Squeeze a few games out of him before he leaves? He's done nothing in almost all the games I have watched.
What would we hope to achieve that has not been attempted in the past? Give the opportunity to the kids.
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Squeeze a few games out of him before he leaves? He's done nothing in almost all the games I have watched.
What would we hope to achieve that has not been attempted in the past? Give the opportunity to the kids.
Guy is such a nothing player, never does ANYTHING!
Let's hope Ajax are dumb enough to take him back or let's try work him into a deal for Gakpo.
Let's hope Ajax are dumb enough to take him back or let's try work him into a deal for Gakpo.
Raise his resale value? Be certain that ETH can't him back to his former level? Make sure he's match fit in case of an injury crisis? Protect our kids and play them when we want not out of desperation? Show the rest of the squad that everyone will get a fair chance? Not exactly hard to think of reasons why we might want to get a few games in his legs rather than stick him in the reserves all season after 1 start.
There was one brief period where he was perhaps a bit unlucky. At the start of 21/22 both Fred and McTominay were in terrible form, while VDB himself was, for the only time since he's been here, showing a bit of hunger, aggression and drive to succeed. It's the only time in his two and a half seasons where I do think he perhaps should have been given a bit more of a chance.
Other than that brief period though, I completely agree. Not sure why he completely went back into his shell.
Yeah he's quite a weird case. Running around like a headless chicken. Almost always wrong place wrong time. Tbh sometime watching him my thought was maybe it'd be much better if he doesn't move at all just stand there in the middle of the pitch. Probably that would got him involved much more in the game.
Yeah he has to go. Pointless carrying on.
These comments 
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Every time he plays he reminds people why he doesn't play
.Every time he plays he reminds people why he doesn't play
These comments
Every time he plays he reminds people why he doesn't play
And it was been fairly obvious that his limitations were ill suited to the PL after about 3 games of his first season.
Same was said about Martinez after losing the first two games.
Erik ten Hag knows Donny and Donny played his best games for ten Hag. Donny didnt look that great yesterday but he just came back from injury and played with many players he hasnt played with before. Cant blame him for not playing a great game.
People wanted Martial gone before the season (and many still do) because he supposedly wasnt a good player or the other colourfull ways they used to describe Martial at that time. ETH seemed to be working towards making Martial a good player again. Lets just wait and see what he can do with a fit Donny.
He always floats around like a second referee.
McT has done more in one game this season than Donny in his whole time here.
I recall people giving McT horrendous abuse for that Chelsea game last season, yet even in that he had 41 touches.
Donny had 13 touches in an hour, that's embarrassing.
He has hit rock bottom, yet still people still find a way to back him up whilst simultaneously sticking the knife into McT.
This place is really really baffling me at the moment.
Unbelievable. When any fair assessment of the strengths of McTominay are amassed there isn't one aspect of his game United could do without. Is he?
A great defender? No
A great reader of play? No
A great passer? No
A great dribbler? No
A great header of the ball either in defense or in attack? No
A creator? No
A destroyer? No (unless one means a destroyer of our own attacks)
A leader? No
Would McTominay get anywhere near the squads of Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool or even Newcastle? Emphatically, no. (No need to ask about City, of course, but that could be said about most of our players). Would McTominay start for Fulham or Brighton? Not likely.
Fred is an interesting case. He does have incredible athletic range, by which I mean he can brilliantly press and dispossess in the middle third (but you don't want him defending in his own third), but his passing is shockingly poor, he can't dribble past an opponent and he's definitely not a midfielder one can rely on to create scoring chances. Yet Fred does have something about him that makes him a useful asset for a club like United which is undergoing the transition from the bottom of the Top Six Club to hopefully a PL contender next season.
Anyone who wants to beat up Donny for his performances with United has a case, but it's also undeniable that he's been given so few chances that he's never had a chance to develop any kind of rhythm. You can't expect someone who gets one start every other month, or is brought on in the 85th minute once every two weeks, to make any kind of high impact.
This stands in stark contrast to Fred and McTominay, who have been given more than plenty of chances to demonstrate their footballing prowess at this level and they have been consistently shocking. When Fred and McTominay get 5-10 straight starts and still perform poorly and continue to get starts (which, mercifully, has ended with the recent acquisitions of Eriksen and Casemiro), they have to be held to a higher standard than a player who gets one start and performs poorly. Casemiro didn't look all that great for us in his first two starts for United, but ETH stuck with him and here we are now. Donny of course is no Casemiro but the point is you you can't judge a player on the back of one start every few months or being subbed on in the 85th minute once a month.
I have no problem with selling Donny, but if we're going to sell Donny but keep Fred and McTominay -- for footballing reasons, as it's pretty clearly the case there isn't much demand for Fred and McTominay -- questions would appropriately be asked.
Brilliantly made point
People seem almost desperate for him to fail. Let’s see how he does with a manger that is building towards the style of play we know he can perform in. We need depth and we need players who can retain possession, I think he’ll slowly start to get more minutes and be a useful player this season assuming he stays fit.
Me too. Somehow he just seems lost on the pitch, nice little passes in triangles, good control, picks up decent positions, but doesn't appear to influence the game as a whole.
I would love him to find the right position to play in, but not sure that position would be in United's team.
To me he seems more attuned to a forward position, but he wouldn't displace any of our front three at the moment, perhaps he will get another chance or two, but to be honest I'm getting to the stage where Iqbal, Shoretire or even Savage playing would be more beneficial to the club than Donny.
I was being harsh on him. No pre-season and the expectation is he'd slot in right away. Casemiro took several games before he even looked better than McTom.
Maybe needs another 3-4 games before he's up to the standard of a manager who had managed him before.
Maybe needs another 3-4 games before he's up to the standard of a manager who had managed him before.
They really wouldn't.
You're shouting at clouds and appear to be viewing football and United through slightly rose tinted glasses here.
As things stand right now McT is a very useful squad option, Donny however isn't.
That's not a controversial opinion, that's just reality.
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Cleverley or Scott
Looks a pass it back to the guy who passed it to him merchant for us.
Can that change? Possibly. But hard to see it when you have a very clear Eriksen/Casemiro/Bruno triple as the main line-up, with McFred doing the agricultural stuff at the right times.
Can that change? Possibly. But hard to see it when you have a very clear Eriksen/Casemiro/Bruno triple as the main line-up, with McFred doing the agricultural stuff at the right times.
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I think when Ajax replace Klaassen next season they'll go for Donny.
Donny should get on the phone with his agent and start setting up the campaign now. Once the media has locked in on a move, Ajax have shown themselves to pony up the money (like they did with Bergwijn for example).
The takeaway from this saga is that we need to overhaul our physio/fitness/medical department. He keeps getting injured sitting on the bench FFS.
Unfortunately looks like Donny is following in Mkhitaryan' footsteps. Good potential, technical, classy but not suited for PL. Ole tried, Rangnick tried, Everton tried and now ETH. It's so sad but he has to go.
Lets apply those same parameters to Donny.
A great defender? No
A great reader of play? He does make decent attacking runs at times when around the box but constantly drifts out of games otherwise into positions he can't get the ball. McT rightly gets criticized for this, Donny gets excuses.
A great passer? Not at all, extremely limited passing range, good at short simple one touch stuff but little else.
A great dribbler? No
A great header of the ball either in defense or in attack? No
A creator? He might be less directly creative than either of Fred or McT though you could argue that his interplay could possibly aid team creativity
A destroyer? No (unless one means a destroyer of the fantasies some have built around him)
A leader? The strongest no, people have made stronger arguments on here for him than he has ever for himself on the pitch.
There are lots of players who are better, more technically able than McT or Fred, but the game has never just been about that.
The point he made is that Fred and Scott have had plenty of chances and donny really hasn't
Because he has been almost entirely ineffectual in every min he has played for Utd, and yes Fred and Mct have been far better, as poor as they have been at times.
So then you have to ask yourself why he isn't getting the chances over Fred or McT?
It's been multiple managers now, and still the same story.
Nice job, but you do acknowledge here that Donny can pass the ball and that he create something in the last third.
News Flash: we are desperately in need of a player who can create something in the last third. Bruno should be that player, but he is ineffective against parked buses, which we face all the time in the PL.
We should never have spent £40 on a player the manager did not want, plus whatever £40m plus or minus on Diallo and Pellistri, the total of which could have brought in Grealish and would have saved us another roughly £75m we spent on Sancho (the jury is out, but the jury is very concerned), so it’s undeniable club management panicked and got it wrong, but no one can argue that Donny has gotten as many chances as Fred and McTominay and no can argue that either Fred or McTominay are more gifted than Donny, who is clearly the superior passer of the ball anywhere on the pitch and is clearly the superior creator of chances in the final third.
You’re right, it’s not just about technical ability. It’s also about football intelligence, qualities that Fred and McTominay are not known to have in abundance. I’ll grant you that Fred and McTominay have heart, but we’re no longer in the 1980s, when blood-and-sand football gets you three points. Today’s footballers at the top level have to be technically skilled and intelligent. It’s pretty clear who passes those tests and who don’t.
You massively overrate Van De Beek.
He's shown absolutely nothing at Utd.
Mctominay and Fred both have been more of a goal threat than him and neither of them are very good going forward.
Are you just basing this on him at Ajax? Because since he's been at Utd I can barely remember him making any good passes or creating any chances whatsoever. He just drifts through games invisible before inevitably being subbed off early.
He probably has until the end of the season to save his Utd career and who knows? Dalot looked terrible all his Utd career and ETH has turned his career around so it's possible. But up until now Van de Beek has been an awful signing.
He isn't that kind of player. His passing game is basically quick little give and goes and moves to quickly progress the ball. He's not the type to thread the ball through the lines to create chances.
You could argue that he'd perhaps be better playing deeper if so, but when he does get time on the ball when deeper he's hesitant and it's not his natural game to see the play and pick the long pass as Eriksen would.
I think he'd be a better fit in a more possession-based side than what United are currently, but even there he wouldn't be the star of that show and just one of many cogs in a well-oiled machine.
Article in The Athetic quoting ETH, saying that he isnt going to wrote donny off and knows he can do much better. Dalot's revival has shown we can write a player off too early. Get donny back to Ajax form and we'd have a useful squad player who brings something different to table.
If ETH manages to do that I'll be glad, just watched a YouTube video of Donny at Ajax and he was a totally different footballer, he seem to have lost all confidence in his ability. He actually took people on, held the ball under pressure. Looked quite sharp. Same can be said of Sancho they're both the type to go under their shell during adversity, building back their confidence would take some doing especially with Donny but let's see.
I’d start him today in Bruno’s absence.
He's possibly the most pointless player I've ever seen at United. He does nothing. He's like a bowl of plain soggy pasta. At least with Bebe and Djemba Djemba you could laugh at the shitness, but here it's just...emptiness
Now that is what is called Optimism!
Both players need confidence building up which requires 75-80mins for a run of consecutive games i.e. 6-10. Only way to get donny back to Ajax player is to start him whenever bruno is out or needs a rest.
He needs to take responsibility though stop being so passive, actively seek the ball, press like a maniac off it. Once he gets one or two things right it will give him that dopamine boost same goes to Sancho f****** attempt to take on your man, if it doesn't work first time f****** try again.
Donny did that against Watford last season, got a goal but somehow decided not to do so again, I find that weird.
I saw a lot more from Mkhi at United and Arsenal than I've seen from Donny.
Would Donny even be among the best players in Bundesliga like Mkhitaryan was?
Sancho's technical gifts are a lot more evident than whatever Donnie used to ever bring even at Ajax.
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I suspect that he has been told by Murtough to improve Donnie and not waste that investment.
Make all the excuses you want the sad truth is that he's just not good enough. It's been 4 different managers at United and one at probably the shittiest Everton in the last 20 years who all agreed he's not good enough to get some minutes here and there nevermind starting.
He'll be moved in the summer.
He'll be moved in the summer.
Seems to have that McTominay ability of always being in a position that makes him unavailable for a pass
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