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Donald Trump - All things impeachment.... | Acquitted in the Senate
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Scary thing is these are the same people that would tell you in full belief, "I'd never get caught up in one of those Jonestown/Waco cults."
Weren't 538 the site telling everyone that a Hillary win was not so obvious/great odds?
I was making a joke at Maticmaker’s expense since that’s literally the only thing he insists on in this thread
I think they converged to 70% chance for Herr.
I think you’re being too optimistic here. If anything, the republicans have shown that there are no lengths they won’t go to in order to keep Trump happy.
Ya but they also said that the distance between Trump and Hillary was within the margin of error in battleground polling, which other sites disregarded.
Locker room talk
Fair enough. Well if that's the case, they will deserve everything they get.
Don't even think about it....
If his presidency has taught me one thing it's that the public has absolutely no memory. People will call him out one moment, then regurgitate even the most ridiculous White House talking points come next news cycle. "Critical mass" will never be reached, because the scales are wiped every week. And even if it somehow were, how would people actually get rid of him? After the current impeachment gets shot down in record time people will be loath to try again.
The Dems obviously have to win the next election or take over the House and Senate. But if he commits another high crime or misdemeanour, they are duty bound by the constitution to go through the process again. Otherwise they may as well just do away with Congress and just install a dictatorship instead.
Either way, the Republicans have now set a dangerous precedent going forward and it will be interesting to see how they react when the shoe is on the other foot. But like you say, Americans do have a short memory and are pretty dumb.
Yeah that pretty much sums it up. If Trump goes a week without insulting someone or doing something insanely stupid he is lauded as being presidential.
The guy is a fecking moron and as disgusting as anybody on earth but he was right about Washington being a swamp with the likes of the Clinton’s and Bush’s being corrupt as feck and basically being mouthpieces for Wall St and the MIC but now he has settled right into the same swamp but making it even more corrupt.
I won't, been threatened with 'tar and feathering' already, my lips are sealed only my eyes tell the story!Don't even think about it....
Good man.I won't, been threatened with 'tar and feathering' already, my lips are sealed only my eyes tell the story!
Not sure where you are getting your data but by all accounts jobs are less secure and offer less benefits than in 1970.
Here is an article from the 1990s where the jobs were more stable than the gig economy of 2020:
"Although there has been little change in the average number of hours worked each week since the mid-1970s, the proportion of persons working verylong workweeks has risen, and there has beena growing trend toward year-round work among women "
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/1997/04/art1full.pdf
Purchasing remains stagnant yet our costs of living are rising:
Rising cost of health in constant 2018 dollars:
"In dollar terms, out-of-pocket expenditures have grown steadily since 1970, averaging $1,150 per capita in 2018, up from $119 per capita in 1970 ($613 in 2018 dollars). Out-of-pocket medical costs do not include the amount individuals contribute towards health insurance premiums. "
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...r-capita-out-of-pocket-expenditures-1970-2018
Cost of College is rising: "Price Of College Increasing Almost 8 Times Faster Than Wages"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/camilo...lmost-8-times-faster-than-wages/#39ddd6e066c1
The cost of owning a home is rising: "The cost of buying a home is rising three times faster than the cost to rent "
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...times-faster-than-the-cost-to-rent-2018-09-01
So taking all that into account, the lot of the average American worker is much worse in 2020 than 1970 (although for the top 10% its definitely better)
Now related to caring and keeping up with the arcane parliamentary proceedings of Impeachment, you must keep in mind is the speed of information these days and all the competition for attention. It was far easier in 1970 for the average person to devote a few moments to read some newspaper articles on impeachment and keep up on the nightly news. Now there is no water cooler culture and only a tiny percentage of people listen to the news and even then most just get it from one biased side (MSNBC/CNN for establishment Dems and Fox for establishment conservatives. Now we have Facebook, Instagram and dozens of smaller social networks competng for attention. In 1970 the family would have one television and extremely limited home entertainment options from the "Big Three Networks (CBS, ABC, NBC) whereas now every kid has smartphones and dozens of services to compete for attention. Cord cutting is popular and rising now so many don't even have normal television news these days, they simply use streaming services.
"Just 37 percent of Americans got news “often” from local TV last year, down ... news consumers, with fewer and fewer young people watching "
https://www.vox.com/2018/1/7/16856574/tv-news-ratings-audience-donald-trump-pew-research
And thats not even getting into how the Democrat narrative simply isn't compelling: start around 50-55 minute for a good explanation on how uncompelling the Dem narrative on impeachment comes across to average Americans:
https://shootthedancingbear.libsyn.com/and-iraniran-so-far-awaaayy
Again, complete bollocks. You can get the latest news summarized in your hand via your phone in seconds, whereas in the past you had to rely on once daily newspapers and perhaps a nightly news show.
There is zero reason for anyone who wants to to not be able to stay up to date with events, practically in real time. Any shite about people working too hard now is fecking laughable. People just don’t want to be interested in politics these days, and would rather care about stupid shit with Kardashians and reality TV than the stuff that actually matters to their lives.
I have no idea why you felt the need to explain that working people have it tougher now btw, I’m a socialist and a big Bernie fan, this stuff isn’t news to me.
I don’t know if I already replied to you but it’s not really about the ability to obtain news, but rather people having the interest in news. Most people I know in my age group here barely keep up with the news. Or they may come across headlines but don’t dive deep into it. And some of the older people like my parents already have their minds made up that this impeachment stuff is fabricated without even considering one piece of evidence put forth.
Yes. And the one who predicted Obama to win easily, while many were thinking that Romney has a good chance.
No poll is flawless, but they are easily the best when it comes to polling.
Firstly, apologies for sounding snappy earlier, was having a crap morning. Secondly I agree with you 100%. It was whoever I originally replied to that was talking about people being too busy to follow impeachment proceedings, and that just irritates me considering how much easier it is now than it ever was in the past.
He’s not wrong that people are too busy, at least in the sense that’s how they feel. It may not be a good excuse considering how streamlined news is as you pointed out but it’s not uncommon to hear that as a reason. Again, I base this off of what I hear personally.
Sure people claim that stuff all the time. But then have plenty of time for consuming other forms of media/entertainment.
Because people default to basic stuff that makes them feel good. We’re pretty spoiled here and take our democracy for granted, always expecting someone else to take care of the problem for us. It’s reflected in what has been typically expected of our reps and presidents, and they don’t even believe they have the power to effect change. Hopefully what Bernie is doing is changing that mindset.
I don't understand why republican senators are so afraid of ditching Trump, I mean what are their voters gonna do? Vote democrat? They'd have to vote for republican candidates either way.
It's not like Trump would create a new party, he doesn't give a shit about politics.
It's not like Trump would create a new party, he doesn't give a shit about politics.
Because Trump controls the voter base - so all he would do is replace any defectors with his own loyalists.
They would lose a primary.
All Trump proves is that mankind has in fact not evolved morally in the last 65 million years and to think there will never be another full scale war, because we have learned from the past is naive as feck. We will still turn in to an angry, pitchfork wielding mob when some rich cnut scream witch!! From atop his ivory tower. We've just substituted the word witch for Immigrant/Muslim/Climate alarmist.
If there is a God, he's sent the Corono virus to wipe us out.
If there is a God, he's sent the Corono virus to wipe us out.
So you guys think that if Trump was removed as president, with all the legal stuff he's involved in in civil courts, he'd still be involved in politics to the point he would try to influence primaries? I don't see it.
Yes. Not only that, it would kill turn out for Republicans in a presidential election.
He wont be removed and Republican politicians know it, so they aren't in any way incentivized to move against him given the consequences.
I think Republicans are in as much of a danger as the rest of the world if Trump gets a second term without the bother of keeping up appearances and relationships for another election.
Fair enough. I always get the impression republicans make Trump more powerful than he actually his. I think most of his followers just need a hero to follow, they would in a very short time be following some other republican the party would put forward. Maybe they would lose an election or two but they'd be back on their feet in no time with the sympathy they would get from centrists and moderates.
The funny thing is Trumpers are vehemently anti-538/Nate to this day even though they were giving Donald the best odds in respectable media at around 1 in 3.
Because, you know, they're the best at maths...
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I read an interesting take on this earlier.
Basically Bolton absolutely despises Trump and would have been willing to comply with a House subpoena but knew Trump would claim EP so instead said he refused the House subpoena and said that he would accept a Senate subpoena which could have bypassed the courts and been signed off directly by CJ-Roberts. But he also knew that McConnell and co wouldn’t do the process to make that happen and by slim chance, if they did it would have been a closed session, classified and still subject to White House lawyers claiming EP on certain topics.
So what Bolton has actually done is submit his book draft to the NSC and White House for review of classified and privileged material. Then leaked all of this at the most damaging possible time, while the White House lawyers are arguing exactly the opposite of what Bolton is confirming and corroborating. He’s essentially just destroyed their arguments.
Im sceptical if that’s the exact reasons, it would have taken real foresight of the whole process, I think it’s more to do with maximising impact for book sales but its been timed for maximum damage for Trump regardless.
Trump also pretty much copied Obama's tribute Tweet to Kobe Bryant's family word for word. His supporters are all claiming Obama copied Trump's who had posted his first, despite Trump's being 2 hours after AND Obama's receiving over 1.2 million likes by that time.
Call me cynical but this will have been entirely intentional. With Bolton’s leaks dropping, they want the media distracted by this instead.
He's such a fecking moron. Bolton could cost him his presidency, so instead of treading carefully he decides to try and demean Bolton further with this 'very public termination' shit. He really is a stupid, vainglorious bully.
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