves to Bayern at around the fees we were last linked with him
 
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