This post made me laugh for a lot of reasons, but the addition of two non-united players took the cake.
Does United have a disproportionate amount of players with "attitude"?
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We are paying top-tier wages for players who aren't top tier. How many of our squad would walk into the City, Arsenal or Liverpool sides? You can bet we are paying them more as well.
I think another problem for us is the popularity of our club. Players who get easily distracted by off-field activities will probably let it get to their head easily that their wages just doubled or tripled, and that the same probably happens to their social media followers. At least with some of these players it seemed that their main interest, after joining us, was building up their own "brand".
Absolutely agree. Unfortunately, because the club is run by accountants I think this is what they also want. They'd much rather have a Lingard with millions of followers but a shit attitude than a James Milner.
Another small part of why we are so broken.
There's definitely an underlying mentality issue and Ten Hag is trying to fix that but it starts from the top.
I remember the days when Bayern Munich were nicknamed FC Hollywood because of all their off-pitch drama.
That is now us.
That is now us.
I didn't see this thread until I posted something similar in the EtH thread 
. I will say EtH has a LOT more goodwill with the fans than Jose or Ralf had so, as of now at any rate, there's only going to be one winner in a fight between a player and the manager.
. I will say EtH has a LOT more goodwill with the fans than Jose or Ralf had so, as of now at any rate, there's only going to be one winner in a fight between a player and the manager.I think this is just confirmation bias. We're focused on news about United players (as are the media) so we maybe don't see/hear about attitude problems from players at other clubs as much.
Our management probably holds the same view as you and that's why our team has been so poorly built.
whenever there are online discussions or "debates" (esp. political ones) the guy who is actually the tool one who can't come up with arguments would usually resort to "hahaha, your comments are stupid that I won't need to reply" to hide the fact that he can't come up with rational arguments to refute the other side
btw, Bailly didn't leave Man Utd until AFTER my post so probably you should be "laughing at yourself"?
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Upon reflection, that was an unnecessary snarky response I posted. Sorry.Our management probably holds the same view as you and that's why our team has been so poorly built.
whenever there are online discussions or "debates" (esp. political ones) the guy who is actually the tool one who can't come up with arguments would usually resort to "hahaha, your comments are stupid that I won't need to reply" to hide the fact that he can't come up with rational arguments to refute the other side
btw, Bailly didn't leave Man Utd until AFTER my post so probably you should be "laughing at yourself"?
Without the trophies.
We don't have enough players willing to show guts and fighting spirit in adversity. Maybe if they can't cope with setbacks then try and stop going behind in the first place
Crisis? What Crisis?
In order for a crisis to be felt, the players and clubs must knew we're not doing well. The past 10 years they have thought they're performing well.
Statistically we're 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 5th, with a sprinkle of cup wins.
That's as good as most of our players thought they can be, truth be told not many of them have tasted what success looks like and for them our situations is already good enough, they deserve their 300k pay check. How dare the fans demands more. I don't even think we have a player now who has tasted what it was to challenge for the title, let alone winning one (Casemiro aside)
In order for a crisis to be felt, the players and clubs must knew we're not doing well. The past 10 years they have thought they're performing well.
Statistically we're 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 5th, with a sprinkle of cup wins.
That's as good as most of our players thought they can be, truth be told not many of them have tasted what success looks like and for them our situations is already good enough, they deserve their 300k pay check. How dare the fans demands more. I don't even think we have a player now who has tasted what it was to challenge for the title, let alone winning one (Casemiro aside)
I think there is a giant issue with attitude.. when i look at the last match against Brighton, i se 2 things that makes Man Utd fail (in my opinion).
First is the ego.. Rashford is a REALLY good example on this, he lives on having saved Man Utd in certain games last season, and is strong with the ball, but in so many situations there is a better solution than what he does, which is just dribble and shoot, Passing seems to be out of his vocabulary, and is only a last resort, like the cancelled goal by Rasmus, where he passes when he hits that backline, because now he is in a LAST resort situation, there is only this option, that is also why in a few of the "deliveries" from him, Rasmus is "IN the goal" because he has been in position running towards the goal, while Rashford still keeps "playing" and he had SO many shots.
The same with Bruno, i think he is a giant failure, and has always been, of course you will score at times, when you ALWAYS try to go for it, also the ball stops at him ALWAYS, needs just an extra touch, i know i am danish, so of course i follow Eriksen, who everyone seems to hate, but he is a team player, but it just does not work, when the ball is not moving between players. He also played high, but had to fall down, because McT just went too high, that is where Eriksen fails, he still has some pace, and runs into position, but is not passe too, he will put it in in front of goal, his time at Tottenham + Ajax and the Danish national team has showed that. it also shows if you play with him as the center in attacking you get 18 goals pr 19 games, now our new national team coach DOES not play him like that
I also think Onana is a BIG dissapointment, i feel De Gea, saved us last season.. his reaction on the line is SO much better than Onana, i get that he is bad with his feet.
ETH is playing a SYSTEM too much, and is not really able to see what he has...
Martinez although he has speed, also failed, and Casemiro is over it, he was not at all there... he was a last year savior, again needed to play CM with a defensive attitude, but walks too much forward, so Christian needs to defend low, which is the thing that he should never do.
The team needs discipline, a LOT of it. to be honest, there is a class team in it, i think it is good Anthony is out, that "poor" version of a Robben, that also is a one trick pony going in and finishing, there is just SO many balls that are just wasted on not playing as a team.
I would play
Højlund
Rashford Eriksen Bruno (yeah bruno on the side)
Casemiro Fred
Then defense they are f... ed
So i guess they have to play what they have.
and i would RIP that captains armband of Bruno´s shoulders, with his attitude, he just seems like a big child most of the time, he just annoys me, but i NEED a captain, and i have a HARD time finding one, maybe nudge it towards Casemiro, but to be honest, with his downward curve..
But there is just one thing that annoys me, this constant thing about players having either SHIT background, or reacted like spoiled Kids, i am talking the Greenwood, Anthony thing, WHY do they not examine these things, and why is there NOT enough discipline to ensure this does not happen. there is something fundamentally wrong with mentality. I do however think that last year was Man Utd on an upwards trend, YES it is not "title" they are hunting, but they were top 4..
And Chelsea made a BIG mistake, firering Tuchel, i think throwing ETH out would be the same, you have to let him build.. although i do think Tottenham made a WAY more throught through coach choice than Man Utd.
First is the ego.. Rashford is a REALLY good example on this, he lives on having saved Man Utd in certain games last season, and is strong with the ball, but in so many situations there is a better solution than what he does, which is just dribble and shoot, Passing seems to be out of his vocabulary, and is only a last resort, like the cancelled goal by Rasmus, where he passes when he hits that backline, because now he is in a LAST resort situation, there is only this option, that is also why in a few of the "deliveries" from him, Rasmus is "IN the goal" because he has been in position running towards the goal, while Rashford still keeps "playing" and he had SO many shots.
The same with Bruno, i think he is a giant failure, and has always been, of course you will score at times, when you ALWAYS try to go for it, also the ball stops at him ALWAYS, needs just an extra touch, i know i am danish, so of course i follow Eriksen, who everyone seems to hate, but he is a team player, but it just does not work, when the ball is not moving between players. He also played high, but had to fall down, because McT just went too high, that is where Eriksen fails, he still has some pace, and runs into position, but is not passe too, he will put it in in front of goal, his time at Tottenham + Ajax and the Danish national team has showed that. it also shows if you play with him as the center in attacking you get 18 goals pr 19 games, now our new national team coach DOES not play him like that
I also think Onana is a BIG dissapointment, i feel De Gea, saved us last season.. his reaction on the line is SO much better than Onana, i get that he is bad with his feet.
ETH is playing a SYSTEM too much, and is not really able to see what he has...
Martinez although he has speed, also failed, and Casemiro is over it, he was not at all there... he was a last year savior, again needed to play CM with a defensive attitude, but walks too much forward, so Christian needs to defend low, which is the thing that he should never do.
The team needs discipline, a LOT of it. to be honest, there is a class team in it, i think it is good Anthony is out, that "poor" version of a Robben, that also is a one trick pony going in and finishing, there is just SO many balls that are just wasted on not playing as a team.
I would play
Højlund
Rashford Eriksen Bruno (yeah bruno on the side)
Casemiro Fred
Then defense they are f... ed
So i guess they have to play what they have.
and i would RIP that captains armband of Bruno´s shoulders, with his attitude, he just seems like a big child most of the time, he just annoys me, but i NEED a captain, and i have a HARD time finding one, maybe nudge it towards Casemiro, but to be honest, with his downward curve..
But there is just one thing that annoys me, this constant thing about players having either SHIT background, or reacted like spoiled Kids, i am talking the Greenwood, Anthony thing, WHY do they not examine these things, and why is there NOT enough discipline to ensure this does not happen. there is something fundamentally wrong with mentality. I do however think that last year was Man Utd on an upwards trend, YES it is not "title" they are hunting, but they were top 4..
And Chelsea made a BIG mistake, firering Tuchel, i think throwing ETH out would be the same, you have to let him build.. although i do think Tottenham made a WAY more throught through coach choice than Man Utd.