Donald Trump - GUILTY!

No way he doesn't violate his gag order by this time tomorrow. The Stormy testimony is hilarious.

Yikes!

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"Hey, Melania, I fecked a pornstar without a condom and I think she looks like my daughter. But you still love me, yeah?"

So much for any iota of popular sympathy if she doesn't call a divorce to save at least some face after this.
 
Yikes!

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"Hey, Melania, I fecked a pornstar without a condom and I think she looks like my daughter. But you still love me, yeah?"

So much for any iota of popular sympathy if she doesn't call a divorce to save at least some face after this.
I know what nightmares I'm going to have tonight.
 
Was she forced in to have with him? Did he promise her something in return?
 
Was she forced in to have with him? Did he promise her something in return?
That's irrelevant either way, the case is not about what she did or didn't do, or even whether he shagged her or not.
 
That's irrelevant either way, the case is not about what she did or didn't do, or even whether he shagged her or not.

Yeah I had a lawyer friend tell me the prosecution did a terrible job because it sounded like they were focused on if he cheated on his wife or not which is not what the case is about.
 


While this tweet comes across as extremely condescending, I do wonder how much this sort of thing actually moves the needle for the average person who doesn't really follow these stories

This is what you're risking in November.



For those more in the know than myself, what do you all think could really happen? I know January 6th was insane, but I still find it difficult to fathom that there could be more larger scale uprisings within the country if trump loses
 
Yeah I had a lawyer friend tell me the prosecution did a terrible job because it sounded like they were focused on if he cheated on his wife or not which is not what the case is about.

Establishing that he is a lying cheating piece of shit is their job. I'd have thought that it makes crimes he is on trial far more convincing - everyone has no doubt it happened, yet they keep idiotically denying it. And he won't take the stand. Made easier by a defence who weren't even competent enough to object to much of the salacious detail for relevance.
 
While this tweet comes across as extremely condescending, I do wonder how much this sort of thing actually moves the needle for the average person who doesn't really follow these stories



For those more in the know than myself, what do you all think could really happen? I know January 6th was insane, but I still find it difficult to fathom that there could be more larger scale uprisings within the country if trump loses

I am not more in the know than you but after the outcome of Jan 6, no one would dare to do shit

more than 1000 people charged, more than 500 people with prison sentences
 
I am not more in the know than you but after the outcome of Jan 6, no one would dare to do shit

more than 1000 people charged, more than 500 people with prison sentences

The problem is that it will never be enough unless and until politicians who have been involved in this are severely punished with jail time of their own.

Trump, Greene (someone has to know something about her involvement with the pipe bombs on January 5), Boebert, Gosar, Brooks, Cawthorn and Gohmert should be judged and then likely jailed because of their direct involvement in this. Until politicians are severely punished and made examples of for January 6, you can never be sure to crush the movement itself.
 
Establishing that he is a lying cheating piece of shit is their job. I'd have thought that it makes crimes he is on trial far more convincing - everyone has no doubt it happened, yet they keep idiotically denying it. And he won't take the stand. Made easier by a defence who weren't even competent enough to object to much of the salacious detail for relevance.

I don't think it does at all actually from what I hear from lawyer friends. Judges constantly remind juries that they can only take into account defendants actions on the very specific crime being charged. Juries are usually instructed that previous crimes cannot be used to judge whether the crime on trial was committed or not and to outright ignore some things a prosecutor will bring up in comments. I think the American legal definitely over corrects on this one because in many trials you can't even mention previous crimes or actions that would fall under the bolded, but as it stands, I don't think that stuff makes anything more convincing because of jury instructions and how the American legal system is designed. It comes off as putting Trump on trial for cheating on his wife, not the actual financial crimes.
 
I don't think it does at all actually from what I hear from lawyer friends. Judges constantly remind juries that they can only take into account defendants actions on the very specific crime being charged. Juries are usually instructed that previous crimes cannot be used to judge whether the crime on trial was committed or not and to outright ignore some things a prosecutor will bring up in comments. I think the American legal definitely over corrects on this one because in many trials you can't even mention previous crimes or actions that would fall under the bolded, but as it stands, I don't think that stuff makes anything more convincing because of jury instructions and how the American legal system is designed. It comes off as putting Trump on trial for cheating on his wife, not the actual financial crimes.
What previous crimes have come up?
 
The problem is that it will never be enough unless and until politicians who have been involved in this are severely punished with jail time of their own.

Trump, Greene (someone has to know something about her involvement with the pipe bombs on January 5), Boebert, Gosar, Brooks, Cawthorn and Gohmert should be judged and then likely jailed because of their direct involvement in this. Until politicians are severely punished and made examples of for January 6, you can never be sure to crush the movement itself.

I agree. While there is this type of people and its rhetoric, it will always be this shadow looming. But or they do significant changes like the infamous 2025 (that i dont think is so easy to implement) and things happen WHILE they are in power so magaloons knows they are safe or nothing will happen. And there is no reason for the magaloons to do anything while trump is in power

If trump loses in november (that is what we were discussing), there will be nothing, because there is no agenda 2025 implemented, there is no trump in power to help them and as stupis as they are, they are not as stupid to risk jail. January 6th was made as an example for that reason
 
I don't think it does at all actually from what I hear from lawyer friends. Judges constantly remind juries that they can only take into account defendants actions on the very specific crime being charged. Juries are usually instructed that previous crimes cannot be used to judge whether the crime on trial was committed or not and to outright ignore some things a prosecutor will bring up in comments. I think the American legal definitely over corrects on this one because in many trials you can't even mention previous crimes or actions that would fall under the bolded, but as it stands, I don't think that stuff makes anything more convincing because of jury instructions and how the American legal system is designed. It comes off as putting Trump on trial for cheating on his wife, not the actual financial crimes.
If you watch the Meidas Touch / Legal AF podcast, Karen Friedman-Agnifilo takes a decidedly different view. She was the #2 prosecutor in the Manhattan DA's office, by way of her bonafides. She says the Trump team's position that none of it happened and that it was all fabricated will prove to be a disastrous gambit. Daniels' testimony was so rich with detail that there is no way the jury won't believe her, and that's all they (prosecution) needed to do. If Trump's team had an iota of smarts, they would have said the meeting took place but that he never stripped down and Daniels left without sex. Denying it in its totality just makes it look worse for Trump in every respect.

Here's one example of the show: .
 
Establishing that he is a lying cheating piece of shit is their job. I'd have thought that it makes crimes he is on trial far more convincing - everyone has no doubt it happened, yet they keep idiotically denying it. And he won't take the stand. Made easier by a defence who weren't even competent enough to object to much of the salacious detail for relevance.
Exactly. Establishing the character of the defendant is the easiest way to walk a jury through the evidence and get to the verdict you are looking for. If credible witnesses and evidence is showing me a person is a fraud, and a liar and a cheat. That is where the prosecution wants the jury to logically follow.

If there was on the other hand a ton of evidence and character witnesses saying the guy was a loving father a dedicated husband. Gave to charities (instead of stealing from them as we know), whatever it makes the defenses job easier that this is the type of person that would never do these crimes.
 
If you watch the Meidas Touch / Legal AF podcast, Karen Friedman-Agnifilo takes a decidedly different view. She was the #2 prosecutor in the Manhattan DA's office, by way of her bonafides. She says the Trump team's position that none of it happened and that it was all fabricated will prove to be a disastrous gambit. Daniels' testimony was so rich with detail that there is no way the jury won't believe her, and that's all they (prosecution) needed to do. If Trump's team had an iota of smarts, they would have said the meeting took place but that he never stripped down and Daniels left without sex. Denying it in its totality just makes it look worse for Trump in every respect.

Here's one example of the show: .


I dont know how meeting alone with a pornstar and say that there was no sex would be believable at all by the jury, to be honest
 
I dont know how meeting alone with a pornstar and say that there was no sex would be believable at all by the jury, to be honest
Knowing trump he probably bragged about it to a million people.
 
Why bring it up in a discussion about a specific trial?

Because the general principle still applies.
If you watch the Meidas Touch / Legal AF podcast, Karen Friedman-Agnifilo takes a decidedly different view. She was the #2 prosecutor in the Manhattan DA's office, by way of her bonafides. She says the Trump team's position that none of it happened and that it was all fabricated will prove to be a disastrous gambit. Daniels' testimony was so rich with detail that there is no way the jury won't believe her, and that's all they (prosecution) needed to do. If Trump's team had an iota of smarts, they would have said the meeting took place but that he never stripped down and Daniels left without sex. Denying it in its totality just makes it look worse for Trump in every respect.

Here's one example of the show: .



Maybe. We'll see. I personally don't have expectation of this leading to much but there's always hope I guess. I am cynical about all these court cases in general.