Does football need a radical rule change?

We need a solution to faking injuries whether its the players or a Turkish manager ;)

Pretending to be shot when lightly brushed by an opponent. Then after the free kick is given and they're up and about with no injury then that "injured" player must be made to leave the field 10 or 15 minutes.
Or some similar version that will punish fake injuries.
 
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Possession is boring because the side without the ball doesn't commit enough players to grab the ball off the keeper or defenders. We don't need a rule to make it easier for them. If you want the ball, go get it!
Disagree to be honest. That's what they want you to do.

Look at city, if you over commit they then go long and usually punish you.
 
Dribbling the ball right up to the corner flag and keeping it there in a delibrate attempt to waste time should result in a freekick to the other side and a yellow card for time wasting.
Time wasting in water polo typically happens near then end of a game when one team has a lead and they want to use the entire shot clock for that possession without risk of turning the ball over. There are a few rules that can be used to address this (but often aren't applied). Obvioulsy as water polo is a possesion based game with a time clock the rules aren't directly comparable but ...

1) The ball must be advanced from the back/goalie at the beginning of a possession to over half way in a "reasonable" time (usually 10-15 seconds) and failure to do so will be penalised with a turnover.
2) General time wasting by passing the ball around with the obvious intent of not attacking and or holding the ball etc (typically to let the sot clock run down when defending a lead at the end of a game) can result in the referee awarding a turnover for unsporting conduct.
 
The obvious thing is to increase the size of the goal from 7.32m to maybe 7.6m, maybe make the bar 10cms higher at the same time. players are just more physically capable than 150 years ago when the goal size was developed. Same thing needs to be done in basketball, raise the basket by 30cms.
 
1) Get rid of penalties.
2) Two half of 30 mins with a stop clock.
3) 10 mins off field for professional foul and make it three yellow for a red.
 
When you see on your television screen a blue line and the forward player doesn't even have a shoelace that has strayed beyond the last body part of the defender, are not in the least bit concerned in the abuse of the offside rule?

Not at all, since catching a forward offside is part of defending. It involves risk and it's a choice for the defender. If it's a high line, especially, i want the "courageous" defence to be rewarded more than i want the attacker to have all the available privileges in his favour. In any case, there's no need for drastic changes there. We get more goals across Europe nowadays than we ever did in our lifetime. It's redundant.
 
Find a way to incentivise more goals. Currently goal difference is the only benefit and it rarely matters. Perhaps even awarding league points for goals. Something like a point if you score 2 goals. 2 points if you score 4 or more.

You could end up. With 4 or 5 points for a win, and even if you lose you could end up with a point or 2.

Wouldn't help with knockout football though.
 
Disagree to be honest. That's what they want you to do.

Look at city, if you over commit they then go long and usually punish you.

Or you capitalize on their mistakes and put them away quickly! High risk high reward.

I don't blame teams for deciding to let City and other top teams keep possession but I'm not going to support a rule that rewards their caution :D
 
The 18yard line of the box should extend to the width of the pitch. If your past that line in an offside position, your offside. None of this not interfering with play crap. If your in the final 3rd your interfering imo.
 
Automatic offsides. Based on sensors in a belt or vest so its the body not extremities that are measured.
 
Feigning injury means the player you are slandering gets to actually injure you.
 
The most unfair part of football is that some games have much less minutes of ball in play than others. Specifically in South America.

I propose a very simple fix to this that doesn't require a stopwatch, cause that requires a clock managing team, not every tournament can do this. What I would do is just have a reference table that is enforced automatically, for instance if at 90 minutes the game had 50 minutes of ball in play, there is an automatic injury time of X minutes. If 51, have X-1 etc etc. This way you remove the subjectivity and cheating that the referee can do. "But there is still dead ball situations in injury time". Yes this is the only part that would require referee subjectivity perhaps, he still adds time for every wasted time during injury time. Again, countless times I feel cheated in South America cause the referee adds 4 minutes when it should be 9, 10 minutes at least.
 
1) Once the whistle goes, everyone freezes. Will stop the 'tactical' foul nonsense
2) Throw ins, goal kicks, corners etc need to be taken within x amount of time. Obviously longer or shorter depending on whats happening. It will stop time wasting and be more exciting as it will not give teams ages to set.
3) Extra point for the most entertaining team. This wont be subjective but calculated i.e shots on target but not actual goals. This would mean a team parking the bus and sneaking a goal wont get it or a winning team wont automatically get it.. It should also emphasize skills like nutmegs, rainbow flicks etc. This removal of all skill from the game and everything being sanitized and robotic needs to end. If its a boring 0-0 then we might see a team trying flicks and nutmegs in the last 10 mins to try and get a point.
4) Extra time is half pitch 6 a side
 
Another very simple fix is referees not having to write down the booking like its 1950. Countless times a team cynically kills a counter attack, and when the opposing team tries to take it quick to continue the attack, the referee blows it dead, annoying the team and fans even more, because he has to get his pen and write something down. Just have the 4th official remember it and provide it later.
 
Giving a man advantage for 2-5 minutes for all yellow card fouls might stop some of the tactical fouls that slow the game down.
 
In 1992 the back pass rule was introduced. The aim was to make football more entertaining by getting rid of time wasting and boring passing exchanges between the goalkeeper and his defenders.

For a decade or two after that it had the desired effect. The game seemed faster and more helter shelter. More recently keepers are as comfortable on the ball as most defenders and teams are happy to knock the ball around at the back and wait for something to happen. Football has become less entertaining to watch. Undoing a lot of the good work of the back pass rule.

Are we overdue another radical rule change? If so, what should it be?

My personal preference. Get rid of offside.
I think, the game is ready to be injected with some new impulses, I agree. I wouldn't get rid of offside though as it opens up a certain high risk high reward option for defenders which I think is a good thing. I like your suggestions though from the field hockey post. It brings to mind though, that players have to have a say in all that as well. The game is pretty intense as it is (even though it doesn't seem when you only watch United) but adding more factors that increase intensity without clearing the schedule might end up with way more injuries. More subs would be an option, but I think, if more bigger/broader squads would be a big advantage, it will end up benefitting the rich teams way more than the "normal" ones, who cannot afford big squads.

Overall, it will be interesting to see how things go. I struggle to come to a conclusion of how much change energy there is, I feel, a lot of the "older fans" would rather go traditional with minor changes, while younger ones might be interested in more fundamental change. I belong to the first group I guess, I think the product "football" is just fine as it is, I think, some of the crazy money should be pulled out of it to make it a little more pure but I certainly wouldn't go forcing changes on tactics. I think, in football, there isn't one perfect tactic, its pro and con, everything has a counter, I think the issue is rather the very different financial capabilities.
Offside rule should be that if any part of the attacker's body is level then he is onside.
Would instantly sign that.
Matches should also be 60 minutes with the clock being stopped whenever the ball is dead.
Agree with the stop clock, don't agree with the 60minutes. I see the need to take some intensity away from the players but taking game time away isn't the way in my eyes.

Penalties should only be awarded for incidents that either denied a goal or a clear goalscoring opputunity.

Dribbling the ball right up to the corner flag and keeping it there in a delibrate attempt to waste time should result in a freekick to the other side and a yellow card for time wasting.

No subs should be allowed in stoppage time.

Any game that ends with the scores level should go to a penalty shootout
Apart from the last, I think those are very good ideas.

A draw is a draw, penalties are too much lottery for my liking, there is no need to force a winner.

3) 10 mins off field for professional foul and make it three yellow for a red.
I think introducing something between yellow and red card is definitely a good idea.

Find a way to incentivise more goals. Currently goal difference is the only benefit and it rarely matters. Perhaps even awarding league points for goals. Something like a point if you score 2 goals. 2 points if you score 4 or more.

You could end up. With 4 or 5 points for a win, and even if you lose you could end up with a point or 2.

Wouldn't help with knockout football though.
Interesting idea, but I guess, it would incentivice the bigger squads as they have it easier to sub in fresh attackers. Plus I don't know but I always felt there was a bit of a silent agreement to prevent unnecessary humiliation, wasn't there? I'd definitely explore the idea but I probably wouldn't go for extra points for each goal, but maybe an extra points for two goals scored in both halves or something along those lines. To make it rewarding without getting crazy with it.
 
The most unfair part of football is that some games have much less minutes of ball in play than others. Specifically in South America.

I propose a very simple fix to this that doesn't require a stopwatch, cause that requires a clock managing team, not every tournament can do this. What I would do is just have a reference table that is enforced automatically, for instance if at 90 minutes the game had 50 minutes of ball in play, there is an automatic injury time of X minutes. If 51, have X-1 etc etc. This way you remove the subjectivity and cheating that the referee can do. "But there is still dead ball situations in injury time". Yes this is the only part that would require referee subjectivity perhaps, he still adds time for every wasted time during injury time. Again, countless times I feel cheated in South America cause the referee adds 4 minutes when it should be 9, 10 minutes at least.
Too over complicated, a stop clock, when the ball is out of play or stopped for a free kick/goal kick or injury eliminates all additional time - you get 60 mins or whatever the number is of actuall ball in play not someone guessing
 
Automatic offsides. Based on sensors in a belt or vest so its the body not extremities that are measured.

I think this will end up being the way. Centre of the chest (solar plexus).

There will be inevitable issues I'd guess, but they will have to be sucked up. I'm thinking defensive sliding tackles/ the attacker sliding into toe-poke the ball into the net. With the centre of their chest being 4 or 5 feet from the body part actually playing the ball.
 
In 1992 the back pass rule was introduced. The aim was to make football more entertaining by getting rid of time wasting and boring passing exchanges between the goalkeeper and his defenders.

For a decade or two after that it had the desired effect. The game seemed faster and more helter shelter. More recently keepers are as comfortable on the ball as most defenders and teams are happy to knock the ball around at the back and wait for something to happen. Football has become less entertaining to watch. Undoing a lot of the good work of the back pass rule.

Are we overdue another radical rule change? If so, what should it be?

My personal preference. Get rid of offside.
There’s a backcourt violation in basketball, where the team has to advance the ball into the oppositions half in 8 seconds. You could have a similar one in football…..20/30 seconds to get the ball into the oppositions half. It would stop all the fecking about at the back
 
The new back pass rule... You can't pass backwards in your own half.
 
Cointoss: Whoever wins the cointoss chooses which one of the opposing teams player to substiute off. The player is out of the game and cant be subbed on.

VAR: Reduced to coaches challenge. Alterantively only look at offside or foul related to the scoring player. I cant take it anymore with the backtracking of "situations prior to goal".

Embellishment: 5 minute penalty on the sideline. Enough with the divers and incredibly injured players who miraculously hop back up after a few moments in pure agony.

Dividends can only be paid out to shareholders in case of securing a trophy.
 
Ban heading. It's not worth the brain injuries. You could start by banning heading outside the box.

Also, get rid of throw-ins. Just make them like free kicks or corners.
 
Automated VAR is all that's needed. Goals and offsides. Rest can be done with refs on the pitch. Could have 2 or 3 refs on the pitch at once and remove the linesman if technology can handle offsides.

Refs need to grow some balls. Game is controlled by players. Time wasting, feigning injuries, diving, stealing meters on every throw in and set piece. Players are constantly making a mockery of the refs and they just take it.
 
Not at all, since catching a forward offside is part of defending. It involves risk and it's a choice for the defender. If it's a high line, especially, i want the "courageous" defence to be rewarded more than i want the attacker to have all the available privileges in his favour. In any case, there's no need for drastic changes there. We get more goals across Europe nowadays than we ever did in our lifetime. It's redundant.

Fair enough, but I suppose what I'm getting at is that more than a few off these "offside" calls are really hard to see actually being an offside offense.


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Although I was delighted that the Coventry player was called offside (although in a perverse way it cost us dearly as it ultimately meant an extension of ETH's contract, which was disastrous for United) it cannot be argued that the Coventry played enjoyed any kind of unfair advantage against the United back line. If it was a good offside call, and the best angle possible shows AWB's foot played the Coventry player onside, it was a good call by no greater the width of a shoelace.

The offside rule has perverted the notion of an unfair advantage when a forward's foot is shown to be online with a defender's foot. AWB got lucky when offside was called. If it were another day with another set of referees, it would have been called onside. The arbitrary application of the rule, intended to prevent poaching, needs to come to an end.
 
Fair enough, but I suppose what I'm getting at is that more than a few off these "offside" calls are really hard to see actually being an offside offense.


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Although I was delighted that the Coventry player was called offside (although in a perverse way it cost us dearly as it ultimately meant an extension of ETH's contract, which was disastrous for United) it cannot be argued that the Coventry played enjoyed any kind of unfair advantage against the United back line. If it was a good offside call, and the best angle possible shows AWB's foot played the Coventry player onside, it was a good call by no greater the width of a shoelace.

The offside rule has perverted the notion of an unfair advantage when a forward's foot is shown to be online with a defender's foot. AWB got lucky when offside was called. If it were another day with another set of referees, it would have been called onside. The arbitrary application of the rule, intended to prevent poaching, needs to come to an end.

The main problem with the new tech it's that in some ocasions they go against the spirit of the game. For instance for years if a player looked that could have been offisde, yet it wasn't conclusive, the rule compel the ref to not call it, in order to not end in plays like the one posted.
 
The most pressing change needed in football is to get rid of VAR.
 
Fair enough, but I suppose what I'm getting at is that more than a few off these "offside" calls are really hard to see actually being an offside offense.


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Although I was delighted that the Coventry player was called offside (although in a perverse way it cost us dearly as it ultimately meant an extension of ETH's contract, which was disastrous for United) it cannot be argued that the Coventry played enjoyed any kind of unfair advantage against the United back line. If it was a good offside call, and the best angle possible shows AWB's foot played the Coventry player onside, it was a good call by no greater the width of a shoelace.

The offside rule has perverted the notion of an unfair advantage when a forward's foot is shown to be online with a defender's foot. AWB got lucky when offside was called. If it were another day with another set of referees, it would have been called onside. The arbitrary application of the rule, intended to prevent poaching, needs to come to an end.

I hear you, but i'll repeat what i've always said. The so called unfair advantage exists only in the minds of some fans (most of them don't like VAR, that's their issue). It's a simple rule, and in a game chaotic by nature like football, it's the only rule that sets specific parameters about how the game is played. No shot clock, no time limit to pass the halfway line, nothing... Only the offside rule. You scrap that, and what you get is another game, not football. It's not about any advantage, the way teams play revolves around that single rule. It allows the attacker to be level with the last defender and just asks of him to check his run. How much more of an advantage does he need?
 
The most pressing change needed in football is to get rid of VAR.

I feel like everyone saying this has forgotten how frustrating it could be before though. Violent players getting away with giving someone a whack behind the ref’s back. A player very obviously diving after zero contact and getting a penalty. An incorrect offside decision changing the course of a Champs League semifinal or a title race. People absolutely hated it.
 
Kick ins rather than throw ins would change the game a great deal.

Should make it a lot faster.

Not saying it’s a good idea, but one that’s in line with the OP, rather than a little tweak.
 
I hear you, but i'll repeat what i've always said. The so called unfair advantage exists only in the minds of some fans (most of them don't like VAR, that's their issue). It's a simple rule, and in a game chaotic by nature like football, it's the only rule that sets specific parameters about how the game is played. No shot clock, no time limit to pass the halfway line, nothing... Only the offside rule. You scrap that, and what you get is another game, not football. It's not about any advantage, the way teams play revolves around that single rule. It allows the attacker to be level with the last defender and just asks of him to check his run. How much more of an advantage does he need?

There are other specific parameters in football, such as whether the whole of the ball did or did not cross the goal line between the posts...or any line. There's another rule, although I haven't seen it enforced lately, which is that if at any point in time the last phase of play the ball touched the hand or arm of an attacking player, regardless of whether it was "deliberate", a goal may not be scored. An illegal back pass to the keeper is pretty straightforward to enforce and I think a fantastic rule. Other examples? How about the requirement that a player who takes any free kick may not touch the ball twice. How about a keeper not being allowed to use his hands or arm outside the box. The ball must be placed on the quadrant in the event of a free kick. The rule against spitting at an opponent is defined by specific parameters -- spitting and where the spit is directed. You may spit at the turf, but you may not under any circumstances spit any other player, not even your teammate. A player, nor manager, may not push or make any physically aggressive contact with any of the officials. It's an obscure rule and I've only seen it enforced once, but a player may not leave the field of play unless expressly authorized to do so by the referee. I'm sure I can come up with another half dozen examples of specific parameters concerning how the game is played.

In other words, the offside rule is hardly the only rule that sets specific parameters about how the game is played.

With that behind us, I will grant that any new definition as to what constitutes offside will yield absurdities such as the offside call against Coventry. When you look at that photo closely, the most you can see as offside is the knuckle on the left pinky toe of the Coventry player. If I were to define this in percentages of body weight, at least 99.9% of the Coventry player was onside, assuming that his lefty pinky toe knuckle weighs half an ounce. But did he really gain anything remotely like an unfair advantage over United despite the fact that AWB had him in full view and that he was offside, if it all, by less than a quarter inch? I don't think so.

Where you really have me at a disadvantage is the impossibility of perfect clarity with any other alternative. The next best idea is the daylight idea, which holds that if there is observable daylight between the forward and the defender then and only then would the forward be offside. For example, if the knuckle of the left pinky toe extends beyond the blue line of the last defender, he's onside. But if he's half a body length behind the defender and you can see, actually see, green turf, between the front half of the defender and the back half of the defender, offside. This can work, and it would vastly improve the game from the remorselessly tactical shit we've been seeing the last few years, but it would not be a perfect solution to the problem of absurd offside calls.
 
There are other specific parameters in football, such as whether the whole of the ball did or did not cross the goal line between the posts...or any line. There's another rule, although I haven't seen it enforced lately, which is that if at any point in time the last phase of play the ball touched the hand or arm of an attacking player, regardless of whether it was "deliberate", a goal may not be scored. An illegal back pass to the keeper is pretty straightforward to enforce and I think a fantastic rule. Other examples? How about the requirement that a player who takes any free kick may not touch the ball twice. How about a keeper not being allowed to use his hands or arm outside the box. The ball must be placed on the quadrant in the event of a free kick. The rule against spitting at an opponent is defined by specific parameters -- spitting and where the spit is directed. You may spit at the turf, but you may not under any circumstances spit any other player, not even your teammate. A player, nor manager, may not push or make any physically aggressive contact with any of the officials. It's an obscure rule and I've only seen it enforced once, but a player may not leave the field of play unless expressly authorized to do so by the referee. I'm sure I can come up with another half dozen examples of specific parameters concerning how the game is played.

In other words, the offside rule is hardly the only rule that sets specific parameters about how the game is played.

With that behind us, I will grant that any new definition as to what constitutes offside will yield absurdities such as the offside call against Coventry. When you look at that photo closely, the most you can see as offside is the knuckle on the left pinky toe of the Coventry player. If I were to define this in percentages of body weight, at least 99.9% of the Coventry player was onside, assuming that his lefty pinky toe knuckle weighs half an ounce. But did he really gain anything remotely like an unfair advantage over United despite the fact that AWB had him in full view and that he was offside, if it all, by less than a quarter inch? I don't think so.

Where you really have me at a disadvantage is the impossibility of perfect clarity with any other alternative. The next best idea is the daylight idea, which holds that if there is observable daylight between the forward and the defender then and only then would the forward be offside. For example, if the knuckle of the left pinky toe extends beyond the blue line of the last defender, he's onside. But if he's half a body length behind the defender and you can see, actually see, green turf, between the front half of the defender and the back half of the defender, offside. This can work, and it would vastly improve the game from the remorselessly tactical shit we've been seeing the last few years, but it would not be a perfect solution to the problem of absurd offside calls.

It is the only rule that affects the tactics and how the managers set their teams to play. It's an integral part of the game we call football.

You and others may think that the situation you describe is unfair. I don't. It's the rules of the game . No part of the body with which a goal can be scored can be behind the last defender. Whether it's by a mile or a millimetre is irrelevant.

As i said, it doesn't bother me because i don't mind the defence having something in their favour. The offsise rule has already be changed enough, from favouring the defences to giving most of the advantages to the attacker. I believe that any further attempted change will achieve nothing but open a can of worms that will change the game drastically.
 
It'll never happen in a million years but I'd love to see a rule where a minimum number of homegrown players have to start, and a limitation on number of transfers per window. There were only 2 manchester born players playing in the derby on Sunday, which could attribute to the reason people are branding the game boring and lacking passion. Probably sound like a dinosaur but something I'd get behind. Could also stop clubs getting into debt and bring silly fees and wages down.
 
It is the only rule that affects the tactics and how the managers set their teams to play. It's an integral part of the game we call football.

You and others may think that the situation you describe is unfair. I don't. It's the rules of the game . No part of the body with which a goal can be scored can be behind the last defender. Whether it's by a mile or a millimetre is irrelevant.

As i said, it doesn't bother me because i don't mind the defence having something in their favour. The offsise rule has already be changed enough, from favouring the defences to giving most of the advantages to the attacker. I believe that any further attempted change will achieve nothing but open a can of worms that will change the game drastically.

In 1990 you could have said something similar about an under pressure defender being able to pass the ball backwards for his goalkeeper to pick up.